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    In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
    This is a short introduction to the "original sin" concept in christian theology.


    What is original sin?

    Although Christianity emphasizes the inherited original/Adam's sin, this principle cannot be traced back to any prophet. No prophet preached it. All prophets emphasized the individual's responsibility for his own words and deeds, as God’s message is the same in its basics with all the prophets.

    The doctrine of Original Sin basically boils down to this:

    • Everyone has "inherited" this sinful nature from Adam.
    • This sinful nature is going to make humans sin, or is a causative something back of the will.
    • God is going to condemn everyone to Hell for having this sinful nature.
    Atonement and reconciliation

    The word atonement is used in Christian theology to describe what is achieved by the alleged death of Jesus. The word was first used in 1526 to translate the Latin word reconciliatio.

    In the Revised Standard Version the word reconciliation replaces the word atonement. Atonement (at-one-ment) is the reconciliation of men and women to God through the death of Jesus.

    But why was reconciliation needed?

    Christian theology suggests that Everybody carries this original sin of Adam with them which separates them from God, just as Adam and Eve were separated from God when they were cast out of the Garden of Eden.

    The Atonement is that Jesus paid the penalty for the original and other sins of men by his death on the cross of Calvary, and that salvation cannot be obtained without belief in the saving power of his blood.


    "There is no single doctrine of the atonement in the New Testament. In fact, perhaps more surprisingly, there is no official Church definition either."

    (http://www.bbc.co.uk...esusdie_1.shtml)

    Jesus taught that salvation lies in good deeds and faith, but the church states that salvation and success was achieved through crucifixion. The teachings of he who they believe to be the son of God, are not in line with what present day churches preach, the illogicality and inconsistency of their faith is obvious.

    Original sin is an Augustine Christian doctrine that says that everyone is born sinful. The root of Christianity is the original sin upon which the crucifixion is justified and used for the benefit of Christians. Like trinity, Jesus never said I would be crucified for Adam's sin nor did he said that children are born sinful. None of these are found in the entire Bible.

    The concept of Original Sin was explained in depth by St Augustine and formalised as part of Roman Catholic doctrine by the Councils of Trent in the 16th Century.

    Getting rid of original sin

    The way a person can 'cleanse' their soul from sin is

    • to accept that Christ's death on the cross atoned for this sin
    • to be baptised.
    Many Christians who profess to believe in the doctrine of original sin do not know what it teaches. Even more Christians are ignorant of its history and origin.
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    Practical Ills of Original Sin

    By: Osama Abdullah



    Everybody is practically a sinner in the concept of original sin but if the concept is analyzed, it says that everybody is innocent as the sin is not their own.

    This concept is nowhere in the Bible. The only places where such a thing is mentioned, it speaks of worldly punishment and nothing else.

    Other than the reason that it is not mentioned in the Bible and is an innovation, there are practical reasons why it should be banned.

    1. It blames God which is blasphemy
    2. It degrades Prophet Adam
    3. It degrades women
    4. It takes away the blame from the culprit and makes him a victim
    5. It encourages other man-made concepts – One lie leads to the other
    6. It encourages immorality
    7. It promotes a culture of blasphemy and complacency

    It blames God which is blasphemy

    As per the concept, the main one responsible for the whole of original sin is God. This is a blasphemy towards God. It attempts to degrade God by attributing Him a status of being cruel or being helpless, as He has no power to remove it. Christians believe that sacrifice and blood is required to remove this curse. This belief states that God cannot take away what He had done wrong. No wonder Christians are leaving their religion. This belief also explains the growth of Satanism as they consider Satan to be a competitor to God both having limited powers.

    It degrades Prophet Adam

    Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) is a man loved and respected by Muslims. He is the first man on earth and the father of all human beings. Attributing to him our sins is disrespect for our father. This concept makes him the worst man on earth and Jesus to be his complete opposite. This is also blasphemy as it insults the father of mankind and indirectly is disrespect of God.

    It degrades women

    Original sin gives all the blame of the incident of the apple to the mother of mankind. It degrades not only her but also all women as it blames womankind for such desires.
    Original sin also degrades women in other ways such as calling motherhood a curse. In Islam, motherhood is a blessing from Allah but as per the original sin, it is a curse upon women.

    It takes away the blame from the culprit and makes him a victim

    Christians have a saying that is to hate the sin, love the sinner. This is against humanity. A rapist, killer, holocaust believer and performer etc are all taken as innocent people who have inherited the tendency to sin. Instead of hating them, they are loved. Another blasphemy towards God and the laws of God. The law of God says that such people should be killed. In the USA, the punishment for rape is 7 years in prison which is gross injustice to the rape victim. When Islam declares death to the rapist, the anti-God ones find it very cruel and barbaric.

    It encourages other man-made concepts – One lie leads to the other

    Since this concept is not to be found in the Bible, it’s followers make up lies to keep it alive and to stay away from exposing themselves. The concept is an innovation of Paul spread around by Churches. This false concept has led to other false concepts such as describing the mission of Jesus. Jesus himself says that he has come for Israel only but Paul says that his mission is to take away the sins of mankind caused by Adam. No such thing has been described in the Old Testament but one lie leads to another. This makes the Bible to be a book full of lies.

    It encourages immorality


    When a Christian reads that Prophets have raped, performed incest and what not, they feel that such a thing is morally not too bad. Further, these self-made acts of Prophets are defended by Christian priests and preachers who have to make up lies to defend their religion. The sin is hated and the sinner loved. Holocaust is hated but Hitler loved?

    It promotes a culture of blasphemy and complacency

    In the western world, we see pictures, idols, statues, movies and cartoons of religious personalities shown in a negative manner. In many pictures and movies, Adam and Eve are degraded by being shown naked, Jesus is degraded and this makes them consider their blasphemies to be freedom and art and culture. The westerners expect others to adhere to their blasphemies and when they make silly portraits of the last Prophet, they expect others to accept it as freedom.

    Man-made concepts of forgiveness of sins have been invented. They make the person complacent as they can sin everyday of their life and come to Church once a week and get themselves all clean, the meter goes back to zero. Many priests have been caught taking money for such things. A totally pathetic culture is encouraged by original sin.

    The devil has done careful planning!
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    Biblical view

    The Bible teaches that children cannot be sinners and guilty and condemned at birth, for they do not yet know the difference between good and evil, and have not yet come to the "age of accountability":

    "Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it." Deuteronomy 1:39

    "It is the soul that sins, and no other, that shall die; a son shall not share a father's guilt, nor a father his son's. The righteous man shall reap the fruit of his own righteousness, and the wicked man the fruit of his own wickedness." (Ezekiel, chapter 18, verse 20.)



    It is a physical impossibility to be born a sinner because of the nature of sin. Sin is not a substance. It has no physical properties and cannot possibly be passed on physically from one person to another.


    It is probably shocking for the Christian who has been taught this doctrine as Bible truth to be told that not one word of it can be found in the Bible. Christians believe this doctrine to be Bible doctrine because theologians, preachers, and Sunday school teachers teach them as if they were Bible doctrines quoted directly from the Bible, and give them a semblance of credence with Bible texts quoted out of context (as shown here & here ). To take any of them as evidence, you are committing a logical fallacy !

    Where can you find written in the Bible that "The whole human race existed in Adam at the time of his transgression"? Or that "Adam's will was the will of the species"? Or that "In Adam's free act the will of the race revolted against God and the nature of the race corrupted itself"? Or that "All men existed as one moral person in Adam, so that in Adam's sin we sinned, we corrupted ourselves, and brought guilt and merited condemnation upon ourselves"? Or where can it be found written in the Bible that "Adam was the federal head and moral representative of the race, and God made a covenant with Adam, agreeing to bestow upon all his descendants eternal life for his obedience and making the penalty for his disobedience to be the condemnation of all his descendants"? Or where in the Bible can it be found written that "All men are guilty and condemnable for the depraved nature with which they are born"? Nowhere! These theories are not in the Bible. You can search the Bible through from cover to cover and you will never find a word of these theories on its pages.
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    Islamic view

    In contrast to the Christian teaching that human nature is basically evil [owing to the Original Sin], Islam teaches that it is essentially good. There are many elements to Human nature and each one has the potential to bring benefits. So there is no "Original Sin" in Islam. It is that when Man contradicts God’s commandments or His will, he commits sins.

    Adam committed such a sin, which led to his expulsion from the Garden of Eden. But Adam repented and prayed to God for forgiveness, which God granted him, as mentioned in the following in Surah 2, verse 37:


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    Sahih International


    Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.


    This means that unlike Christianity, which teaches that all the children of Adam are sinful for Adam’s sin, Islam teaches that all humans are innocent by birth and they become sinful only when they consciously commit a sin. Islam regards the concept of “original sin” and the need for atonement by God Himself - via dying on the Cross - as a pure invention of those who came after Jesus Christ, declaring themselves as Christians.

    Another important point to bear in mind about the Islamic concept of sin is that one man’s sin cannot be transferred to another; nor can the reward due to a person be transferred either. The volitional implication of Fitrah is that man is responsible for his own wrong actions. Islam teaches that the justice of God is all-pervading and that there is no question of His punishing one person (like Jesus) for the sin of another (Adam) . Every individual is responsible only for his or her actions, for God is never unjust. This is made clear in the following in Surah 17, verse 15:


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    Sahih International


    Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.


    Every individual is an independent person who is responsible for his or her actions alone. There is no need for salvation from sin, for there is no original burden. One's success in the Hereafter lies in his living a righteous life in this world. Each has to build his/her own Heaven, avoiding the misery of Hell. Faith is important, but faith alone without deeds will be fruitless.

    Indeed, God has has implanted His own religion (Fitrah) into every human birth. The true religion is innate, with which all humans are equipped. Behind the dazzling religious diversity of mankind stands an innate religion inseparable from human nature. This is the primordial religion, Ur-religion, the one and only true religion.



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    Sahih International


    Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah , then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.

    . (Qur’an 3:19).

    Everyone possesses it unless acculturation and indoctrination, misguidance, corruption or dissuasion have taught him otherwise. Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) said:


    " Every newborn child is born on the innate nature (Fitrah ). Then his parents change him into Judaism, Christianity or Magianism."



    Knowledge of Divine mercy as well as knowledge of the innate goodness of the human Fitrah, serves three very important functions:

    Firstly it gives the believer hope of salvation and success;

    Secondly, it gives him confidence in his own potential to do right and resist wrong;

    Thirdly, it exhorts and admonishes him to actively pursue all that is right and resist all that is wrong.

    These are the merits of sincere repentance. Just as the Prophet Adam, peace be upon him, repented and was pardoned for his wrong action, so may his descendents repent and be pardoned for their wrong actions.

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