Polygamy In Islam - Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips & Jameelah Jones

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abou haytam

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My point in that scenario was that a woman will be patient and forego her "needs" to care for her husband. How cold would a woman be to leave a husband who could not provide for her due to illness.....but if a woman can do this why can't men?

salam sister;

I posted a response to your '' hiden fatwa there''. non-muslim reading your post will take your saying as a fatwa or a law in isalm. check my post and yes women have right to divorce from her hasband even if he don t agree with it.

Please sister aske question instead of imagining situation that make non-muslim reading your post confused about what is right and wrong in islam.

If she can't be patient she can ask for divorce, it simple and don t force the law of allah.
 

abou haytam

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Well AGAIN, if she is not barren but her partner can't provide, why does she have to SETTLE for no children if she still loves her hubby and doesn't want a divorce............Invitro fertilization?

I think men should just wait for their wives in the circumstances you outlined. They are things that a woman can do for her husband outside of intercourse while she is post-partum or mensing! It doesn't require another WIFE!

Like I said, I would seek divorce.....divorce is easier for me to handle than sharing my husband. Atleast then, I too could move on!


Salam sister;

Don't try to force allah's law. In the west you have something called sacrify for the sake of love. So sister if you love him and don t want to divorce him just sacrify your desire and be with him or sacrify your love and look for an other one. And islam is ok with the tow situation.
 

dianek

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If I have offended any, I apologize. I just really get angry about this topic. It fuels and enrages fire in my core being! Somethings like such a marriage should be left in the history pages and acknowledged as being permissible where NECESSARY for survival of a community but no in the world where I live.

Wasalam!
 

abou haytam

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You are still saying to me that she can divorce such a man but I am saying what if she truly loves and wants to care for this man all her days and divorce is not a step she wishes to make but she wants children as well......
Is invitro or sergacy haram for her since she apparently can't have relations??? What provisions are there for someone in her place?

Test-tube babies​

Question:

What is the ruling on so-called test-tube babies?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

This matter has been studied by the Islamic Fiqh Council (Majma’ al-Fiqh al-Islami), who issued the following statement:

One: The following five methods are forbidden according to sharee’ah. They are forbidden either in and of themselves, or because of their consequences such as mixing lineages, not knowing who the child’s mother is, or other reasons that are objectionable according to sharee’ah.

When fertilization takes place between sperm taken from the husband and an egg taken from a woman who is not his wife, then the embryo is placed in his wife’s womb.

When fertilization takes place between sperm taken from a man who is not the husband, and an egg taken from the wife, then the embryo is placed in the womb of the wife.

When fertilization is done externally between the sperm and egg of the couple, then the embryo is placed in the womb of a woman who volunteers to carry it (“surrogate motherhood”).

When fertilization is done externally between the sperm of a man who is not the husband and the egg of a woman who is not the wife, then the embryo is placed in the womb of the wife.

When fertilization is done externally between the sperm and egg of the two spouses, then the embryo is placed in the womb of another wife (of the husband).

Two: The sixth and seventh methods are acceptable as a last resort in cases of necessity, when it is certain that all necessary precautions have been taken. These two methods are:

When the sperm is taken from the husband and an egg is taken from the wife, fertilization is done externally, then the embryo is planted in the womb of the wife.

When the sperm of the husband is taken and injected into a suitable place in the cervix or womb of the wife so that fertilization may take place internally.

Other reservations that pose a concern in this matter include: the uncovering of the woman’s ‘awrah and most private parts; the possibility of mistakes in the laboratory; the possibility that some weak-minded people in some hospitals may breach their trust and deliberately switch eggs or sperm in order to make the operation a success and earn more material gains. So we have to be extremely cautious when dealing with this matter. And Allaah knows best.



Al-Majma’ al-Fiqhi, p. 34.

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abou haytam

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How can he treat his two wives fairly?​

Question:

Is it permissable for a man to be unfair to his wife if he has two wives or one of his wives by not splitting up up the time properly . he sometimes leaves the second wife house two or three hours late causing the first wife to be upset because of his lateness .

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

Islam requires the man who has more than one wife to treat his wives equally and fairly.

What is meant by that is fairness with regard to spending the night, accommodation, spending and clothing.

What is meant by fairness in spending the night is that he should divide his time equally among his wives, so if he spends one or two nights with the first, he must spend the same amount of time with each of his wives.

Al-Shaafa’i said:

The Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah and the view of most of the Muslim scholars indicate that the man must divide his time, night and day, among his wives, and must divide it equally, and that he is not allowed to be unfair in that.

Al-Umm, 5/110

What is meant by fairness in accommodation is that each of them should have her own accommodation where he comes to her, and their accommodation should not vary with the intention of favouring one over the other.

Ibn Qudaamah said:

The man does not have the right to make his two wives live together in one house without their consent, whether they are young or old, because that causes them harm due to the enmity and jealousy that exists between them, so making them live together provokes arguments and fighting, and each of them can hear sounds when he is intimate with the other, or she can see that. But if they agree to that then it is permissible, because they have that right but they are also allowed to forego it.

Al-Mughni, 7/229.

Al-Kaasaani said:

If the husband wants her (his wife) to live with her co-wife or her in-laws, such as his mother, sister or daughter from another wife, or with his relatives, and she refuses, then he must accommodate her in a separate house, because they may annoy her or harm her if she lives with them. Her refusal is an indication of that annoyance and harm. Also he needs to be able to have intercourse with her and be intimate with her at any time that suits him, and that is not possible if a third person is present.

Badaa’i al-Sanaa’i’, 4/23.

What is meant by fairness in spending and clothing is that he should spend on them as much as he can afford.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

With regard to fairness in spending and clothing, this is also Sunnah, following the example of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), He used to spend equally on his wives, and also used to divide his time equally among them.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 32/269.

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to treat them equally as regards staying the night, spending time with them and spending on them.



Zaad al-Ma’aad, 1/151

With regard to other things, it does not matter if he does not treat them equally, such as giving a gift to one of them, or being more inclined towards one of them in his heart, or giving her more clothing than he is obliged to, or having intercourse with one of them more than another, without intending to harm the other. But if he treats them all equally that is better.

Ibn Qudaamah said:

He does not have to treat his wives equally in spending and clothing if he does what he is required for each of them.

Ahmad said – concerning a man who had two wives – he has the right to give one more than the other with regard to spending, desire and clothing, if the other has enough, and he may buy a finer garment for her, so long as the other has enough.

This is because it is too difficult to treat them equally with regard to all these matters, and if it were made obligatory he would not be able to do it, except with great difficulty. This is why it is not obligatory, such as treating them equally with regard to intercourse.

Al-Mughni, 7/232.

Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said:

If he gives each of them her rights with regard to clothing, spending and spending time with them, then it does not matter if his heart is inclined more towards one or if he gives one a gift…

Fath al-Baari, 9/391.

Al-Nawawi said:

Our companions said: If he treats them equally (in the matters where that is required), he does not have to treat them equally with regard to intercourse, rather he should stay overnight with all of them but he does not have to have intercourse with each of them. He may have intercourse with some of them when it is their turn for him to stay with them and not others. But it is mustahabb for him not to neglect intimacy with some of them and to treat them all equally in this matter.

Sharh Muslim, 10/46.

Ibn Qudaamah said:

We do not know of any dispute among the scholars regarding the fact that it is not obligatory to treat one's wives equally as regards intercourse, which is the view of Maalik and al-Shaafa’i, because intercourse has to do with desire and inclination, and there is no way to treat them equally in this regard. A man's heart may incline more to one of them than the other. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“You will never be able to do perfect justice between wives even if it is your ardent desire”

[al-Nisa’ 4:129]

‘Ubaydah al-Salmaani said concerning love and intercourse:

If you are able to treat them equally with regard to intercourse, that is better, because it is more fair and just… But it is not obligatory to treat them equally with regard to intimacy that is less than intercourse, kissing, touching, etc, because if it is not essential to treat them equally with regard to intercourse, then that applies even more to the things that lead to it.
Al-Mughni, 7/234, 235.

Secondly:

With regard to the husband going out when it is one wife’s turn, if that is because of some need and he does not intend to hurt her and he is not going out to the other wife, there is nothing wrong with that in sha Allaah. The basis of equal sharing of time is staying the night: he has to spend most of the night with the wife whose turn it is. Allaah has not created any hardship in religion, and it does not prevent the husband from going out or going shopping or attending classes during the time of one of his wives, if he does not intend to hurt her by going out, and he does not spend most of the night outside the house of the wife whose turn it is.

Dr Ahmad Rayaan said:

Some of the scholars have spoken in strict terms about fairness in dividing his time, and they say that everyone who goes against that is not treating his wives equally. Some of them even say that if he comes to the first wife after sunset and to the second after ‘Isha’, he is not treating them equally.

What that means is that the husband must finish with all his business during the day, before the sun goes down, so that he can control the time when he goes to his wives each day, so that he goes at a specific hour each day. That may have been possible in the past when life was simpler and there were less necessities and people could live with less. But it is not possible now. How many men now can regulate their movements in such a way as to make sure they enter the house before the sun goes down each day, so that their division of time and their spending the night with each wife is completely equal?

Rather it is more appropriate to suggest that he must spend most of the night in the house, without specifying the time when he should come in or go out, because his living circumstances or other people’s rights or the pursuit of knowledge and other circumstances may require him to go home late or leave home early. So what matters is that he should stay with the wife whose turn it is for most of the night, because the point of staying with his wife is to keep her company and be intimate with her, which can be achieved by the husband spending most of the night with her. We have seen from the ahaadeeth quoted above the way in which this division of time was achieved in the family of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him. The fact that he visited his other wives by night or by day, or met with them in the house of the wife whose turn it was did not contradict this fair division of time, even though it is well known that these visits and meetings might detract somewhat from the rights of the wife whose night it was, because it took some of her own time, and she had the exclusive right to this time where the others did not.

Hence I think that what matters with regard to the issue of dividing the husband’s time among his wives is that he should spend most of the night with her whilst stipulating that his coming late should not be done with the intention of harming the wife whose night it is, rather it is the result of the husband’s everyday work.

And Allaah knows best.

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abou haytam

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You can't imagine it because it would enrage you, yes? It would disgust you, yes? I like to think that my husband shares his full embodiment and self with me......things sacred between us. Aside from physical connection with other women, it would drive me nuts knowing that he could be having that closeness with another.......it is just a bad situation now a days. Forgive me if I too am harsh but this is just something that I have very STRONG opinions about.....May God forgive me but he knows my intentions behind my thoughts.

Ibn Qudaamah said:

We do not know of any dispute among the scholars regarding the fact that it is not obligatory to treat one's wives equally as regards intercourse, which is the view of Maalik and al-Shaafa’i, because intercourse has to do with desire and inclination, and there is no way to treat them equally in this regard. A man's heart may incline more to one of them than the other. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“You will never be able to do perfect justice between wives even if it is your ardent desire”

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abou haytam

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Conditions for plural marriage​

Question:

on what conditions is it allowed for a muslim to marry more than one wife?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Marrying more than one wife is a matter which is recommended, subject to certain conditions: that the man be financially and physically able for it, and that he be able to treat his wives justly.

Plural marriage brings a lot of benefits, including protecting the chastity of the women whom he marries, bringing people closer together, and producing a lot of children. This is what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) referred to when he said: “Marry the one who is loving and fertile”. And it serves a lot of other purposes. But for a man to marry more than one wife by way of boasting and taking that as a challenge to prove himself, this is a form of extravagance and extravagance is forbidden. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“and waste not by extravagance. Verily, He likes not al-musrifoon (those who waste by extravagance)”[al-An’aam 6:141]


Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, from Kitaab Fataawa Islamiyyah, vol. 3, p. 205.
 

abou haytam

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She is very anxious because the second wife may inherit the same as her​

Question:

My father took a second wife a while ago, after being married to my mother for twenty-five years. Since that time my mother has been depressed because this woman may inherit the same as her, and she says: I have been suffering all these years, then this woman comes and gets the same inheritance as I will get; I will never accept that. When I asked a Shaykh about this matter, he said that in his country there is a custom in inheritance whereby the second wife does not inherit from the property that was present during the man’s first marriage and during the second marriage, both wives inherit from whatever extra property there is. Is this correct? Is there any other solution?.

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

Allaah has permitted a man to be married to one or two, up to four, at any one time, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice”

[al-Nisa’ 4:3]

If a man takes a second wife then he dies, both wives share the inheritance, and one does not get more than the other. They are both included in the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“their (your wives) share is a fourth if you leave no child; but if you leave a child, they get an eighth of that which you leave after payment of legacies that you may have bequeathed or debts”

[al-Nisa’ 4:12]

This is the ruling of Allaah, Who is the wisest of Judges and the most Merciful of those who show mercy. Every believing man and woman must submit to this and humble themselves, and not feel resentment towards the ruling of Allaah and what He has prescribed in sharee’ah, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allaah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allaah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error”

[al-Ahzaab 33:36]

“But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad ) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission”

[al-Nisa’ 4:36]

Our advice to your respected mother is to fear Allaah and to accept what He has decreed, and to have certain faith that the ruling of Allaah is just, merciful, good and right. “And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?” [al-Maa'idah 5:50].

She should be very wary of turning away from the ruling of Allaah or rejecting it, or feeling anxious because of it, because that is a serious matter.

No one knows whether he will be an heir or the one from whom others inherit, so why should he become so attached to worldly things and feel content with them whilst losing his religious commitment by turning away and not accepting what Allaah has decreed?

Secondly:

The property that was present during the first marriage falls into two categories:

1 – That which has passed from the husband’s possession to the wife’s by being given as a gift or because it is part of her dowry etc. This is the property of the wife and does not form part of the husband’s estate if he dies. For example, if the husband gives his wife a house, gold or furniture, or if the gold or furniture was part of the dowry, as is the custom in some countries.

2 – That which belonged to the husband and still belonged to him until he died. This is included in his estate and it should be divided among all his heirs according to their shares. For example, if the husband had real estate or money, which he took possession of before his first marriage, or after that, or after his second marriage, and it did not cease to be his property by being given as a gift, etc. This is included in his estate after he dies.

Perhaps what the Shaykh you refer to said applied to the furnishings of the house etc, which in some countries people regard as being part of the wife’s dowry, so it belongs to her and is not included in the husband’s estate.

Similarly, the delayed portion of the dowry belongs to the wife and she may take it from the estate before it is divided, because it comes under the same ruling as a debt.

Some husbands give the first wife some money or property that is to belong to her. If this is done before the second marriage takes place, there is nothing wrong with it, but if it is done after that it is not permissible unless he gives the second wife something similar. The Standing Committee for Research and Issuing Fatwas was asked: I have two wives and I want to buy gold for one of them as a gift. Is it permissible for me to do that? Or is this regarded as not treating co-wives fairly? Please note that I am not falling short with regard to the rights of the other wife.

They replied: Whoever has two or more wives must treat them fairly. It is not permissible for him to single out one of his wives in any way to the exclusion of the other(s) with regard to spending, accommodation and spending time with them. There is a stern warning issued to the one who has two wives and does not treat them equally. It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever has two wives and favours one of them over the other will come on the Day of Resurrection with half of his body leaning.” Narrated by Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad (2/295, 347, 471). Al-Nasaa’i and Ibn Maajah narrated something similar in their Sunans.

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever has two wives and inclines more towards one of them will come on the Day of Resurrection with half his body leaning.” Narrated by Abu Dawood in his Sunan (2/601). Al-Tirmidhi narrated a similar report in his Jaami’.

This evidence indicates that it is essential to treat co-wives fairly and that it is haraam for the husband to favour one of them more than the other, apart from the inclination of the heart, for the inclination of the heart cannot be controlled. Hence the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say: “O Allaah, this is my division in that over which I have control, so do not call me to account for that over which I have no control” (i.e., the love of the heart).

Based on that, it is not permissible for this husband to give things that he owns to one wife and not to the other. If he gives a house etc to one of his wives then he must treat all his wives equally and also give the same to all of his wives, or something of equal value, unless the second wife lets him off. End quote from Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (16/189).

And Allaah knows best.

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dianek

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Then in modern society, what is the point to have multiple wives if your heart leans to one in particular? You should just be married to her.......it makes the others just "servicers".
 

abou haytam

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continuing of previous article:

Owuamanam argued that as a result of there being fewer children requiring attention, monogamous homes provide more intimate contact with significant others than in polygamous homes, despite being smaller in size. In terms of effects on academic achievement, Cherian (1990) found that mean achievement scores were significantly lower for children of polygamous versus monogamous families, speculating that the conflict, anxiety and stress resulting from co-wife and step-sibling rivalry impedes academic progress. Further, children have less contact with their father, and consequently, less security.

One theme is that relationships between husbands and wives are defined by the difficulties inherent in plural marriage by patriarchal norms. Polygamy is practised among groups that have strongly patriarchal values, and may not believe in gender equality. While competition between wives for economic benefits, status and affection is at the root of many of the problems that exist in polygamous marriages, the subordination of women also defines the relationship between the husband and each wife (Altman 1993; Elbedour et al. 2002; Al-Krenawi and Graham 1999; Agadjanian and Ezeh 2000). Even in cultures where conflict among wives and children is limited and polygamy is strongly encouraged by the community, unequal treatment of wives, mistreatment of women and jealousy are consistently identified as the difficulties experienced in polygamous families (Madhavan 2002; Altman and Ginat 1996).

Research across cultures consistently reveals that women in polygamous families experience greater emotional and mental health difficulties than women in monogamous relations, while the children of polygamous families are more likely to have limited educational achievement and experience emotional difficulties (Committee on Polygamous Issues 1993; Al-Krenawi 2001; Al-Krenawi and Lightman 2000; Al-Krenawi and Graham 1999; Al-Krenawi et al. 1997). However, the effects of polygamy are mediated by such factors as socio-economic status, level of education, community support, cultural acceptance, size of the family, co-wife co-operation and conflict resolution mechanisms (Elbedour et al. 2002; Al-Krenawi et al. 2002; Madhavan 2002; Gwanfogbe et al. 1997).

There is also consensus internationally that teachers, social workers and community organizations require increased awareness of the needs and experiences of women and children living in polygamous families (Al-Krenawi et al. 2002; Elbedour 2002). An appreciation of the stigma that members of plural families face in the broader community is also necessary. The members of polygamous families often experience rejection and ridicule from the wider community, which is a source of stress and discomfort. As Altman and Ginat (1996: 438) identified, members of these communities often feel "isolated, rejected, misunderstood, and even threatened" by society, thereby contributing to the secrecy and protectionism that pervades polygamous communities, particularly in North America. Members of polygamous families in North America must constantly negotiate the demands of their immediate family unit and their religious community against the pressures from the broader society which rejects their way of life.


salam sister;

Bewar of chalenging allah's law by non-muslim articl. I can post 1000 articl to show how red wine have benifit for humain health. Is this make allah Worng when he(swt) allow the polygamy and forbid alcohol ??

your articl talk about men and women far from sunnah and they are muslim just by names.

Our best exemple to folow is our prophet(pbuh) he was married to more than 4 wives ( as it s special for prophet(pbuh) and just prophet(pbuh) to marry more than 4 , i hope this don t shock you too ), i chalenge you to bring one signl situation where he(pbuh)was unjust toward his wives. Those brothers willing to have more than one wife should follow our prophet (pbuh) sunnah especialy the way he(pbuh) treat his(pbuh) wives.

My question sister, what is the point behind posting this articl??

salam o alikom
 

muharram23

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Then in modern society, what is the point to have multiple wives if your heart leans to one in particular? You should just be married to her.......it makes the others just "servicers".

Salamu alaykum

Sister diane, I believe that there was enough explanation on this matter to you. However, you say that you don't have anything against it in the quran and sunnah but you keep on bringing up constanly new issues. "Then why this and that". If you don't like it or don't accept it, then just keep it to yourself and don't try to impose that thought on the others. This way, you just spread fitnah(misconceptions,turbulations) to others who have a weak faith as well. There were enough of postings that brothers and sisters posted here on the issues dealt with scholars of this ummah, but it just doesnt seem to answer ur questions or any other sisters who feel the same way as you. Just one thing, good you didnt live 2-3 hundred yrs ago, or before islam, there were no limits to how many women a man could take. Remember Prophet Solomon who had 700 women and 300 cucumbines (slave girls). Other men and kings used to have 100s of women, but when islam came, it made a stop to that and only set the limit to 4. Actually, islam is the only religion that says marry 1 woman, but no other religion has a limit to number, it's just what people came up with today who like to have a 1 wife and multiple girlfriends, while islam gives the right to mulitple halal wives and no girlfriends.
Nevertheless, we have no right to discuss on this matter. This religion is complete. Some things we have to accept and say "I believe and submit myself to Allah sva and His messengers" even though we dont understand the issue. We can never understand Allahs inteligence but we know that there is benefit in whatever He sva allowed and there is harm in whatever he forbid.
It is normal for woman to be jealous on that matter, just like aisha ra was always jealous on resullah svs mentioning his wife KHatijaah who was his first and the first to accept in islam. But this should not a cause the women to be rebelious to this deen otherwise it will cause her to be disobedient to ALlah sva.
While this thread seems like it has no end, i am going to close it. There is no room in islaam for opinions. This religion is complete and not like any other religion which is based on opinions and desires. But if you are not able to understand the issue on polygamy, be patient and ask ALlah sva to give you the faith and accept his religion in fully as Allah sva says in the quraan,

O ye who believe! Enter into Islam whole-heartedly; and follow not the footsteps of the evil one; for he is to you an avowed enemy. (2:208)

It is not permissible for us to take one part of this religion and then reject the other part. This ajjah was revealed to the jews who were wanting to become muslim but still wanted to have their things they used to do before so Allah sva told them to reject everything and fully enter into AL-islaam.

May Allah sva give us the understanding of his religion.

Ps u can alway PM if you have questions.

Allah knows best

Wasalam
 
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