People keep pushing me to work in banks

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
Salaam

I've been looking for work for a while, and so far no luck. But mostly everyone is pushing me to work in banks, apply to banks etc. I don't want to, and I've been trying to avoid working in banks. My parents have been calling me 'rigid' everyday, and saying since I have previous bank experience, I should just work for credit unions and banks. I've tried to explain about the islamic aspect, but everyone keeps saying I'm wrong, and that there's no problem working in banks if I don't get a job anywhere else.

So I should just keep trying to stay away from banks, right?
 

Ibn Uthaymin

Junior member
Salaam

I've been looking for work for a while, and so far no luck. But mostly everyone is pushing me to work in banks, apply to banks etc. I don't want to, and I've been trying to avoid working in banks. My parents have been calling me 'rigid' everyday, and saying since I have previous bank experience, I should just work for credit unions and banks. I've tried to explain about the islamic aspect, but everyone keeps saying I'm wrong, and that there's no problem working in banks if I don't get a job anywhere else.

So I should just keep trying to stay away from banks, right?

May Allah help you. I think working in a bank is haram.Your on the right track inshallah.
 

Al-Kashmiri

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As-salaamu `alaykum

May Allaah reward you with good.

Stay away from them, we cannot let the speech of some people fool us. The hadeeth of Muslim quoted in the below fatwa is crystal clear.

Working for a bank which deals with ribaa

Question: The son of my maternal uncle works for the Bank al-Jazeerah as an employee. So is it permissible for him to work there or not? Please provide us with a fatwa, and may Allaah reward you with good, since we have heard from (some) brothers that it is not permissible to work in a bank.

Response: It is not permissible to work in banks which deal with ribaa, because working therein is considered assisting in sin and transgression. Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) says:

{Help you one another in al-Birr and at-Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression, and fear Allaah - verily, Allaah is severe in punishment}, [Soorah al-Maa.idah, Aayah 2].

And that which is known is that ribaa is classified as amongst the major sins, so it is not permissible to assist those who work with it.

And it is authenticated from the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) that he cursed those who ate/benefitted (aakil) from ribaa as well as the one responsible (for the transactions), the one who writes (the transactions) and the witnesses (to the transactions), and he said:

((...they are the same/equal...)), transmitted by Imaam Muslim.

Shaykh Ibn Baaz
Silsilah Kitaab ad-Da'wah (1), al-Fataawa - Volume 1, Page 142

http://fatwa-online.com/fataawa/miscellaneous/banking/0010718_3.htm
 

Ibn Uthaymin

Junior member
it doesnt matter whether its haram or not. people cant be forced to work in a placement they don't like.


people keep telling me to go find work as a plumber or something.

i dont want to be unblocking smelly drains and toilets. i can't imagine what thats like.

I think it does matter. If it was not haram the question asked would be in appropriate. :)

Working as a plumber is a honest job, i see nothing wrong with that.
 

Ibn Uthaymin

Junior member
why is working in a bank haram, places are looking for some smart people these days.

some people like the idea of working in smelly places but i wouldnt.


Its Haram to work in a bank due to interest.


Its not that bad, you`ve got to agree it comes handy at times.
 

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
It hurts me so much that I keep having this discussion with my parents over and over again. They just don't understand, I've told them over and over its haraam to even work with interest, but they say, the whole world is interest-steeped now, where will you run?? And they point at countless muslims working in banks already.

It hurts me that I feel so distant with my parents because of this. They keep comparing me with how rigid I am, and its because of my 'rigidness' that I'm facing problems.

It's times like these where I almost wish that my life can just quickly be over, because I just hate arguments of all kind, and feel so very lonely.
 
:salam2:


I know of some who maintain the computers for banks and others who go a clean for the bank.

There could be other positions too.

but you need to define what your position will be and ask a sheik, particularly a sheik who has a degree in business, and will be able to inform you of Quran and Hadith.

being a loan officer is not acceptable for sure.

and also there maybe a problem with receiving money from an institution that does haram, so ask a sheik.

:wasalam:
 

Al-Kashmiri

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It hurts me so much that I keep having this discussion with my parents over and over again. They just don't understand, I've told them over and over its haraam to even work with interest, but they say, the whole world is interest-steeped now, where will you run?? And they point at countless muslims working in banks already.

It hurts me that I feel so distant with my parents because of this. They keep comparing me with how rigid I am, and its because of my 'rigidness' that I'm facing problems.

It's times like these where I almost wish that my life can just quickly be over, because I just hate arguments of all kind, and feel so very lonely.

As-salaamu `alaykum

I guess that's partly why we're suffering in this economy crisis right now. I can't speak for now, but in the past Shaykh `Abdul-`Aziz bin Baaz, rahimahullaah, made countless efforts in Saudi to abolish riba-based banking. The result was a closure of the stock exchange. I don't know what happened since, it occured 20 or so years ago.

Taken from ‘A Question of Interest: the Paralysis of Saudi Banking’ by P.W. Wilson (pp.186-188):

The Asharq Al-Awsat article was just SAMA’s [Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency] opening parry...the agency again tried to question Islamic banking by allowing one of its employees, [X], to question the ulema’s stand on interest and Islamic banking.....[X]’s paper...began with the provocative statement, "it is possible to say that there will not be Islamic strength without economic strength, and there will not be economic strength without banks, and there will not be banks without interest."...[X]’s conclusion was that simple interest charged by banks had nothing to do with the riba mentioned in the Koran and therefore should not be banned...

....In December, 1986, Bin Baz and his allies wrote replies to [X]’s paper...Quoting sayings of the Prophet to prove that simple interest was indeed riba, Bin Baz thundered against [X]’s assertion that there would be no Islamic economic strength without banks and interest. "The experience of Muslims from the time of the Prophet until banks were established is evidence of the fallacy of his argument...the Muslim economy has been righteous...it has gone for more than 13 centuries without banks or riba interest. Our wealth grew through righteous dealing....anyone with the narrowest vision knows that riba banks are against a sound economy and against the public interest and are among the greatest of reasons for the collapse, unemployment, the elimination of blessing and the rule of our enemies. We ask [Allaah] that He deliver Muslims from this and give them vision and uprighteousness." Bin Baz then ended his letter with a blunt warning..."No one may make permissible something which [Allaah] has forbidden. We ask [Allaah]...to help the writer...to return to truth and repent for what he issued and to announce it to the community. Perhaps [Allaah] will forgive him."

Proponents of Islamic banking didn’t rest there. In February, 1987, the Imam of the Grand Mosque at Mecca and the three judges of the Western Province Court of Appeals--four of the pillars of Saudi Arabia’s ulema--wrote to Bin Baz expressing their horror at the spread of interest, and urged him to press the country’s leaders to do something about it. Heeding their call, Bin Baz addressed a letter to King Fahd the next month, renewing his appeal for the immediate creation of Islamic banking institutions "which Muslims could use instead of riba banks. With these, they could protect themselves against the wrath, vengeance and severe punishment of [Allaah] that threaten those who go against His orders and beyond His boundaries...it is feared that the economic recession and fall in incomes that has occurred in this country and others could be warning of the imminent consequences that could end for us our blessing and in their place bring misfortune, punishment and vengeance upon us...the path of [Allaah] cannot be exchanged or changed, and we are a people of His people bound by His path as are other people, except that [Allaah] covers us with His grace. Might we seek His forgiveness for the war we are waging upon Him and His Prophet, and cease dealing in riba in its various forms, to purify the country and its people from its filth and stain."

And then Bin Baz reminded King Fahd of an oath he made before his ascension, saying "On this occasion I would like to remind you of your promise to the council in your letter of 16/7/1401 (May, 1981) of the determination of the government to set up an Islamic financial agency. I ask that an urgent royal decree be issued to finish the necessary studies to create this agency as soon as possible, along with the proposed Islamic banks, as an alternative to the present riba banks. The sheikhs are still receiving embarrassing written and oral enquiries which they are not able to answer on why there are no Islamic banks that don’t deal in interest in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, which is at the forefront of the countries that fight riba." [Author’s note: Taken from Bin Baz’ letter to King Fahd. All documents written by the cleric were supplied by lawyers.]

Fahd’s response has never been published. However, shortly thereafter, several events occurred that suggest that Fahd had bowed to their wishes. First, the country’s fledgling stock exchange was closed after religious leaders reportedly complained that trading was in the hands of the unIslamic banks...

For the rest of the article (which is about the Shaykh), refer to the following link at troid.org,

http://troid.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=213&Itemid=415

Was-salaam
 

ahmed_indian

to Allah we belong
It hurts me that I feel so distant with my parents because of this. They keep comparing me with how rigid I am, and its because of my 'rigidness' that I'm facing problems.

:salam2:
Allah's Messenger :saw: said, "The believing man or woman continues to have affliction in person, property and children so that they may finally meet Allah, free from sin." (Tirmidhi)

Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] advised, “Whoever cherishes my Sunnah, indeed he cherishes me and whoever loves me will be with me in Jannah.” (Sunan al-Tirmidhi)

As-salaamu `alaykum
I guess that's partly why we're suffering in this economy crisis right now.

:wasalam:

agree with u brother. eg. economic crisis in USA due to housing sector collapse as it was based on interest.
 
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