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Words worthy of being written in gold!!!
Moving to muslim countries
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Words worthy of being written in gold!!!
IslamicPearl
Junior Member
Salam aleikum
Yeah she's right. I am borned in christian country and we studied little at school etc but everyone is doing it coz evryone else does it. There are many traditions related to funeral, marriage and others which differe form region to region or from family to family and they do it coz thats how its done, not asking 'why are we doing this ?'.
And ok they say bad things on tv bout muslims, but then why dont they consider other religion see what it says. Its too bad that people follow the religion of their country and do not make their own research (thankGod latelly internet has helped many of us
). The point is that it is a shame for those borned in muslims countries or muslim families even from nonmuslims countries coz they follow it as they have to do it and do not put soul into their believes (im not generalising). Many new muslims practice islam more deep.
May allah guide us all.
Yeah she's right. I am borned in christian country and we studied little at school etc but everyone is doing it coz evryone else does it. There are many traditions related to funeral, marriage and others which differe form region to region or from family to family and they do it coz thats how its done, not asking 'why are we doing this ?'.
And ok they say bad things on tv bout muslims, but then why dont they consider other religion see what it says. Its too bad that people follow the religion of their country and do not make their own research (thankGod latelly internet has helped many of us
). The point is that it is a shame for those borned in muslims countries or muslim families even from nonmuslims countries coz they follow it as they have to do it and do not put soul into their believes (im not generalising). Many new muslims practice islam more deep.May allah guide us all.
Globalpeace
Banned
Asslamo Allaikum,
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Living in Muslim countries poses a whole different set of problems e.g.:
1) Born Muslim moving to a Muslim country (even here there are 2 classes i.e. moving to a country of their ancestors or moving to a country where they are foreigners)
2) Reverts
3) Mixed race couples: Reverts married to Born-Muslims (Here there are 2 classes i.e. moving to a country of the ancestors of 1 of the partners or moving to a country where they are both foreigners)
I find that a lot of people have the wrong take on things and have a rather utopian view of life (Novel, carefree) & statistics prove my understanding because most people end up returning to the West
As someone who is very interested in this subject and travel a lot; I will leave it at that...
**********SELF CENSORED****************
Living in Muslim countries poses a whole different set of problems e.g.:
1) Born Muslim moving to a Muslim country (even here there are 2 classes i.e. moving to a country of their ancestors or moving to a country where they are foreigners)
2) Reverts
3) Mixed race couples: Reverts married to Born-Muslims (Here there are 2 classes i.e. moving to a country of the ancestors of 1 of the partners or moving to a country where they are both foreigners)
I find that a lot of people have the wrong take on things and have a rather utopian view of life (Novel, carefree) & statistics prove my understanding because most people end up returning to the West
As someone who is very interested in this subject and travel a lot; I will leave it at that...
Conditions of it being permissible to settle in kaafir countries
Question:
What are the conditions of it being permissible to settle in kaafir countries?
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
The scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) forbade settling in or going to countries where a Muslim is not able to practise his religion openly. The one who goes there to study, do business, or earn money, and those who are resident there all come under the same rulings and there is no difference between them. The rulings concerning all of them are the same as the rulings concerning those who are resident there, and there is no difference, if they are unable to practise their religion openly, and they are able to migrate from there.
Claiming to hate the kuffaar whilst living among them is not enough. It is haraam to travel to them and settle among them for a number of reasons, including the following:
1- Practising the religion openly and in such a way that a person frees himself from any blame is very difficult and is not happening.
2- The statements of the scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) clearly indicate that the person who does not know his religion with proof and evidence, and is not able to defend it and refute the specious arguments of the kaafireen, is not permitted to travel to their lands.
3- One of the conditions of travelling to their lands is that a person should be sure that he will not be subjected to fitnah (confusion or temptation) by the means of their force, authorities, specious arguments and temptations, and he should be sure that he will not imitate them or be influenced by what they do.
Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi’ah li Samaahat al-Shaykh al-‘Allaamah ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him). Vol. 9, p.43
Question:
What are the conditions of it being permissible to settle in kaafir countries?
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
The scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) forbade settling in or going to countries where a Muslim is not able to practise his religion openly. The one who goes there to study, do business, or earn money, and those who are resident there all come under the same rulings and there is no difference between them. The rulings concerning all of them are the same as the rulings concerning those who are resident there, and there is no difference, if they are unable to practise their religion openly, and they are able to migrate from there.
Claiming to hate the kuffaar whilst living among them is not enough. It is haraam to travel to them and settle among them for a number of reasons, including the following:
1- Practising the religion openly and in such a way that a person frees himself from any blame is very difficult and is not happening.
2- The statements of the scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) clearly indicate that the person who does not know his religion with proof and evidence, and is not able to defend it and refute the specious arguments of the kaafireen, is not permitted to travel to their lands.
3- One of the conditions of travelling to their lands is that a person should be sure that he will not be subjected to fitnah (confusion or temptation) by the means of their force, authorities, specious arguments and temptations, and he should be sure that he will not imitate them or be influenced by what they do.
Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi’ah li Samaahat al-Shaykh al-‘Allaamah ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him). Vol. 9, p.43
Globalpeace
Banned
Asslamo Allaikum,
"Practise their religion?" Does this mean acts of worship like prayer, fasting?
Because you can't even practise religion in a Muslim country these days...Travelling/living through Saudi Arabia it is abunduntly clear
"Practise their religion?" Does this mean acts of worship like prayer, fasting?
Because you can't even practise religion in a Muslim country these days...Travelling/living through Saudi Arabia it is abunduntly clear
moving
Salam Ailykum Brothers and sister I would like somebody to give a opinion of my situation: My name is Mari I'm being a muslim since 5 years ago, Now I'm marry to a muslim morrocan man, and our dream is to move to a islamic country, he wants to move back to morrocco and I Would like to move with him too, but the problem is that my family they don't want me to move to morrocco with him They dont agree with me" please tell me what I should do in this situation??
Salam Ailykum Brothers and sister I would like somebody to give a opinion of my situation: My name is Mari I'm being a muslim since 5 years ago, Now I'm marry to a muslim morrocan man, and our dream is to move to a islamic country, he wants to move back to morrocco and I Would like to move with him too, but the problem is that my family they don't want me to move to morrocco with him They dont agree with me" please tell me what I should do in this situation??
NewMuslim
Slave of Allah
Walaykum Salaam wa rahmatullah wa barakallah sister mari
I say that you should try to reason with your parents. Tell them why it's good that you move to Morocco and such. Tell them your wishes, and ask them if they agree with you.
Make Du'a to Allah asking Him to help your parents understand your situation and agree with you. If your parents still don't agree with you, then you should make Du'a to Allah asking Him what is the right thing for you to do.
Why do you want to move to Morocco? Think that to yourself, and answer it. If the answer is because you will benefit like nowhere else spiritually, then move there even if your parents don't agree (for it is important for you to benefit spiritually). However, if it's because your husband wants you to go there, then ask him why he wants to go.
If it's because Morocco is his home country or where his family lives or where he'll benefit spiritually, then you should go with him.
Like I said, make Du'a to Allah and reason with your parents! May Allah help you in your situation.
I say that you should try to reason with your parents. Tell them why it's good that you move to Morocco and such. Tell them your wishes, and ask them if they agree with you.
Make Du'a to Allah asking Him to help your parents understand your situation and agree with you. If your parents still don't agree with you, then you should make Du'a to Allah asking Him what is the right thing for you to do.
Why do you want to move to Morocco? Think that to yourself, and answer it. If the answer is because you will benefit like nowhere else spiritually, then move there even if your parents don't agree (for it is important for you to benefit spiritually). However, if it's because your husband wants you to go there, then ask him why he wants to go.
If it's because Morocco is his home country or where his family lives or where he'll benefit spiritually, then you should go with him.
Like I said, make Du'a to Allah and reason with your parents! May Allah help you in your situation.
Globalpeace
Banned
Your "Personal" decision
Asslamo Allaikum Sister,
When you are married then you and your husband should decide about your life.
If you and your husband agree to moving then move
If you and your husband don't agree to moving then don't move
Please tell your parents politely that it is your life and you have the right to live it as you like.
Asslamo Allaikum Sister,
When you are married then you and your husband should decide about your life.
If you and your husband agree to moving then move
If you and your husband don't agree to moving then don't move
Please tell your parents politely that it is your life and you have the right to live it as you like.
Globalpeace
Banned
Asslamo Allaikum Sister,
Sri Lanks is a beautiful country & you are indeed lucky; but you must NOT be a Tamil Muslim?
Because their situation is horrendous.
Sri Lanks is a beautiful country & you are indeed lucky; but you must NOT be a Tamil Muslim?
Because their situation is horrendous.
American Muslim
Just Another Slave
A question to Muslim brothers and sisters residing in AMERICA:
" DO MUSLIMS HAVE LOTS OF FREEDOM THERE?"
Because I have heard many times that Muslims are free there.
Well, there's freedom and then there is freedom. No one will say that it is bad to go to the masjid, or wear hijab. But it is really hard for most Muslims to take off in the middle of a Friday to go to prayers.
In most places, you do get strange looks if you are wearing humble clothes. But in most of the major metropolitan areas it is not a problem. I saw Dearborne MI mentioned earlier. Yeah, some of us call it Dearbornistan lol !
Here in my home city, there are thousands and thousands of Muslims. But it is not really an ummah utopia either. The Arabs mainly stay to their own, Pakistanis with Pakistanis, et al. I will tell you that much of the discrimination here is subtle and under the table. For example, if your name is Muhammad you're much more likely to have your bags searched at the airport than if your name is John.
" DO MUSLIMS HAVE LOTS OF FREEDOM THERE?"
Because I have heard many times that Muslims are free there.
Well, there's freedom and then there is freedom. No one will say that it is bad to go to the masjid, or wear hijab. But it is really hard for most Muslims to take off in the middle of a Friday to go to prayers.
In most places, you do get strange looks if you are wearing humble clothes. But in most of the major metropolitan areas it is not a problem. I saw Dearborne MI mentioned earlier. Yeah, some of us call it Dearbornistan lol !
Here in my home city, there are thousands and thousands of Muslims. But it is not really an ummah utopia either. The Arabs mainly stay to their own, Pakistanis with Pakistanis, et al. I will tell you that much of the discrimination here is subtle and under the table. For example, if your name is Muhammad you're much more likely to have your bags searched at the airport than if your name is John.
Globalpeace
Banned
Difference between "Religion" & "Deen"
Asslamo Allaikum,
In my humble opinion there are lots of Brothers/Sisters who may not be clear about the differences between “Religion” & “Deen”.
Allah (SWT) refers to Islam as “Deen” which is sometimes wrongly translated in English as religion.
A religion generally has following characteristics:
• Someone to worship (Allah in case of Islam)
• How to worship that someone (Follow Sunnah in case of Islam)
• Social Customs (Eid, Aqeeqah, weddings, Walima in case of Islam)
So according to this definition Islam is a religion and in most places where the Brothers/Sisters are living, you are free to practise this Islam.
However as I have said that Islam is NOT a religion, it’s a “Deen” which is a way of life, now a way of life has 4 additional things which are collective:
• An Executive System (Khilafa in case of Islam; most countries in the world are democratic)
• A Judicial System (Laws are based on Qur’aan or Sunnah, laws in most of the world is based on a voting system, if majority votes for a man to marry a man then that’s the law)
• A Financial System: I am going to try to put in context for Brothers/Sister here. Socialism has borrowed the Muslim ideals about helping the less fortunate in society (as commonly admitted by law makers in England) & Capitalism has borrowed “Free Market economy” of Islam (as admitted by Ralph Nader & others)….But Islam believes in NO Interest, Usury or selling of items before they are in someone’s possession (diametrically opposed to today’s banking system & stock market)
• A Collective Social System: (In Islam how you marry, how you divorce, child custody, child support etc; these laws again in most countries are based on democratic voting i.e. if a woman goes to a court & gets a divorce then she is divorced & free to marry or what-ever in direct contradiction to Islam).
Islam is a SYSTEM of Allah (SWT) & it cannot co-exist with another system i.e. democracy, socialism, capitalism or communism because Allah (SWT)’s law must be implemented.
All those who think that they are “free” to practise Islam are taking Islam in the sense of a religion (see definition above); but right now in 2007 Islam as a ”Deen” doesn’t exist anywhere & no one is free to implement or practise it.
P.S: This forum is not the right place to get into a discussion about it.
P.P.S: I am NOT describing Political Islam (because that is the term used by the Kuffar)...I am describing Islam of Allah & His Rasul (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam)
Asslamo Allaikum,
In my humble opinion there are lots of Brothers/Sisters who may not be clear about the differences between “Religion” & “Deen”.
Allah (SWT) refers to Islam as “Deen” which is sometimes wrongly translated in English as religion.
A religion generally has following characteristics:
• Someone to worship (Allah in case of Islam)
• How to worship that someone (Follow Sunnah in case of Islam)
• Social Customs (Eid, Aqeeqah, weddings, Walima in case of Islam)
So according to this definition Islam is a religion and in most places where the Brothers/Sisters are living, you are free to practise this Islam.
However as I have said that Islam is NOT a religion, it’s a “Deen” which is a way of life, now a way of life has 4 additional things which are collective:
• An Executive System (Khilafa in case of Islam; most countries in the world are democratic)
• A Judicial System (Laws are based on Qur’aan or Sunnah, laws in most of the world is based on a voting system, if majority votes for a man to marry a man then that’s the law)
• A Financial System: I am going to try to put in context for Brothers/Sister here. Socialism has borrowed the Muslim ideals about helping the less fortunate in society (as commonly admitted by law makers in England) & Capitalism has borrowed “Free Market economy” of Islam (as admitted by Ralph Nader & others)….But Islam believes in NO Interest, Usury or selling of items before they are in someone’s possession (diametrically opposed to today’s banking system & stock market)
• A Collective Social System: (In Islam how you marry, how you divorce, child custody, child support etc; these laws again in most countries are based on democratic voting i.e. if a woman goes to a court & gets a divorce then she is divorced & free to marry or what-ever in direct contradiction to Islam).
Islam is a SYSTEM of Allah (SWT) & it cannot co-exist with another system i.e. democracy, socialism, capitalism or communism because Allah (SWT)’s law must be implemented.
All those who think that they are “free” to practise Islam are taking Islam in the sense of a religion (see definition above); but right now in 2007 Islam as a ”Deen” doesn’t exist anywhere & no one is free to implement or practise it.
P.S: This forum is not the right place to get into a discussion about it.
P.P.S: I am NOT describing Political Islam (because that is the term used by the Kuffar)...I am describing Islam of Allah & His Rasul (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam)