palastine march on satuday
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Brother is talking about protest and this is an educated way of today's world to tell them what is happening. Islam does not say anything against it. This is about human rights. And how we are supposed to do help for our Palestine brothers , mothers and childern. Its a irony whenever this kind protest campaign starts i can see more non-Muslims than Muslims. It is better to protest than sitting in home and cursing Israel.
brother matter of fact we have seen alot of protesting, but is this the way of the sunnah? the palestinians and muslims have been protesting for 60 years now, burning the Israeli Flag in their protests, what has the burning of the israeli flag for 60 years goten them? Noting, more settlements and more land taken away, unless we follow what is permissible and avoid what is harmful we will never achieve anything, we will loose more then achieve. Millions of people protested the Iraq War but did that stop the Kuffar attacking? no. protesting does noting but creates destruction, and burning of cars, Mixing of the sexes, shops being destroyed and also People being killed, especially in those danish protests in Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria etc. what did it achieve other then the death of muslim protestors and carnage in those streets which only effected muslims shopowners and their Image? there are many ways to protest, not only street demonstration. but first you have to have sound faith.
As-salaamu `alaykum.
Islaam says nothing about it? Islaam covers every element of life, walhamdulillaah the religion is perfect. In short terms, demos are pretty pointless, they seldom result in any good, yet involve more haraam and munkar (evil) then ma`ruf (good) and sunnah. Alhamdulillaah, I've read a few fataawaa on the issue, and the majority of `Ullemaa' whose statements I've read, rule them out, or at least say they're pointless. Probably the most ironic thing I see, is that you see sisters, wearing hijaab, screaming and shouting and clashing with men?! Or forget that, you often hear of people who don't pray or fulfill their obligations to Allaah, but run to a demo to "speak up" for Palestine...?????
From the principles of the religion is that we obtain knowledge first, act upon it, before calling others to it. So if these people are truely concerned about the Ummah, then I think they should start by rectifying their own short-comings before speaking out for a nation! It's known that self rectification can lead to the eventual rectification of a community, not the other way round!?
Sister Shalina, as Muslims we should be concerned about the Muslim Ummah, very concerned. We should feel sorrow and pity, we should make du`aa for them, help them when we can through charity and the likes. But demos rarely create any good, and the "awareness" it yields is often minimal; even if much then it rarely brings about much change. It would be far better to use other mediums than to resort to blocking up the roads, which in this pefected religion, have their rights not to be blocked.
Islaam says nothing about it? Islaam covers every element of life, walhamdulillaah the religion is perfect. In short terms, demos are pretty pointless, they seldom result in any good, yet involve more haraam and munkar (evil) then ma`ruf (good) and sunnah. Alhamdulillaah, I've read a few fataawaa on the issue, and the majority of `Ullemaa' whose statements I've read, rule them out, or at least say they're pointless. Probably the most ironic thing I see, is that you see sisters, wearing hijaab, screaming and shouting and clashing with men?! Or forget that, you often hear of people who don't pray or fulfill their obligations to Allaah, but run to a demo to "speak up" for Palestine...?????
From the principles of the religion is that we obtain knowledge first, act upon it, before calling others to it. So if these people are truely concerned about the Ummah, then I think they should start by rectifying their own short-comings before speaking out for a nation! It's known that self rectification can lead to the eventual rectification of a community, not the other way round!?
Sister Shalina, as Muslims we should be concerned about the Muslim Ummah, very concerned. We should feel sorrow and pity, we should make du`aa for them, help them when we can through charity and the likes. But demos rarely create any good, and the "awareness" it yields is often minimal; even if much then it rarely brings about much change. It would be far better to use other mediums than to resort to blocking up the roads, which in this pefected religion, have their rights not to be blocked.
some of the points al-kashmiri made are interesting, there are people who don't even pray, but when there is a protest they are quick to join, you also have to understand when you go to these protest you will also see many gay and lesbian flags promoting Homosexuaility and also communists flags, these protest draw so many weirdos. and also forget about women in hijab shouting, there are women who don't even wear Hijab there and know next to noting about Islam there protesting next to women in hijab and some time Niqab. over all it's pointless, if you want to help Muslims or Palestine then you should learn about Islam like all of us insha'Allah are doing or shoud do obtain knowledge. and call people to Allah by doing dawah that is more better for you and to the Muslims.
as-Salaam 3laikum wa Ra7matullahi Wa Barakatu
as-Salaam 3laikum wa Ra7matullahi Wa Barakatu
As-salaamu `alaykum.
I thought I'd also add, that when one goes to a protest, the only "awareness" an observer obtains is a few slogans, sayings and moans about a particular issue; very informative (sarcasm)! On the contrary, if Muslims were to compile some flyers, pack them with knowledge of issues at hand, so if the niqab has become the issue of debate (as it has done in the past), then talk about the rights of Muslim women in Islaam etc compared to their "slavery" in the West. So the issuing or spreading of this knowledge (even by appearing on panels!) will be far more informative than the former method, namely protesting and demonstrating. Another MAJOR setback of protesting, is that due to the lack of factual and benefical information present (a few placards and chants don't draw a picture), the observer if bothered, may look into the matter themselves, with no sense of direction or resources. Whereas flyers can provide some grounds to investigate, hence it's no surprise to me that the of the many reverts I have met, none of them have ever gained anything from a protest, not even awareness, as oppose to the benefits they gained through real conveyance of knowledge...
I thought I'd also add, that when one goes to a protest, the only "awareness" an observer obtains is a few slogans, sayings and moans about a particular issue; very informative (sarcasm)! On the contrary, if Muslims were to compile some flyers, pack them with knowledge of issues at hand, so if the niqab has become the issue of debate (as it has done in the past), then talk about the rights of Muslim women in Islaam etc compared to their "slavery" in the West. So the issuing or spreading of this knowledge (even by appearing on panels!) will be far more informative than the former method, namely protesting and demonstrating. Another MAJOR setback of protesting, is that due to the lack of factual and benefical information present (a few placards and chants don't draw a picture), the observer if bothered, may look into the matter themselves, with no sense of direction or resources. Whereas flyers can provide some grounds to investigate, hence it's no surprise to me that the of the many reverts I have met, none of them have ever gained anything from a protest, not even awareness, as oppose to the benefits they gained through real conveyance of knowledge...
I did not mean what you tried to "extract" from my post.
Ok than what is the solution. Should we sit our home and if there is war outside than what should we do. We should not join the war. We should not go with them as there will be so many Muslims whose iman will not "perfect".
What you said i agree with it that there are so many haram in these kind of protest. But you should learn that Islam has a political point of view. If a person is sick than he need to go to doctor not to slaugter house.
Dawah is an act which will never stop and it must not be. But this war is going on on the political platform than what should Muslim do for their political uprise. Islam has its political point of view.
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Muslims demonstrating in support of their Palestinian brothers
The Muslim community here in southern Sweden has decided to hold a demonstration of solidarity with the Palestinian people. The demonstration will be peaceful, aimed at conveying the voice of the Muslims to the Swedish government, to put pressure on them to stop the massacres of the children of the Palestinian people. What is the ruling on such demonstrations? We would like to inform you that these demonstrations will play a great role and be very effective in conveying the views of the Muslims to the politicians, to put pressure on the Zionist government to put a stop to the massacres of the children in Palestine. Please advise us, may Allaah reward you with good.
Praise be to Allaah.
There is nothing wrong with the Muslim community in Sweden protesting in order to reduce the pressure on the Muslims in Palestine and to draw the attention of the Swedish people and government to the crimes which the Jews are committing against the Muslims in Palestine, and using all effective and Islamically-acceptable means of doing so.
But demonstrations may involve a number of things which are forbidden in sharee’ah, so it is essential to guard against them. These include:
women going out wearing adornment and make-up; using music in the demonstration; shouting slogans that are incorrect, such as “al-Quds (Jerusalem) is Arab and will remain Arab” (in fact, al-Quds is Islamic and is not for the Arabs only); stopping the demonstration in front of a kaafir’s tomb and placing bouquets of flowers on his grave; begging the kaafirs for help by using phrases that are humiliating to the Muslims; holding up pictures or effigies of people; doing wrong to others such as blocking the road or preventing people from passing by; using slanderous and insulting words that are not permitted in sharee’ah; men and women mixing during the demonstration; imitating the kuffaar in any of their unique characteristics such as clothing or symbols that the demonstrators may wear; committing acts of aggression against the property of innocent people, such as destroying their shops or breaking their windows, or starting fires in public facilities, and other haraam actions. And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
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Muslims demonstrating in support of their Palestinian brothers
The Muslim community here in southern Sweden has decided to hold a demonstration of solidarity with the Palestinian people. The demonstration will be peaceful, aimed at conveying the voice of the Muslims to the Swedish government, to put pressure on them to stop the massacres of the children of the Palestinian people. What is the ruling on such demonstrations? We would like to inform you that these demonstrations will play a great role and be very effective in conveying the views of the Muslims to the politicians, to put pressure on the Zionist government to put a stop to the massacres of the children in Palestine. Please advise us, may Allaah reward you with good.
Praise be to Allaah.
There is nothing wrong with the Muslim community in Sweden protesting in order to reduce the pressure on the Muslims in Palestine and to draw the attention of the Swedish people and government to the crimes which the Jews are committing against the Muslims in Palestine, and using all effective and Islamically-acceptable means of doing so.
But demonstrations may involve a number of things which are forbidden in sharee’ah, so it is essential to guard against them. These include:
women going out wearing adornment and make-up; using music in the demonstration; shouting slogans that are incorrect, such as “al-Quds (Jerusalem) is Arab and will remain Arab” (in fact, al-Quds is Islamic and is not for the Arabs only); stopping the demonstration in front of a kaafir’s tomb and placing bouquets of flowers on his grave; begging the kaafirs for help by using phrases that are humiliating to the Muslims; holding up pictures or effigies of people; doing wrong to others such as blocking the road or preventing people from passing by; using slanderous and insulting words that are not permitted in sharee’ah; men and women mixing during the demonstration; imitating the kuffaar in any of their unique characteristics such as clothing or symbols that the demonstrators may wear; committing acts of aggression against the property of innocent people, such as destroying their shops or breaking their windows, or starting fires in public facilities, and other haraam actions. And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
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As-salaamu `alaykum
What should we do?
Hasan Al-Basree was asked by a group of people about the fitnah of Hajjaaj Ibn Yusuf (war was the case wasn't it). He replied to those who asked saying that if Hajjaaj is a test from Allaah, then it is better you be patient. If it is a punishment from Allaah, then you cannot remove it with your swords. The group, not happy with the response took their swords to fight Hajjaaj and were killed! Upon hearing about their deaths, Al-Hasan would say on the lines of, "If only the people had patience".
There is a lesson in this walhamdulillaah. Patience is better for us. A trial from Allaah is not dealt with by complaining, but by self betterment. I don't think Al-Hasan would of approved of them complaining to Hajjaaj, do you? Rather he was admonishing the people to observe patience, and in many situations you find the salaf doing this.
I think too many people think that protesting is the best and almost only option; a form of da`wah etc. When in reality its one of the worst options, and there are many things which we can do, the most important of which we ALWAYS seem to neglect; looking at our ownselves and rectifying ourselves. These wars are trials and tests from Allaah, that is established. In the same sense, an Earthquake, or another disaster is also a trial and test from Allaah. I don't see anyone complaining and protesting about the various Earthquakes taking place in the Muslim would, let that be a lesson to us.
Was-salaam
What should we do?
Hasan Al-Basree was asked by a group of people about the fitnah of Hajjaaj Ibn Yusuf (war was the case wasn't it). He replied to those who asked saying that if Hajjaaj is a test from Allaah, then it is better you be patient. If it is a punishment from Allaah, then you cannot remove it with your swords. The group, not happy with the response took their swords to fight Hajjaaj and were killed! Upon hearing about their deaths, Al-Hasan would say on the lines of, "If only the people had patience".
There is a lesson in this walhamdulillaah. Patience is better for us. A trial from Allaah is not dealt with by complaining, but by self betterment. I don't think Al-Hasan would of approved of them complaining to Hajjaaj, do you? Rather he was admonishing the people to observe patience, and in many situations you find the salaf doing this.
I think too many people think that protesting is the best and almost only option; a form of da`wah etc. When in reality its one of the worst options, and there are many things which we can do, the most important of which we ALWAYS seem to neglect; looking at our ownselves and rectifying ourselves. These wars are trials and tests from Allaah, that is established. In the same sense, an Earthquake, or another disaster is also a trial and test from Allaah. I don't see anyone complaining and protesting about the various Earthquakes taking place in the Muslim would, let that be a lesson to us.
Was-salaam
As-salaamu `alaykum warahmatullaah.
I thought I'd show you the speech of the Shaykh hafidhahullaah's teacher,