original quran

uk brother

Junior Member
was the holy quran originally written in arabic?

did prophet muhammed (pbuh) write the quran himself?

i came across this which led me to ask the questions above............

"The original Quran was written by Mohammed's hand. After his departure, a group of his followers gathered his handwritten Quran, and added two verses to the end of chapter 9 in order to honor their prophet. They then copied it and sent it to different communities. Years later, by the will of God, the original Quran was burnt.

The First Qurans were written in North Arabic script. The Arabic script relates directly to the "Nabatian" script, which was derived from Aramaic, 1400 years ago.



Later the marking of vowels or using diacritics were added to the Arabic script for ease of reading, since Arabic text dose not have any vowels. By using diacritics, some characters of Arabic alphabet have been replaced, and at the same time some characters were added to the 28 letters of the Arabic alphabet. Ever since, by the will of God, we have been deprived from the correct spelling of some of the words in the Quran. That is why today we have so many different Arabic Qurans, each with different spellings"
 

muslimah-2k8

Junior Member
PRESERVATION OF QURAN

The Noble Quran was revealed in one language and that is Arabic. It has only one original Arabic copy. Arabic 1400 years ago had 7 dialects. There exists today one original copy of the Noble in Saudi Arabia today. A copy of this original copy also exists in Turkey today as well.

When the Noble Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, it was revealed in Arabic, and in the Quraishi dialect. The Quraishi dialect is the most proper Arabic dialect that properly uses the Arabic words without altering their sound.

The Quraishi dialect was the most popular dialect in the Middle East at that time, and is today the dialect used among Arabs who speak Proper Arabic. The dialect that books teach at schools is also a Quraishi dialect today.

Back in the Middle East 1400 years ago, the Quraishi dialect was not the only one used among Arabs. There existed 6 other dialects along with it, but as I said, it was the most popular.

It is very important in the Islamic faith that when we recite the Noble Quran, we recite it in the Quraishi dialect or what we call today in the proper Arabic. We can't pronounce for instance "th" as "sa" or "za". We can't pronounce "la" as "laman". We can't pronounce "ja" and "ga", etc...

There are no variances or missing parts in the Noble Quran. These are all false and baseless assumptions by some anti-Islamics. The Arabic dialects had problems with each others, and that's why standardizing the Noble Quran with its original Quraishi dialect was essential to keeping it as a perfect Holy Book: For instance, take the letter "j". Did you know that some Arabs don't pronounce the "j"? They always pronounce it as "g" or "ga".

Take "the" as another example. Some Arabs also don't pronounce "the". They pronounce it as "za".

Another example, and this is an important one in my opinion, is that some Arabs used to have a dialect which originated from Yemen, where they would add "an" at the end of a noun. Take for instance the popular word of today "Taliban", as in the Taliban in Afghanistan. "Taliban" is the same as the Arabic word "Talib" which means "Student".

The Afghans today used the old Arabic dialect from Yemen which dates even older than 1400 years ago when the Noble Quran was revealed. Back then in Yemen, as I said, they used to add the word "an" for nouns. So if they for instance wanted to refer to a stone "sakhr (in Arabic)", then they would refer to it as "sakhran", even though it would be written in Arabic as "sakhr".

In Islam, properly reciting the Words of Allah Almighty is the way it must be practiced. Otherwise, it would be considered a sin and disrespect toward Allah Almighty and the individual would be disobeying Allah Almighty and would gain bad deeds that will count against him in the Day of Judgment if he did it intentionally.



The preservation of the Noble Quran during Muhammad's time:

When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him received the Noble Quran's Revelations in a 10-years span, he had everything documented on paper and saved with his close disciples and immediate family. He also had the entire Noble Quran memorized along with many of his followers. The Noble Quran during the times of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him was carefully preserved and protected from man's corruption. It was documented on paper and it was entirely memorized by many.

When Uthman, the third Caliph in Islam, compiled the Noble Quran, he did not determine the numerical order of the Noble Chapters and the Noble Verses. The entire Noble Quran as I said was already documented and memorized. Chapters from the Noble Quran were recited by our Prophet peace be upon him at least 5 times a day during the Muslims' five-daily prayers. Also, the Noble Quran was all recited during the month of Ramadan, as it is still done today. There are other daily and weekly religious occasions, festivals and holidays where the Noble Quran back then and still today was recited either partially or wholly. The Muslims who perfected the memorization of the Noble Quran back then continuously refreshed their memories through teaching others: Muslims and non-Muslims about Islam.

So, it is beyond the shadow of the doubt that the numbering and the order of the Noble Chapters and Verses was already determined by our Prophet peace be upon him through the inspiration and guidance of Allah Almighty, and not by anyone else.

Historically, almost every Muslim scholar had the entire Noble Quran memorized by heart. If you live among Muslims or know well how the Muslims deal with the Noble Quran, then you would know that tampering with the Noble Quran is impossible among the Muslims. If someone recites the Noble Quran to the public (in the Mosque for instance) and makes a mistake, then he would find many who would correct him because they would have the entire Noble Quran memorized by heart.

The memorization of the entire Noble Quran is something sacred in Islam. It helped the Noble Quran remain error-free from man's false documentation. Today in the Middle East they have programs and rewards for those who have the entire Noble Quran memorized. I once saw on TV a biography about a 4-years old little boy in Iran who had the entire Noble Quran memorized! He received a big reward and was enlisted in the "gifted kids" program.

We must know that according to Islam Allah Almighty Himself is protecting the Noble Quran until the Day of Judgment from man's corruption: "We [Allah] have, without doubt, sent down the Message [The Noble Quran]; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption). (The Noble Quran, 15:9)"
 

muslimah-2k8

Junior Member
PRESERVATION OF QURAN

After the death of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him:

When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him died, Islam was still small geographically. The Muslims mostly existed in the two cities of Mecca and Madina. Comparing those two cities' size to the Middle East region's size, they would not even be 0.0001% in comparison.

After the death of our beloved Prophet, Islam started to expand in the Middle East region. Not only the People of the entire region didn't have the same dialect, but also they had different languages. The languages that were spoken in the region at that time were Arabic (with its 7 dialects), Persian, Assyrian, Hebrew and some Greek. All of these languages are quite different from each others. You would need a translator to translate almost 100% of the conversation if you were to pick two languages and have two people converse with them, each person with one language.

As the Muslims expanded through the entire region, which is thousands of squared miles in area, the Noble Quran was documented at different places with sometimes different languages and Arabic dialects as well.

Islam mostly spread throughout the region during the first two Caliphs (our Prophet's disciples); may Allah Almighty be pleased with them, Abu-Baker Al-Siddeeq, and Omar bin Al-Khattab. They were mostly concerned with spreading Islam to the people of the entire region and never had the time, nor the rulership (since Islam wasn't quite spread throughout the entire region until toward the end of the second disciple's time) to unify the Noble Quran or the teaching of the Noble Quran with one dialect in recitation and spelling.

When Uthman bin Aaffan (the third disciple) came, Islam was pretty stable in the region, and he had rulership to implement the Quraishi dialect among all the Arabic speaking people in the entire region, and to teach them the Noble Quran through that dialect only.

Important Note: If the Noble Quran is recited in a different dialect than the Quraishi one, and if one tries to write down what he is reciting, he could and would end up with different words in spelling and in some cases in meaning as well than the original copy of the Noble Quran.

When Uthman got hold of all of the Qurans that were written in different dialects, and in some cases were altered to sound exactly like the other dialects, he ordered for them to get burnt because they did not use the proper Arabic that was revealed unto our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, and in some cases their words were different because of this dialect difference. He then compiled all of the Noble Surahs (Chapters) of the Noble Quran that were already written during the time of Prophet Muhammad in the city of Madina and formed what we call today the one true copy of the "Noble Quran".

Important Note: As I mentioned above, when Uthman, the third Caliph in Islam, compiled the Noble Quran, he did not determine the numerical order of the Noble Chapters and the Noble Verses. The entire Noble Quran as I said was already documented and memorized. Chapters from the Noble Quran were recited by our Prophet peace be upon him at least 5 times a day during the Muslims' five-daily prayers. Also, the Noble Quran was all recited during the month of Ramadan, as it is still done today. There are other daily and weekly religious occasions, festivals and holidays where the Noble Quran back then and still today was recited either partially or wholly. The Muslims who perfected the memorization of the Noble Quran back then continuously refreshed their memories through teaching others: Muslims and non-Muslims about Islam.

So, it is beyond the shadow of the doubt that the numbering and the order of the Noble Chapters and Verses was already determined by our Prophet peace be upon him through the inspiration and guidance of Allah Almighty, and not by anyone else.

Ever since then and till today, the Arabic Noble Quran is taught with one Arabic dialect, and that is the Quraishi dialect. Also, the proper Arabic language as I mentioned above that is taught in schools and books today is also in the Quraishi dialect.
 

cmelbouzaidi

Junior Member
was the holy quran originally written in arabic?

did prophet muhammed (pbuh) write the quran himself?

i came across this which led me to ask the questions above............

"The original Quran was written by Mohammed's hand. After his departure, a group of his followers gathered his handwritten Quran, and added two verses to the end of chapter 9 in order to honor their prophet. They then copied it and sent it to different communities. Years later, by the will of God, the original Quran was burnt.

The First Qurans were written in North Arabic script. The Arabic script relates directly to the "Nabatian" script, which was derived from Aramaic, 1400 years ago.



Later the marking of vowels or using diacritics were added to the Arabic script for ease of reading, since Arabic text dose not have any vowels. By using diacritics, some characters of Arabic alphabet have been replaced, and at the same time some characters were added to the 28 letters of the Arabic alphabet. Ever since, by the will of God, we have been deprived from the correct spelling of some of the words in the Quran. That is why today we have so many different Arabic Qurans, each with different spellings"

:salam2:
also, just to be clear, the prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, was actually illiterate, unlettered and therefore teh Qur'an was not written by his hand at all. rather it was a divine revelation from Allah via Angel Gabriel to our beloved prophet which remained as an oral tradition for many years and the copies that we have today have not a vowel or punctuation point different from the original compilation. there is no other book as miraculous as this, Subhan'Allah. millions of people know the whole qur'an from cover to cover, even many who do not speak arabic fluently. the qur'an has never been changed from the original nor can it be destroyed as it is in the memory and hearts of muslims all around the globe :) a lot of christians are surprised that so many have memorized qur'an it its beautiful and poetic language, you will not find many at all that know the bible from cover to cover!

who is saying that the qur'an was written by Mohammed's (pbuh) hand, it angers me when people publish inaccurate information, what was the source, brother?

anyway, hope this helps. your sister in islam :)

:wasalam:
 

Waseem203

Young Muslim
Salam.
""The original Quran was written by Mohammed's hand. After his departure, a group of his followers gathered his handwritten Quran, and added two verses to the end of chapter 9 in order to honor their prophet. They then copied it and sent it to different communities. Years later, by the will of God, the original Quran was burnt."

This was from www.submission.org right? You should have no care about words written by someone claiming to be a prophet, yet adherng to the Quran. Rashad Khalifia claimed he knew the Day of Judgement from a mysterious 19 code from the Quran and in order to drive his claims he removed two Noble verses from the end of Chapter 9, saying they were added in honor of the Prophet. You are best off ignoring ignorance like this and save yourself from the grief, the Quran has always been the word of God.

Salam
 

xSharingan01x

TraVeLer
was the holy quran originally written in arabic?

did prophet muhammed (pbuh) write the quran himself?

i came across this which led me to ask the questions above............

"The original Quran was written by Mohammed's hand. After his departure, a group of his followers gathered his handwritten Quran, and added two verses to the end of chapter 9 in order to honor their prophet. They then copied it and sent it to different communities. Years later, by the will of God, the original Quran was burnt.

The First Qurans were written in North Arabic script. The Arabic script relates directly to the "Nabatian" script, which was derived from Aramaic, 1400 years ago.



Later the marking of vowels or using diacritics were added to the Arabic script for ease of reading, since Arabic text dose not have any vowels. By using diacritics, some characters of Arabic alphabet have been replaced, and at the same time some characters were added to the 28 letters of the Arabic alphabet. Ever since, by the will of God, we have been deprived from the correct spelling of some of the words in the Quran. That is why today we have so many different Arabic Qurans, each with different spellings"

:salam2:
Brother, This is not true. I'm not sure where you got your information from, but there is no basis for such claim.
We know that Prophet Muhammad was not able to read and write. This is evident in the text of the Noble Quran and in the authentic hadeeth.

This is a classic claim of the orientalist now a few deviant Muslims or perhaps ignorant are also claiming the same thing.
I would advise you to read the Quran, since the Quran already addresses this claim and the likes of it.
 

moeedkhan1

New Member
قرآن میں تحریف
بےشک یہ نصیحت ہمیں نے اُتاری ہے اور ہم ہی اس کے نگہبان ہیں (15:9)
قرآن اللہ کا پیغام ہے اور اس کی حفاظت کا ذمہ اللہ نےخود اٹھایا ہے لہذا اس میں کوئی تحریف ممکن نہیں یہ دعوی ٰ مسلمانوں کی آنکھوں میں سرا سر دھول جھونکنے کے مترادف ہے۔
فرض کر لیجیے میں ایک کمپنی کا مالک ہوں جس کے ملازم پوری دنیا میں کا م کرتے ہیں۔ میں کمپنی کے ملازمین کے لیےاپنی مادری زبان اردو میں بول کر کچھ ہدایات جاری کرتا ہوں جس کو بعد میں کمپنی کی ویب سائیٹ پر مختلف زبانوں میں ترجمہ کر کے ڈالا جائے گا۔ اگر میرے بولے گئے الفاظ کو ترجمہ کرتے وقت بالکل بدل دیا جائے تو اسکا مطلب ہو گا میرے پیغام میں تحریف ہو گئی ہے چاہے میری بولی گئی ہدایات اردو میں صحیح سلامت مو جود بھی ہوں۔ اس معاملے میں میرے کمپنی کے ملازمت میری ہدایات پر غلط عمل درآمد کرنے نے ذمہ دار نہیں ہوں کہ بلکہ غلط ترجمہ کرنے والاذمہ دار ہوگا۔ اسی طرح قرآن کے سلسلے میں پیغام کی حفاظت کی ذمہ داری اللہ نے اٹھائی تھی جس میں وہ بری طرح ناکام ہوچکا ہے۔ عام مسلمانوں کی آنکھوں میں دھول جھونکے کے لیے کہا جائے گا کہ عربی ٹیکسٹ بالکل سلامت ہے صرف ترجمہ تبدیل کیا گیا ہے ۔ تو سوال پیدا ہوتا ہے اگر اللہ حکمت والی ہستی ہے تو کیا اسے ا پنے پیغام کی حفاظت کرنی چاہیے تھی یا عربی ٹیکسٹ کی؟ قرآن پوری دنیا کے انسانوں کے لیےاللہ کا پیغام ہے نہ کہ صرب عربی بولنے والوں کے لیے اس کے علاوہ سورہ الحجر کی آیت نمبر 9 کے مطابق اللہ نے اپنی ہدایت کی حفاظت کا ذمہ اٹھایا ہے نہ کہ عربی ٹیکسٹ کی حفاظت کا۔
چلیں بحث کی خاطراگر ہم تسلیم کر لیں کہ اللہ نے صرف عربی ٹیکسٹ کی حفاظت کا ذمہ اٹھایا تھا نہ کہ اس میں موجود پیغام کا تو پھر اس بات میں کیا حکمت باقی رہ جاتی ہے ؟ دنیا کی مختلف لائبرریزمیں اس وقت بے شمار قدیم قلمی نسخے موجود ہیں جو اسلام سے بھی پہلے کے ہیں بلکہ قبل از مسیح کے ہیں تو ان قدیم نسخاجات کی حفاظت کس نے کی؟ دوسری طرف دیکھیں تو دنیا میں محمد کے زمانے کے قرآن کا کوئی ایک بھی نسخہ موجود نہیں ہے ۔ شاید آپ کو جان کر حیرت ہو قرآن کے قدیم نسخاجات جن کا تعلق آٹھویں صدی سے ہے وہ آج کے مروجہ قرآن سے مختلف ہیں۔ محمد کے زمانے کے کسی قدیم قرآنی نسخے کی عدم دستیابی ہی اس دعوے کو مشکوک بنا دیتی ہے کہ وقت کے ساتھ ساتھ قرآن کے عربی ٹیکسٹ میں تحریف نہیں کی گئی۔ ///ذیِ شان///
Salam.
""The original Quran was written by Mohammed's hand. After his departure, a group of his followers gathered his handwritten Quran, and added two verses to the end of chapter 9 in order to honor their prophet. They then copied it and sent it to different communities. Years later, by the will of God, the original Quran was burnt."

This was from www.submission.org right? You should have no care about words written by someone claiming to be a prophet, yet adherng to the Quran. Rashad Khalifia claimed he knew the Day of Judgement from a mysterious 19 code from the Quran and in order to drive his claims he removed two Noble verses from the end of Chapter 9, saying they were added in honor of the Prophet. You are best off ignoring ignorance like this and save yourself from the grief, the Quran has always been the word of God.

Salam
 
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