Plz help me to put reply to atheist ..

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Da3ea

New Member
Assaalamo alikom all my dear brothers and sisters...

I Would like to hlep me to answer these questions from
an atheist ...
I was talking with him about a child have medical
problem ...

This is his questions ..

ah, Let me ask you a question, Alyaa. About the baby
who was ill, but doctors cured the baby. Did Allah
want the baby to be sick and almost dying?

Question 2). If Allah did want the baby to live and be
healthy, why didn't Allah just prevent the baby from
getting sick in the first place?

Question 3). How do you know that doc's treatments on
the baby worked because Allah wanted it to work? Did
someone tell you this? How do you know what Allah
wants?

Question 4) What if Allah WANTED the baby to be cured,
BUT------- the doc that day was lousy doc, and gave
poison by accident and the baby died? Would the wrong
treatments still work then? Would the baby be
protected from poison? Or, is Allah limited in getting
his wishes by how talented that doc that day is?

Question 5). ARe you saying that doctors are tools
Allah uses to cure the babies he wants cured? What if
the doctor is an atheist, will the baby still be
cured? Why can't Allah just "BING!!" magically cure
the baby even without doctors?

Question 6) Can Allah perform miracles? (most gods of
US are thought to be able to perform miracles)
Why can none of the gods cause a person to grow back a
new limb? Why does Allah never ever ever ever help
amputees?

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sliver

Junior Member
Atheist are funny people. You answer their questions but yet it seems your answers was too bias or one they love to use "typical". But what is "typical" is the way they put forth questions in which they purposely want you to be wrong in. There are some good Atheist who want to find out the truth but most want to try to make a fool out of you. But in reality their making fools out them selves. Take this advice you wont win this argument not because you don't give valid answers no it's because your answers will not be good enough. If that makes sense.
 
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Abu Ameerah

Junior Member
Atheist

They really want to fool you and at the end of the day, they're laughing at you. Do you remember the story of Prophet Saleh (peace be upon Him) when his people asked him of a RED, PREGNANT, HUGE...ETC animal.. to come out from the mountain? Atheists are like that...asking impossible...May Allah guide them to the right path and Allah make us strong in our Faith by granting us more knowledge of Islam...
 
Seeking Allah's Mercy

Seeking Allah's Mercy

Qul HuwaAllahu Ahud!
:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu...

sobhnallah Akhi ayman1 you answered all the Questions beautifullly.jazakallah khairan.

how ever i got a Question.i debated a couple of Atheist,answered their Qs to the best i could.things went Quiet.so then i said my turn:they said i was welcomed to ask and prove it to them.so i ask them Questions trying to prove the existence of ALLAH from Quran. Quiet!!,again:confused:i dunno how to proceed now???should i leave it to that,ask them other questions or send them links of Quran or what???

they are the argumentive,mocking sort of ppl!!
 
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Da3ea

New Member
I have another reply from atheist ,

! //"God says in the Quran that
nothing can happen without His permission. "//

//"Nothing shall ever happen to us except what Allaah
has ordained for us."//

//"If God wants something to
happen, it will. "//
So God gave permission somehow, or, ordained, for the baby to get sick? The baby could not get sick without Allah's consent then?

What kind of a god would make an innocent baby suffer to test someone else's faith? How is THAT EVEN FAIR?
Does that make sense to you, Alyaa, really?
To rip up another human for YOUR benefit? for your spiritual growth, another human must suffer? Why would YOU (or whichever human is supposed to spiritually grow) be more important than the one who must suffer, so that you could learn patience and learn to believe in Allah more?

why would Allah choose YOUR spiritual growth, or the baby's parents' spiritual growth, as being more important than being fair to an innocent baby? What kind of god rips up babies so we can learn something?


Or, is Allah LIMITED by the laws of nature? The way you and i are. I cannot cure another human of an illness without using science and medicine, and even then, i might fail. Is this true of your god?



//"Yes. God can supernaturally cure anybody"// Why did Allah need the doctors then? Since you seemed to know that Allah wanted the baby to live, why did he rely on the doctors to do "his" work for him?



//"If by help amputees you mean grow them a new limb,
then again, the physical laws of this world may not
let that happen."// Oh, i thought you said Allah can do supernatural miracles. Is this true? How do you know? Have you seen any yourself? Why, in all these centuries, with many many very very very faithful muslims having lost a limb, is there not 1 who Allah decided to help grow a new limb? NOt even 1? See, Alyaa, i dont' think your god CAN do supernatural miracles. Only the kind doctors can do.

Or, is your god limited by laws of nature, same as you and i are?

How do you know the Quaran is true? There are many many gods, many gods. You were told about this god by your parents. If you had been born in say, Italy, you'd have a completely different god, and you would firmly believe THAT god is THE god, because you'd only heard about THAT god.

Really, you let your parents choose your god for you? Who wrote that Quran?
How do YOU, Alyaa, decide that Allah IS the best god of all of the 100s of gods?

How do YOU Alyaa, decide the Quran is true? How do you KNOW that?

If people have always always believed something, for a long long time, does that make it true? We used to believe many many things in the past, that now we realize were wrong...


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Is it right to do not send any reply to her ??
I feel that her heart is thick, it would not accept me any of the words..

what can i do ?
 
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Da3ea

New Member
I collect a reply from some islamic sites , i hope you can correct it to me before sending it to her :

Oh my god , I Predicted all of your words really .
If you read my words with open heart you will find all

reply for your new questions ( which i think it will

not be ended )

Did you read the article in the link ?
Did you read my reply Carefully?


Ok...

All your questions is about beileving on allah and the
existance of him ..

To improve the exictance of any something you can use
your senses to determine that you can see, hear,
feel, smell, taste it .right ?
But this is not how we perceive God .
because Nothing is like Him. He is the Creator, not
created, nor a part of His creation.
He is All-Powerful, absolutely Just.
There is no other entity in the entire universe worthy
of worship besides Him.
He is First, Last, and Everlasting; He was when
nothing was, and will be when nothing else remains.
He is the All-Knowing, and All-Merciful, the Supreme,
the Sovereign.
It is only He Who is capable of granting life to
anything.

Allah, there is no Ilah but He, The Eternal, the
Absolute, Purveyor of sustenance for all, and AL-Qayum
(Omnipotent) Who preserves existence. It is not
congruous with His divine nature to slumber or sleep.
To Him belong all in the heavens and on earth. Who is
it Who can intercede on behalf of another in His
August Presence but by the graceful proclamation of
His permission? He knows His creatures’ experiences
and the course of coming events which bridge their
span and no one can comprehend anything of His
knowledge nor can anything be known except as He will.
His Throne, His knowledge and His dominance and
command extend over the heavens and earth, whose
preservation does not tire Him or worn out with
fatigue, and He is above all and beyond all, He is the
Unique, whose attributes belong to the highest regions
of thought and reality.(Al baqarah 255)

We can look to the things that He has created and the
way that He cares for things and sustains us, to know
that there is no doubt of His existence.

Think about this the next time that you are looking up
at the moon or the stars on a clear night; could you
drop a drinking glass on the sidewalk and expect that
it would hit the ground and on impact it would not
shatter, but it would divide up into little small
drinking glasses, with iced tea in them? Of course
not.

Can a fast food restaurant operate itself without any
people there? That's crazy for anyone to even think
about.

After considering all of the above, how could we look
to the universe above us through a telescope or
observe the molecules in a microscope and then think
that all of this came about as a result of a "big
bang" or some "accident?"

Allah has created all that we call the universe as a
test for us. This is not our final destination. What
we might consider to be "bad" or "good" could actually
be quite the opposite. As regards oppression, this is
something that Allah forbids for Himself to do to
anyone and He hates it when anyone oppresses someone
else. He does have absolute power over everything. He
allows sickness, disease, death and even oppression so
that we can all be tested in what we do.

Allah tells us that He is Pure, Loving, and absolutely
Just in every respect. He says that He is the Best of
Judges. He also tells us that the life that we are in
is a test. He has created all the things that exist
and He has created all that happens as well. There is
nothing in this existence except what He has created.
He is using this as one of the many tests for us.

Allah says in His Quran that He did not create all of
this for any foolish purpose. He tells us that He
created us for the purpose of worshiping Him, Alone
and without any partners.

Allah is never subject to the Laws of the Creation
because He is both the Creator and the Law Giver.
Whenever He wants anything done, He merely says "Qun!
Faya Qun!" (Be! And so it will be!)

Allah sent His Messengers (peace be upon them) to
guide all of mankind.

He sent Muhammad (pbuh) as the last Prophet and
Messenger for all mankind.
His book is the Holy Qur'an, the only authentic
revealed book in the world that has been kept without
change.

Muslims have something that offers the most clear
proof of all - The Holy Quran. There is no other book
like it anywhere on earth. It is absolutely perfect in
the Arabic language. It has no mistakes in grammar,
meanings or context. The scientific evidences are well
known around the entire world, even amongst non-Muslim
scholars. Predictions in the Quran have come true; and
its teachings are clearly for all people, all places
and all times. No one has been able to produce a book
like it, nor ten chapters like it, nor even one
chapter like it. It was memorized by thousands of
people during the lifetime of Muhammad, peace be upon
him, and then this memorization was passed down from
teacher to student for generation after generation,
from mouth to ear and from one nation to another.
Today every single Muslim has memorized some part of
the Quran in the original Arabic language that it was
revealed in over 1,400 years ago, even though most of
them are not Arabs. There are over nine million
(9,000,000) Muslims living on the earth today who have
totally memorized the entire Quran, word for word, and
can recite the entire Quran, in Arabic just as
Muhammad, peace be upon him, did 14 centuries ago.
 
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Da3ea

New Member
Her heart is thick and I told you from the beginning that it's futile to argue with an atheist because their resentment clouds their judgment. You may send her the above replies and stress to her that she should give God the benefit of the doubt and listen to Him first before judging Him. She can listen to Him anytime by reading the Quran. Short of that, she cannot be helped unless God wills otherwise.
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Jazak allah khyra my brother .:ma:

I'm afraid from she will think i do not reply as for weakness in my
faith, especially when I did not mean correspondence or dialogue with
her .

But i will send this reply to her and put links of the holy quran and
other islamic links only and do not talk with her ..
 
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Min-Fadhli-Rabii

Junior Member
Assalam aleikum,
Jazaka'Allah Kheiran for sharing educative piece of information, I always learn something from your post although I am Daaie.

Brother/Sister Da3ae when you are giving dawah to an atheist, try to avoid religious terminologie, substitute with other words which has similiar meanig otherwise might/most time find boring and loose his attention. For examples

God = High Power, Supreme, High Force
Messenger, prophet, apostle = extra-ordinary person/human being
Quran = message from High Power
etc....

Watch Khalid Yasin Dawah Training DVDs you can download on kalamullah.com.

Hopes will help insha'Allah.
 
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