Niqaab/Beard Dissapearance?

[aisha16]

Saalam


Just a topic I wanted to discuss with you brothers and sisters.


Why the need to shave your beard or throw away your niqaab or hijab?
Are the Kuffar more important to you then Allah and following your deen?

I would like to discuss this issue Insha'Allah.

........MA SAALAM

 

[aisha16]

I speak to myself first. I'm not a brother so the whole beard growing doesn't involve me. I'm not trying to dissrepect against any of the brothers or sisters who this involvves or anything. I just want to see your opinion.

Well insha'Allah i'll be off now. ma saalam

 

[jabba]

plz not again

Saalam


Just a topic I wanted to discuss with you brothers and sisters.


Why the need to shave your beard or throw away your niqaab or hijab?
Are the Kuffar more important to you then Allah and following your deen?

I would like to discuss this issue Insha'Allah.

........MA SAALAM

:salam2:
I've already said this many times. Who are you to judge the reason why someone does not have a beard or wear the hijab. People automatically think "the Kuffar" are involved in some way.....thats just ignorance. There are so many reasons, I cannot name them all. A hijab/niqab or a beard does not necessarily equate to someones piety. My husband for example has a beard today but last week he had a goatee and who knows maybe next time he'll be fully shaven, that does not mean he is a bad Muslim when he's fully shaven or a better Muslim with the beard. We have to get over this whole issue, it's been talked about so many times I think I might just go crazy. JUST BECAUSE YOU LOOK RELIGIOUS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU ARE.A hjiab ect with a bad attitude is worse than no hijab ect with the best attitude (ie praying, being kind to people, fasting, volunteering ect)

 

[nyerekareem]

:salam2:

for a while i had only kept a goatee because i was too concerned about my employer being against a full beard. but i didn't care and began growing it. it has definitly helped me associate with more muslims.

here's why:

prior to my growing the beard, i would say salaam to other muslims and never got responses or people would say " your muslim? " it happened all of the time while i wasn't wearing a beard. when i began to wear a beard many people, including those that never returned salaams to me, stopped me and said salaam brother. even people that didn't know me. this all started because i began to wear a beard. people identified me as a muslim. there is a lot of debate on the issue of course, however from my understanding of the issue is that the main reason why we wear the beard is because it serves as our identity of being muslim. something of which that we should be proud of. it is the male form of hijab in many ways. i don't criticize those that don't wear one, because some people do have their reason and only Allah SWT knows why. but life without my beard is unbearable. i have love for my beard.

p.s. i had to cut it off like 2 weeks ago cuz i made a huge mistake while trimming, because it got really long. i felt so terrible, almost like being naked. i felt as if i did the worst thing on earth. i can't wait for it to get back to it's old length.

 

[Saifu deen]

:salam2:

Baraka Allah Feeki sister. I believe that every muslim believes that our prophet (pbuh) had a beautiful beard, and also the companions (ra..all). Therefore, many of us are quite stuck in this matter, by linking the modern society (requirements) with islamic principles. (In general) For example, a brother may shave his beard for finding a job, although he is aware that Allah (SWT) is Al-Razaq and not the employer. Nonethless, he may shave because we are living in a societies that discriminate muslims, and we may find it hard to get a job. ( I personally made this mistake in the past, but repented alhamdullah)..

Don't get me wrong, I am not supporting this idealogy, neither I shave my beard alhamdullah, but it's just what certain brothers are going through. But I would like to compare the sisters situation with the brothers. Therefore, sisters have higher issues with hijab than men in regard to beard. Evidently, they are not able to defend themselves in case of physical attack because of biological disadvantages created by Allah (SWT), but brothers can stand up for themsleves. On the other hand, both the sisters and brothers may face similar disadvantages when it comes to employment. Therefore, I believe that we must follow the Sunnah completly without taking certain part that is beneficial for us, and leave certain parts. Sunnah our prophet (SWT) is a medicine, a way that can bring us closer to Allah (SWT), and a way that we can show our love to Allah (SWT) and our beautiful prophet (pbuh).

We were promised by Allah (SWT), that if we love Allah (SWT) and Sunnah our prophet (pbuh), Allah (SWT) will love us inshallah, and make people love us too. I believe that we are well respected as practicing muslim and muslimah, who comply fully with the teachings of islam (including beard and Hijab), than others... Because a strong believer is better than a weak believer. We all need to improve our way of living at some point to become a stronger believer, but to please Allah (SWT) is the mission of every muslim who love Allah (SWT) or works towards the right path... Subhanallah, in the street of London, I can see more sisters with Hijab (I do lower my gaze), and many brothers with beard, which makes every muslim very happy alhamdullah.

Finally, I believe that that brothers who grow their beard looks very handsome mashallah , and the sisters who wear hijab also look decent my mashallah... (No offense to sisters who don't wear hijab, all my respect to you too )...

I am sorry if I offended anyone at all surly it's not my intentions, and if there is anything wrong that I've said surly it's my mistake and not Islam..

 

[Abdul-Raheem]

:salam2:

Facial hair, yes, 'beard', No but it's by now fault of my own. Give it a few years and inshallah, it'll be another problem solved!
As for this whole topic, what's the point of it? Growing a beard and the wearing of Niqab is all good but by the way you've phrased it, it sounds like you want to condemn people rather than 'discuss' things. Just a thought.......

wasalam

 

[Saifu deen]

:salam2:

Brother nyerekareem inshallah you are doing fine. I hope my post isnt a misunderstood, I wrote my comments before you send your post. I hope you dont think its directed to you inshallah......


To sister Jabba, I think sister aisha 16, meant that why we dont please Allah (SWT) instead of others.. For example, in the past I used to shave my beard to find the job. I thought that I would please the employer, and forgot that Allah (SWT) Al-Razaq. I think I pleased that particular employer and I shaved it for the sake of employment. But right now, I dont shave it for no body....

Inshallah, no need for anyone to be upset upon a comment from a brother or sister immediatly, but our soft and kindness approach can explain or solve any issue that people might disagree on inshallah...

 

[jabba]

To sister Jabba, I think sister aisha 16, meant that why we dont please Allah (SWT) instead of others.. For example, in the past I used to shave my beard to find the job. I thought that I would please the employer, and forgot that Allah (SWT) Al-Razaq. I think I pleased that particular employer and I shaved it for the sake of employment. But right now, I dont shave it for no body....

Salam

I think I understood what this sister was saying and I was simply replying back that thats not always the reason why people don't have a beard or wear the hijab/niqab. Just because it was your reason doesn't make it everyone's reason. See what I'm saying?!

p.s. I'm not trying to give a rude tone

 

[Saifu deen]

:salam2:

I think there is always an appropriate way of replying. Honestly, I dont appreciate the way you wrote. I am not taking sides, but I was trying to stop an approach that may lead to an argument, thats all.

Thankx for your reply...

 

[apocalypse77]

once again muslims ARE SO focussing on all things trivial and all things symbolic that they dont get to see the bigger pocture. Allah wont ask us why were not havig a beard and a niqaab on judment day first.

Angel Gabriel didnt ask Muhammed or teach Muhammed to grow beard or cut pple's hands off. Instead he ask Muhammed to IQRA. It just goes to show u how important education is, regardless if its secular or religious because the Quran is not just some kind of ritualistic rleigious book and it talks abt things liek science and stuffs. I live in a non muslim country, dont tell me Im gonna quit my job just because my boss tells me Ive a beard. To put it simple, most muslims arent pragamatic

I seriously think some muslims still have NO IDEA about their religioun because they keep focussing on all things SYMBOLIC

 

[Saifu deen]

:salam2:

apocalypse77
''I seriously think some muslims still have NO IDEA about their religioun because they keep focussing on all things SYMBOLIC''.

Would prophet (pbuh) be happy if he (pbuh) heard your comment?, if yes, I apologies for the below information, if your answer is no, with respect please read the following info:

I think Alhamdullah many muslims know their religion. Here is my evidence of the reason that I PERSONALLY would quite my job at my own risk if been told to shave my beard: (Thats my personal matter, and I am not advocating anyone to do the same either!!!)

Importance of the Beard in the words of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam):

(1) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "I have no connection iwth one who shaves, shouts and tears his clothing eg. in grief or affication."
- Reported by Abu Darda (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501

(2) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) says: "Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard flow (Grow)."
- Narrated Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 498

(3) "Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) ordered us to trim the moustache closely and spare the beard" says Ibn Umar.
- Muslim, Hadith no. 449

(4) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)said: "Act against contrary to the polythesists, trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."
- Reported by Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 500

(5) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "Trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."
- Reported by Abu Hurairah (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501

(6) (8) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "Anyone who shaves has no claim to the mercy of Allah"
- Reported by Ibn Abbas (R.A.) in Tibrabi

The Beard according to the Great Imams of Jurisprudence

Hanafi

Imam Muhammed (R.A.) writes in his book "Kitabul Aathaar" where he relates from Imam Abu Hanifa (R.A.) who relates from Hadhrat Haytham (R.A.) who relates from Ibn Umar (R.A.) that he (Ibn Umar) used to hold his beard in his hand and cut off which was longer. Imam Muhammed (R.A.) says that this is what we follow and this was the decision of Imam Abu Hanifa. Therefore, according to Hanafies, to shorten the beard less than a FIST LENGTH is HARAAM and on this is IJMA (concensus of opinion).

Shafi'i

Imam Shafi (R.A.) in his Kitabul Umm states, "To shave the beard is HARAAM." (Shari Minhaj dar Shara Fasl Aqueeqa).

Maaliki

Shekh Ahmad Nafarawi Maliki in the commentary of Imam Abu Zayed's booklet states, "to shave the beard is without doubt haraam according to all Imams." It is also mention in "Tamheed" which is a commentary of "Muatta" (Sunnan Imam Malik (R.A.)) that to shave the beard is HARAAM and among males the only ones to resort to this practice (of shaving) are the HERMAPHRODITES (persons who possess both male and female features and characteristics).

Hanbali

The Hanbalies in the famous Al-Khanie'a Hanbali Fatawa Kitab state that "to grow the beard is essential and to shave it is HARAAM." Also in the Hanbali Mathab books "Sharahul Muntahaa" and "Sharr Manzoomatul Aadaab", it is stated "The most accepted view is that it is HARAAM (prohibited to shave the beard)."

I didnt like to discuss this matter, as it was discussed many many times in the past, and I am sure many brothers won't discuss this subject again & again. Neither I am judging anyone, but I guess I have the right to follow the sunnah our prophet (pbuh) as the evidences above clearly indicates the reason. I ''PERSONALLY'' believe that as a muslim that I must take every action ''Authentic Hadieths'' by our prophet (pbuh) ''SERIOUSLY'', and comply with his (pbuh) orders inshallah. Growing a beard is easy to me, and I'll take ajar inshallah, so whats the problem with dat???????.

I would like to copy our prophet (pbuh) in various ways inshallah, I believe I have sufficient knowledge about islam and I thank Allah (SWT). I believe I have no right to judge any muslim by any mean, but I ask Allah (SWT) to give us more knowledge and increase our wisdom, and make us among those who follow Sunnah (pbuh)..

I hope this did not offend anyone..

 

[jabba]

:salam2:

I think there is always an appropriate way of replying. Honestly, I dont appreciate the way you wrote. I am not taking sides, but I was trying to stop an approach that may lead to an argument, thats all.

Thankx for your reply...

:salam2:
You may not agree with me or like how I wrote my response, but that does not mean I'm being rude. I say how I feel and I'm not going to sugarcoat anything just to please someone.

 

[Aliyah206]

(i reall do agree with Apocalypse77,)
&we shouldn't care about what the kafirs think of US, they careless if we shorten ur beards or take of ur niqabs, they'll still treat you the same so u might as well stop worrying and start making them ACCEPT the fact that you're a proud MUSLIM!! whats wrong with us muslims!!!wake up ya iqwatul MUSLIMEEN!!

 

[jabba]

(i reall do agree with Apocalypse77,)
&we shouldn't care about what the kafirs think of US, they careless if we shorten ur beards or take of ur niqabs, they'll still treat you the same so u might as well stop worrying and start making them ACCEPT the fact that you're a proud MUSLIM!! whats wrong with us muslims!!!wake up ya iqwatul MUSLIMEEN!!

:salam2:
If i were at a job wearing my hijab and my boss voiced a dislike for it, I definatley wouldn't quit, infact i'd keep on wearing my hijab and if anymore was said on the issue I'd call the labour board. the more we distance ourselves from non-Mislims the more ignorance will occur. If you are really proud to be Muslim then nothing else should matter
wa salam

 

[Southrn_Muslimah]

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:salam2:

The hijab does interfere with me getting a job, but I really do not care anymore because would I really want to work with people who judge me on appearance. I do not gawk at them when they probably spent 2 hours in the bathroom preparing hair and makeup and all their effort will eventually ware away. That is symbolic to me because they wear a mask and as Muslimahs we are je ne sais quoi more natural...I need a better word. I guess we own what Allah (swt) gave us.

 

[Saifu deen]

:salam2:
You may not agree with me or like how I wrote my response, but that does not mean I'm being rude. I say how I feel and I'm not going to sugarcoat anything just to please someone.

:salam2:

You are right there?, I dont agree with you on how you wrote your response. Of course you can say how you feel, I have the right to agree or disagree, and I am not expecting an apology or anything in the first place.

So khair inshallah.

 

[Saifu deen]

(i reall do agree with Apocalypse77,)
&we shouldn't care about what the kafirs think of US, they careless if we shorten ur beards or take of ur niqabs, they'll still treat you the same so u might as well stop worrying and start making them ACCEPT the fact that you're a proud MUSLIM!! whats wrong with us muslims!!!wake up ya iqwatul MUSLIMEEN!!

:salam2:

I agree with you sister. It is common sense that no one would leave their job, because their employer dislike the beard. Therefore, what I meant regarding leaving my job, is when an individual asked to shave his beard in order to keep their post, or leave the job. At that particular moment I would choose to quite, to show that you are a proud muslim than shaving it.

The reason I dont agree with Apocalypse77, is because he said ''I seriously think some muslims still have NO IDEA about their religioun''...