Prophet Lut (PBUH)

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    The Advent of Prophet Lut

    The Prophet Lut (peace be upon him) was contemporary of Prophet Ibrahim (peace be upon him). He was a nephew and follower of the Faith of his uncle. He was the resident of Ur, an ancient town in Mesopotamia. God conferred prophethood upon him. He was commanded to leave his native land and go to Sodom and Gomorra to warn and reform the people who were indulged in grave sins such as homosexual intercourse and robbery. The Holy Quran says:

    "And Lut (remember) when he said to his folk: Will you commit abomination such as no creature ever did before. Lo! you come with lust unto men instead of women. Nay, but you are wanton folk." (Surah 7: Verses 80-81)

    In another Verse the Holy Quran throws a light on the character of those sinning people. It says:

    "What? Do you not come to males and commit robbery on the highways and do evil deeds in your meeting?" (Surah 29: Verse 29)

    The Prophet Lut Preaches and is Opposed

    The Prophet Lut (peace be upon him) was an alien to those people. He began to preach the religion of God energetically. He advised the people to guard themselves against the punishment from God. He exhorted them to abandon sinful ways. He told them that God had created woman for them to satisfy their lust. They did not listen to the admonitions of their Prophet. They ridiculed and threatened him of dire consequences. They retorted that he would be expelled from that town in case he did not stop preaching and rebuking them. The Holy Quran affirms:

    "And the answer of his people was only that they said (to one another): Turn them out of your township. They are folk who seek to keep pure." (Surah 7: Verse 82)

    The same idea is expressed in the following Verses:

    "They said: If you desist not, O' Lut, you will soon be of the outcast. He said: I am, in fact, of those who hate your conduct. My Lord! save me and my household from what they do." (Surah 26: Verses 167-169)

    Gradually time passed by and the Prophet Lut (peace be upon him) did not achieve remarkable success on reforming those sinful persons. They were shamelessly addicted to grave sins and his warnings simply exasperated them.

    Angels Appear as Guests

    One day, three angels in the disguise of handsome young boys came to Prophet Lut (peace be upon him) and they conveyed to him a special message from Almighty Allah.

    The Prophet Lut (peace be upon him) and his followers were directed to leave the town because something very dreadful was going to happen. When the people got wind of the visit of charming boys they tried to invade the house of Prophet Lut (peace be upon him) and demanded of him to deliver the guests to them. The Prophet was much upset and he said:

    "O' my people! Here are my daughters! They are purer for you! Beware of Allah and degrade me not in (the presence of) my guests. Is there not among you any upright man ?" (Surah 11: Verse 78)

    They rejected this appeal of the Prophet and said:

    "Well, you know that we have no right to your daughters and well, you know what we want." (Surah 11: Verse 79)

    The Prophet was much disappointed and said:

    "Would that I had strength to resist you or had some strong support." (Surah 11: Verse 80)

    The Angels Convey Message

    The Prophet Lut (peace be upon him) warned the people of the inevitable punishment in case they insisted on committing indecency. They laughed and doubted his character. When all efforts were ended in smoke, the angels who were in the form of human beings, said:

    "O' Lut, Lo! We are messengers of thy Lord; they shall not reach thee. So travel with thy people in a part of the night and not one of you turn round all save thy wife." (Surah 11: Verse 81)

    The Prophet Lut is Delivered and his Nation Destroyed

    The Prophet Lut (peace be upon him) and his adherents left the city in the fagging part of the night and took shelter in a place of safety. Soon after an uproar took place. A sudden tremendous noise shock the earth. It was a scary and dreadful earthquake. The houses crumbled down and lofty buildings smashed to nothing but rubble. The rocks that went up in the air hit those who tried to escape. All arrogant sinners were completely destroyed.

    The Prophet Lut (peace be upon him) and his followers were saved but his wife could not survive because she sympathized with the sinners. The Holy Quran gives a brief description of this mishap in the following Verses:

    "Then the (awful) cry overtook them at the sunrise: And We utterly confounded them, and We rained upon them stones of heated clay. Lo! therein verily are portents for those who read the signs." (Surah 15: Verses 73-75)

    The Prophet Lut (peace be upon him) was admitted to God's mercy and was declared to be one of the righteous. He died in Palestine and was buried at Bani Na'ima near Hebron.
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    asalaamu alaykum, so where did the story of lut's daughters having sex with him come from, like the christians believe? eeew how can they even come up with a story like that anyway
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    First, you have to remember Christianity and Judaism have different opinions to Islam in the attributes, character, moral rectitude and protection given to a 'Prophet' by Allah. Second, not all Prophets in Islam are recognised as 'apostles', but only as holy men and as such, their actions are not as wrong in comparison to a true spiritual lawgiver. David, Solomon, Job, Lot and Ishmael are not Prophets according to the Judaism and Christianity.
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    In both Christianity and Judaism, the episode you mentioned of incest is in Chapter 19 of the Book of Genesis of the Old Testament (in the Bible). The story is that the only survivors of Sadum and Gomorrah were three people; Lut (Alaysalam) and his two daughters. After the destruction of their cities, they retired to a nearby cave where they decided to rest for a while. Lut (Alaysalam) went to sleep and the two unmarried daughters then had a discussion about their future.

    The elder of the two said to her sister that as there were no longer any men for them to marry, they should become pregnant by their father. In this way, both daughters made him drunk so that he would not resist nor have any recollection of the events and eventually both had a son by him. The two sons progeny and descendants later were blessed by Allah.
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    That is a lot of misinformation.

    What bible? And the Torah is not the Bible.

    David has always been recognized as a prophet. Where did you get that?

    Please give us sources.
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    Before I give my reply, I wish to say I have never said that these were my personal opinions, nor did I say that Islam believes these beliefs to be true. I have only said that these things are part of Christian and Jewish religious ideology. As a Muslim, I reject it. My response to Sister Aapia is below-

    The Torah, when spoken of by Jews and Christians, is regarded as the Old Testament of the Bible. Verification of this can be found below-

    http://www.jewfaq.org/torah.htm (Jewish source)

    http://www.catholic.com/quickquesti...h-and-the-old-testament-in-the-catholic-bible (Catholic Source)

    The story of the alleged incestuous relationship between Lut (AS) and his two daughters can be found in the first book of the Old Testament, known as Genesis in Chapter 19: 30-38.

    This is further confirmed by a Christian speaker in the following YouTube speech-

    (4:31-5:02) he also confirms the so-called blessing of the two sons born of Lut (AS) and his two daughters.

    The Bible is a collection of ancient books compiled and made into one text and further divided into two sections; the Old Testament, which as mentioned earlier is the Torah and the New Testament is about Christianity and Jesus. Verification of this can be found at-

    http://christianity.about.com/od/glossary/qt/Bible-Definition.htm (Christian website)
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    Brother, this is not entirely accurate. From my understanding, raised a Christian, and also the Catholic reference you cite, the Torah forms only part of the Old Testament. The Old Testament is 46 books, the 5 of the Torah plus another 41 which have no links to the Torah or even Judaism.
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    Just for information... The Old Testament has 39 books total, which consist of . . .

    Pentateuch--5 books
    Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.

    Historical Books--12 books
    Joshua, Judges, Ruth, First Samuel, Second Samuel, First Kings, Second Kings,
    First Chronicles, Second Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther

    Poetic books--5 books
    Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon

    Prophetic books--17 books
    Major Prophets--Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel
    Minor Prophets--Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi

    The Torah is found in the Pentateuch. Not being Jewish I can't say what value they place on the Old Testament prophets or what is included in the Tamud etc. But I should think the Old Testament prophets are considered part of the Jewish scriptures. The catholic Bible contains the extra deuterocanoical books.

    Lot was never considered a prophet. David was a King and writing prophet, it is believed that many of the psalms are attributed to him. He prophesied the coming of Yeshua in many of these psalms.

    When you pass judgement on Lot and the account of his daughters incest. It should be clear that it should not be judged as a sin by later standards. Because you cannot know when God made incest a sin before or after this? ;) besides the daughters felt the need to trick Lot into this situation so they must have doubted he would have agreed if he were in the right state of mind. As YHWH blessed the sons then can we assume that either it was not seen then as a sin or it was forgiven. Either way it's not for us to judge.

    Peace.
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    Thank you both for your comments. I made general comments towards what is understood as the Torah by Jews and Christians. There are variations in what constitutes and is accepted as the Old Testament as you both have said.

    Obviously, you both have specialised knowledge and I don't doubt the authenticity of your responses. Perhaps you could have answered the questions the first time instead of me.
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    I sincerely believe if we take a moment to study the history of biblical research we find fascinating information. We are blessed by the Quran. It corrects human error.

    However, I suggest that you become familiar with the history of the Scofield Bible. The political and social agenda for this publication is mindblowing. The bases for this version of the Bible is to further the Zionist agenda.

    (Keep in mind Christianity is so splintered today that most Christians have no clue what they believe. Christians will argue with you that they are Christian and Catholicism is a strange religion. The Evangelicals have no notion of the basis of the Trinity. There is Jesus, the savior and Father God. Go figure. They are saved and can do anything because there is no need for individual accountability. Ask them why and they will tell you because Jesus died for their sins. But, of all religions one thing that amazes me about Christians is they are generous. They give without thinking. )
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    :) the very idea that we can do anything.. I am assuming you talk of sin here.. Because there is no individual accountability. This is not so, I like you answer for my sin. :) the difference being the penalty has been paid for me you will have to pay your own. Or maybe you see God will arbitrarily forgive or not forgive sins. However, without the penalty which God decrees, as I see it that would be against Gods nature of being just.

    If one is to be a true Christian that is to follow Yeshua and His teaching one has to be generous and freely giving of our persons and our wealth because wealth in this world means nothing only accept what it can achieve for those less fortunate than oneself. One also has to be forgiving of those who do us harm and loving towards our fellow man.. Even if they despise us. To be less is to disappoint The Lord our God.

    Of course not all Christians do reach this level all of the time.. And sadly some of them don't even try to. A "version" of the Bible is not the Bible. We may have many translations but only one Bible.

    Blessings.
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    I thought your response was very good. :) I would have answered but have been away for awhile. Although I do not claim any specialist knowledge just a lifelong love of God and His Word Yeshua. :)
    Blessings
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    Most Christians have the erroneous understanding that the blood of Jesus was spilled to save mankind. His blood washed away the sins of the world.

    Yes, sins. Isn't holy communion which is celebrated at least one Sunday of the month the drinking of the blood to wash away sins. In the strict Catholic version the wine becomes the blood and the wafer becomes the body.

    There are only versions of the Bible. There is no authentic Bible. There is no one text that is common to all Christianity. ( I know we have had many a thread on this subject so this is getting redundant.)
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    There is nothing erroneous about Yeshuas teachings. You do not hold to them that is fine. The forgiveness of sins is based on Yeshuas death. Yeshua is called, "The Lamb of God that beareth away the sin of the world." In telling of His death that Christians have always observed, Yeshua said, "This is my blood of the covenant which is poured our for many unto remission of sin." Forgiveness and cleansing from sin are always based on the fact of the shedding of Yeshuas blood as the "Lamb of God." By accepting Yeshua we can be repentant before YHWH. The penalty is paid. You do not I think believe sin bears a penalty. As Christians we know that we cannot save ourselves by our own efforts, as sinners we are not righteous enough to stand before YHWH. It's a gift you accept or do not. Yet... It does not follow that we can just merrily sin our way through life without consequence. What an insult and abuse such behaviour would be.

    The Eucharist is the sign of the new Covenant we have that was mediated by Yeshua ...
    ***
    And while they were at supper, Jesus took bread and blessed and broke and gave it to His disciples and said, "Take you and eat, this is my Body." And taking the chalice He gave thanks and gave it to them saying, "Drink you all of this. For this is my Blood of the New Testament which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins." (Matthew 26:26-28)***

    And again here...

    ***I tell you most solemnly, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you will not have life in you. Anyone who does eat my flesh and drink my blood has eternal life and I shall raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me and I live in Him. As I, who am sent by the living Father, myself draw life from the Father, so whoever eats me will draw life from me. This is the bread come down from heaven; not like the bread our ancestors ate. They are dead, but anyone who eats this bread will live forever. (John 6: 53-58)***

    What you say of the Bible is your opinion and belief which you are entitled to. As you imply it is not worth debate. You have a vested interest in the belief of Bible corruption.. It matters not to me. :)

    Blessings. ​
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    Wow...

    OK....lets go back to something simpler, InshaAllah.

    This is not a Christian/Muslim debate....

    We are given such simplicity in the Quran that we complicate matters.

    We are told that there existed two cities. These cities were the hotbed of unholy. You name it and they did it. Now, for simpletons like me we have examples today.

    Can you imagine the beauty of arts and music and crafts and drama and dancing and the fabulous clothes, the perfumes..as we know the gay culture in our lifetimes is one of ornamentation and ostentation. The nature of man has not changed. The gay world has always been associated with culture throughout the ages and cultures. High society would be boring without the gay community adding color.

    We are told in the Quran there were civilizations so advanced we have little knowledge of them as Allah, swt, destroyed them. We are given examples of societies that cheated, that robbed, that were ungrateful for gardens and Sodom and Gomorrah are examples of mankind gone crazy, yet again.

    We just have to look around and see what stupidity the peoples of those places did. That simple. They were not poor. Who has time to have decadent parties if you are poor? You think about shelter and food. The unholy acts were not a once in a year thing...they had their way with whatever and whoever they wanted whenever they wanted.

    These people had nerve. They came to the home of the only righteous man in town and demanded to take his guests. ( Just be glad the US government does not get hold of the drug these people were on). Can you imagine here you are praying and there is knock on the door. You would be glad if Homeland Security showed up, they just want to frisk you, not have sex with your guests.

    Knock knock...the gowns must have been lavish...the pedicures and manicures, the bodies must have been waxed and perfumed....each set of eyes descending upon the exotic visitors....devouring them instantly.

    The man of Allah swt tells them to slow down brothers...if you need to have your bodily needs fulfilled marry my daughters......no..as the songster sings...I want it all and I want it now...the glitter and glitz...

    Lut, the righteous man, the nephew of Ibrahim, wow..wow..wow...and you know what he was ready to do for Allah, swt. left with his family. One of his wives..poor thing...had to look at the glitter and glitz of the cities...kinda sorta like the whole city is lit up and dancing, one more time..

    Allah swt told them to behave. That simple. Do not indulge in what I tell you is not good for you..because I said so.

    Can you imagine a city being uprooted, turned upside down and thrown back to Earth, and the stuff...the brimstone, a shower of lights and fire...wow...

    To this day the nature of the substances that cover the cities are not totally identified. Wow.

    Instead of arguing lets take a moment and think...this is one of many examples of the Will of Allah,swt.

    May Allah swt protect us from our own lusts.
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    Lol... Truly I just answered your question, there is no need of further elaboration or debate. :)

    I like your vivid interpretation of Lots story. Although I do not see Lot as a prophet but a righteous man, his actions were not always so noble, for a man to offer his daughters to such men as the type that came calling at his door. :( not good husband material. So on that count he did not have the best interests or care for his daughters. Ya.

    However, the Bible shows YHWH forgave Lot his transgression and sought to use him to His divine will so that is enough for me. :) and I agree we should all be aware of the trappings of decadent lifestyles and where such choices may lead us into sin.

    Trust in The Lord. :)

    Blessings.
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    The reason there is no need for discussion or debate is simple...have many threads on the issues of the veracity of the many versions of the bibles on TTI.

    The fact that you use YHWH makes you Jewish does it not? Or a Jehovah's Witness ( that history is crazy...make a bet with your father to see who can come up with the most converts!!!!). The Jews did not wish to pronounce the name of the Lord. If that is what you profess then you can not by definition make Jesus, the Christ your savior. Non sequester.

    It is not the individual that makes a prophet. Prophethood is right given by Allah, swt.

    Anyhow, not here to change your faith.

    Once Truth arrives all falsehood perishes.
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    No.. It does not make me Jewish or a Jehovah's Witness.. Heaven forbid. :)

    I am just as happy to use the term God, just YHWH is more personal, and I prefer Yeshua but I am just as happy with Jesus, or the Christ. :)

    That is an odd idea that a prophet would be chosen by any other than God... YHWH. :) I was just saying Lot was not chosen by God as a prophet in the Bible. Anyway I think that the whole issue of prophets, messengers, apostles and disciples are understood differently between us.

    Sometimes people are blinded by falsehoods masquerading as truth. ;)

    Blessings
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    Equal blessings to you.

    You are not Muslim as all Muslims realize what I quoted.

    I wish you well.
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    Thank you Cariad, as someone who is not, and has never been a Christian, I cannot claim a personal connection to learning and understanding Christianity since childhood, in the way some people like yourself can. I have read the KJV, the Revised Standard version, the Good News Bible and I have a few others as e-book attachments which I consult for reference. I started my research into Christianity when I attended a Catholic school in my teenage years.

    While this is in no way sufficient to know, identify and understand everything about the Bible or Christianity in general, it does help as a first step.

    As a Muslim, I do not accept the Biblical story about Lut (AS). In Islam, as you are probably aware, he is spoken of as a Prophet and bestowed with several titles of righteousness and the episode in this thread is rejected as something that not only never happened, but is beyond possibility for a Prophet in general.

    However, I accept this story is from the Bible and is scripturally recognised as true by both Christians and Jews, so I will leave it at that.
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