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http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32137
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lostlilly07
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a_brother
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Your question has two parts. If someone try to answer it than he/she should answer two questions.
1. Quran was revealed to Mohammad(ﷺ). Is that part was really safe. It means prophet really have connection to Allah.
2. Second question is about the reaching of Quran from Prophet(ﷺ)'s hearts to this ummah.
Your first question can be answered if someone proove that Muhammad(ﷺ) was really a prophet.
and second question can be answered by giving the method of preservation of Quran used during 1400 years. Actually i am waiting for some other brother to answer because i can not give refrence.(lack of resources)
1. Quran was revealed to Mohammad(ﷺ). Is that part was really safe. It means prophet really have connection to Allah.
2. Second question is about the reaching of Quran from Prophet(ﷺ)'s hearts to this ummah.
Your first question can be answered if someone proove that Muhammad(ﷺ) was really a prophet.
and second question can be answered by giving the method of preservation of Quran used during 1400 years. Actually i am waiting for some other brother to answer because i can not give refrence.(lack of resources)
a_brother
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Brother, why go in a circle?????
a human being errors, Allah does NOT error.... If no error in Quran, then Quran from Allah... easy and sample!!!
Hello, I would really like to give an answer, but find myself short on time and ability, regardless I hope this will be of use:
Is it true that there is no evidence of a Qur’aan being written in the 7th century?
I was womndering if it is true that there is no evidence that there is no trace of a Qu'ran being written in the 7 th century
Praise be to Allaah.
This is a false and incorrect statement made by those who try to find faults with Islam so as to put people off this religion. It is sufficient to know that Allaah has guaranteed to preserve the Qur’aan, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).” [al-Hijr 15:9]
Moreover, the fact that the transmission of the Qur’aan by memory and in writing was mutawaatir – narrated by groups to groups [to such an extent that so many people could not conceivably have agreed upon a lie] – is well known to anyone who has the slightest acquaintance with Islamic knowledge, especially knowledge of recitations and reciters.
There are still many people nowadays who have learned the Qur’aan orally, with isnaads directly going back to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
One of the miracles of Allaah’s protection of the Qur’aan is the fact that those who try to tamper with it are always found out.
The point is, everything that was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was written down in front of him straight away, and some of the Sahaabah had masaahif (written copies of the Qur’aan). After the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the first khaleefah, Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him) gathered the Qur’aan in written and kept it. Then the third khaleefah, ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) compiled it in mus-hafs that were based on the mus-haf compiled by Abu Bakr, in addition to what had been memorized.
When we realize that the Qur’aan was written down and compiled by the Sahaabah, and ‘Uthmaan sent copies of the Mus-haf during his reign to all the main centres of Islam, so that it would be a reference for them, and there were no disputes concerning them, then how can we say that there is no written trace of the Qur’aan in the seventh century? Moreover, there are several ancient manuscripts of the Qur’aan in libraries and museums which bear visible testimony to the fact that nothing has been changed in the Book of Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And verily, it is an honourable well‑fortified respected Book (because it is Allaah’s Speech, and He has protected it from corruption). Falsehood cannot come to it from before it or behind it, (it is) sent down by the All‑Wise, Worthy of all praise (Allaah).” [Fussilat 41:41-42]
And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
Is it true that there is no evidence of a Qur’aan being written in the 7th century?
I was womndering if it is true that there is no evidence that there is no trace of a Qu'ran being written in the 7 th century
Praise be to Allaah.
This is a false and incorrect statement made by those who try to find faults with Islam so as to put people off this religion. It is sufficient to know that Allaah has guaranteed to preserve the Qur’aan, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).” [al-Hijr 15:9]
Moreover, the fact that the transmission of the Qur’aan by memory and in writing was mutawaatir – narrated by groups to groups [to such an extent that so many people could not conceivably have agreed upon a lie] – is well known to anyone who has the slightest acquaintance with Islamic knowledge, especially knowledge of recitations and reciters.
There are still many people nowadays who have learned the Qur’aan orally, with isnaads directly going back to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
One of the miracles of Allaah’s protection of the Qur’aan is the fact that those who try to tamper with it are always found out.
The point is, everything that was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was written down in front of him straight away, and some of the Sahaabah had masaahif (written copies of the Qur’aan). After the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the first khaleefah, Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him) gathered the Qur’aan in written and kept it. Then the third khaleefah, ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) compiled it in mus-hafs that were based on the mus-haf compiled by Abu Bakr, in addition to what had been memorized.
When we realize that the Qur’aan was written down and compiled by the Sahaabah, and ‘Uthmaan sent copies of the Mus-haf during his reign to all the main centres of Islam, so that it would be a reference for them, and there were no disputes concerning them, then how can we say that there is no written trace of the Qur’aan in the seventh century? Moreover, there are several ancient manuscripts of the Qur’aan in libraries and museums which bear visible testimony to the fact that nothing has been changed in the Book of Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And verily, it is an honourable well‑fortified respected Book (because it is Allaah’s Speech, and He has protected it from corruption). Falsehood cannot come to it from before it or behind it, (it is) sent down by the All‑Wise, Worthy of all praise (Allaah).” [Fussilat 41:41-42]
And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
preserved Quran
The answer is in the Quran it self, if you really believe that is from The God ( this by signs and rules given in the Quran) . an ayat like " Inna nehnou nezelna ezikra ua inna lahoo lahafidhoune" and meny other ayaat tell that the Quran was preserved in the right way. I hope I give an answer
The answer is in the Quran it self, if you really believe that is from The God ( this by signs and rules given in the Quran) . an ayat like " Inna nehnou nezelna ezikra ua inna lahoo lahafidhoune" and meny other ayaat tell that the Quran was preserved in the right way. I hope I give an answer
Thank you for the replies.
I have heard stories of some qurans being burned because they were incorrect. But how do they know it is correct? And the ones they burnt is incorrect? It seems rather "human self serving" to do such a thing?
Its confusing to be to think of one book as incorrect and one correct.
I have heard stories of some qurans being burned because they were incorrect. But how do they know it is correct? And the ones they burnt is incorrect? It seems rather "human self serving" to do such a thing?
Its confusing to be to think of one book as incorrect and one correct.
A Kashmiri
Junior Member
Well if you are so eager to learn, then hearing stories and believing them doesnt go hand in hand.
Most Christian evangilists/ christian scholars accept the authenticity of Quran and its preservation from time immemorial.
If you have really read the threads i am sure it would have been clear to you.
Saying that how do we know what was burnt was incorrect ? is a foolish argument which has no base when you know that the Quran which was written by companions of Prophet under supervision of Prophet was in the hands of the Hafsa ( RA) - The wife of Prophet and it was the one which was used in making copies of it and sent to different places to be recited and memorised. Even today you will find those copies of Quran in museums around the world for instance one in Turkey.
Alhamdullilah Allah has kept the proof for the people who put insane arguments and claims as a proof to their wicked minds and loose tongues.
May Allah show you the way to make a logical argument.
Masallama
Salamalaykum,
Friend if ur questioning all this thing to know the truth with open mind then its really nice, as it will clear ur doubt and may Allah have his mecry on u in ur struggle to find the truth and grand u the true path to follow. Ameen.
Friend what u have said that "the Holy Quran was burned because they were incorrect". I m sorry to say it shows u lack of knowledge or u might be surfing on some anti Islamic site whose work is only to spread falsehood. If u want to learn about Islam come to Islamic forum like this one and read Holy Quran.
Anyways for ur answer. what u r saying is at the time of our third Chalip Osman (ra), as u might know that Holy Quran was remember/ safed in muslim heart they use to listen and bihard it directly from ur Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). as the truth(Islam) was spreading very rapidly, so people from every part started biharding it and writing in their style and as people from different location will have different accent and pronocation. so our third Chailp Osma (ra) has notice this and made copies of Quran in presence of many Hafiz-e-Quran (one who remember whole Quran) who learn directly from Prophet Mohammed (pubh) and from hard copy at ummatul momin Aisha (ra) wife of our prophet. and then he (our 3 chailp) order all should follow only this script not writen by them in there style, burn all the scripts writen in different regional languages.
As u may know that people may speak Arabic only but at different region the assent will be different. example take Moroco its arabic is very differ from arabic in Saudi Arab, another example of my place there is a lot of difference between north swedish and south swedish, though it is called swedish only. So to avoid this we follow one standard one which is in Arabic still the same in its orignal form and in other languages they r translations. Friend hope it might have clear ur doubt by the grace and mercy of Allah if at all friend its not clear I apologise and insha Allah here there r many knowledgeable brothers and sisters insha Allah they will make it more clear to u. Rest Allah knows the best.
May Allah have his mercy on all of us and show us the truth. Ameen.
Thank you for showing ur intrest in our Islam open mindedly.
a_brother
Make dua for us all
Hi moonnah
why not find out on your own... read Quran, and see if you see anything wrong with it!?
link to quran: http://quranexplorer.com/
here are some contradictions in Bible...
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32096
Happy 2BA Muslim
Islamophilic
Hi Moonnah (and welcome to TTI),
Allah revealed the Qur’ân to be His last, all-embracing scripture containing the final manifestation of the Divine Law. This necessitates that it has to be safeguarded from the mischievous hands of men and from all corruption. This protection has been a reality from the time the Qur’ân was revealed until today. It shall remain so until Allah inherits the Earth and everything on it. It contains no additions or deletions. It has reached us by so many chains of transmission that it is impossible for them to have conspired on a lie. It has been recorded and memorized innumerable times.
There has been no change in its text over time, not even in a single word. Some of those who have committed it to memory cannot speak Arabic; nevertheless, they recite it exactly as it was revealed.
Allah has guaranteed the integrity of the Qur’anic text. Allah says:
Verily, it is We who have sent down the Remembrance, and surely We will guard it from corruption.
Allah says:
And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change his words. And He is the all-Hearing, the All-Knowing.
As for the previous scriptures, they were for a limited duration of time. Allah gave human beings the responsibility of preserving them, and they lost them through corruption, alteration, and concealment. Allah says:
Verily, We revealed the Torah, wherein is guidance and light, by which the Prophets who submitted themselves passed judgment, and (likewise) did the rabbis and priests, as they were entrusted with the protection of Allah’s Book, and they were witnesses thereto.
The Qur’ân has been preserved in exactly the form it was revealed. This fact is agreed upon by all those who study the text of the Qur’an, both Muslim and Non-Muslim.
The preservation of the Qur’ân was achieved in many ways. During the lifetime of the Prophet (peace be upon him), the following factors facilitated its preservation:
1. The revelation came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) in a manner that was conducive to memorization. When he was asked how the revelation came to him, Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said:
“Sometimes, he comes to me like the clanging of a bell, and this is the most difficult for me. It weighs upon me and I commit to memory what he says. And sometimes the angel comes to me in the form of a man and speaks to me and I commit to memory what he says.”
2. The angel would review the Qur’ân with the Prophet. This would take place every year during the month of Ramadân. Gabriel would approach him every night in Ramadan and recite to him from the Qur’ân. In the final year of his life, Gabriel recited it to him twice during the month of Ramadân. All of this was out of the greatest care for the preservation of the Qur’ân and the accuracy of its recitation.
3. The revelation was recorded in writing and reviewed. The Messenger (peace be upon him) had scribes who would write down the revelation as it came down. He would then have it read to him again until he was sure that what was written was correct.
4. Only the Qur’ân was allowed to be recorded during the early years to prevent anything else from being confused with it, like the hadîth of the Prophet (peace be upon him) or commentary of the Qur’ân. After the Qur’ân was firmly established and there was no danger of it getting mixed up with other texts, he permitted other things to be written.
5. Learning and teaching the Qur’ân were actively encouraged. The Prophet (peace be upon him) used to encourage his Companions to learn and teach the Qur’ân and to memorize it and assist each other in memorizing it. He would have those most learned in the Qur’ân lead the prayers and lead the armies. There was a good reason for everybody to memorize the Qur’ân, for it is the book that must be recited during the obligatory prayers and its injunctions must be used as the basis for the activities of daily life.
5. The Arabs had very strong memories. They rarely missed anything. This was especially true for the Qur’ân, which came with the highest, most eloquent literary style that made memorizing it all the easier and more desirable. A great number of people memorized it and committed it to writing. It was memorized by young and old, men and women, city dwellers and Bedouins.
After the death of the Prophet (peace be upon him), the Companions were active in memorizing, recording, and preserving the Qur’ân. Two great historical events exemplify this:
1. During the reign of the first Caliph Abû Bakr al-Siddîq, many of the people who memorized the Qur’ân died in war. He and a few other leading Companions began to fear that the Qur’ân would be lost when the people who memorized it died off. He ordered that the Qur’ân should be compiled. Every written copy of the Qur’ân was referred to, even fragments written on wood or leather, and all those who memorized the Qur’ân were brought forward. Then the Qur’ân was brought together in one volume to be kept in the care of the Caliph and the Caliphs that succeed him.
2. The Arabs, by the grace of Allah, were allowed to recite the Qur’ân according to their various dialects to make things easy on them.
During the reign of the third Caliph, `Uthmân ibn `Affân, this started to cause some confusion among the Muslims, so he decreed that all Muslims must recite the Qur’ân in one manner, according to the dialect of Quraysh, the most prominent Arab tribe. He then had a number of copies made of the Qur’ân and had them distributed to the different provinces and major cities.
It has been confirmed by certain orientalists that some early scholars looked at the Uthmani manuscripts or copies of them in different cities of the Muslim world. Quatromere was among the most prominent of these, as indicated by Bergestrasser and Pretzel in their historical study of the text of the Qur’ân.
The famous explorer Ibn Batûtah saw some of the manuscripts that were purported to be Uthmani in Granada, Marrakech, Basra, and elsewhere during his many journeys.
It is well known that Ibn Kathîr of Damascus (a scholar of the 8th century A.H.) saw the Uthmani Qur’ân that had been sent to Syria. He shares this distinction with Ibn al-Jazarî and ibn Fadl Allah al-`Umarî. Some researchers are of the opinion that this manuscript then spent some time in the Russian Tsar’s archives in what is now Leningrad then was sent to England. Others believe that it remained in the main mosque in Damascus until it caught fire in the year 1310.
It is known with certainty by every researcher that no other book has received the same level of care or reached us with so many chains of authority.
Thus, the Qur’ân – as Chevalier said – came “…more complete and more precise than any person could expect.”
No wonder, since this is the book of Allah about which Allah said:
Falsehood does not approach it from before it or behind it. It is a revelation from the All-Wise, the Worthy of Praise.
The following is the testimony of some Western scholars:
Lobloa says: “The Qur’ân is the only sacred scripture existing today that has had no changes made to it worth mentioning.”
Moyer says: “The Qur’ân that was compiled by `Uthmân has been passed down from hand to hand in numerous ways until it reached us without any alterations. It has been preserved with the greatest care, so much so that it has suffered no changes worth mentioning.”
We can say that it has suffered no changes at all in all of its innumerable copies that are in circulation throughout the Muslim lands. All of the Muslim sects, no matter how much they might differ, use only one Qur’ân. This consensus of use over the same exact accepted text up to the present day is the greatest proof that the text is accurate and authentic.
Professor Maurice Bucaille says that in the libraries of Europe, like the National Library in Paris, there are a number of manuscripts of the Qur’ân that date back to the second and third century of Islam.
I hope this answered your question.
Allah revealed the Qur’ân to be His last, all-embracing scripture containing the final manifestation of the Divine Law. This necessitates that it has to be safeguarded from the mischievous hands of men and from all corruption. This protection has been a reality from the time the Qur’ân was revealed until today. It shall remain so until Allah inherits the Earth and everything on it. It contains no additions or deletions. It has reached us by so many chains of transmission that it is impossible for them to have conspired on a lie. It has been recorded and memorized innumerable times.
There has been no change in its text over time, not even in a single word. Some of those who have committed it to memory cannot speak Arabic; nevertheless, they recite it exactly as it was revealed.
Allah has guaranteed the integrity of the Qur’anic text. Allah says:
Verily, it is We who have sent down the Remembrance, and surely We will guard it from corruption.
Allah says:
And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change his words. And He is the all-Hearing, the All-Knowing.
As for the previous scriptures, they were for a limited duration of time. Allah gave human beings the responsibility of preserving them, and they lost them through corruption, alteration, and concealment. Allah says:
Verily, We revealed the Torah, wherein is guidance and light, by which the Prophets who submitted themselves passed judgment, and (likewise) did the rabbis and priests, as they were entrusted with the protection of Allah’s Book, and they were witnesses thereto.
The Qur’ân has been preserved in exactly the form it was revealed. This fact is agreed upon by all those who study the text of the Qur’an, both Muslim and Non-Muslim.
The preservation of the Qur’ân was achieved in many ways. During the lifetime of the Prophet (peace be upon him), the following factors facilitated its preservation:
1. The revelation came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) in a manner that was conducive to memorization. When he was asked how the revelation came to him, Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said:
“Sometimes, he comes to me like the clanging of a bell, and this is the most difficult for me. It weighs upon me and I commit to memory what he says. And sometimes the angel comes to me in the form of a man and speaks to me and I commit to memory what he says.”
2. The angel would review the Qur’ân with the Prophet. This would take place every year during the month of Ramadân. Gabriel would approach him every night in Ramadan and recite to him from the Qur’ân. In the final year of his life, Gabriel recited it to him twice during the month of Ramadân. All of this was out of the greatest care for the preservation of the Qur’ân and the accuracy of its recitation.
3. The revelation was recorded in writing and reviewed. The Messenger (peace be upon him) had scribes who would write down the revelation as it came down. He would then have it read to him again until he was sure that what was written was correct.
4. Only the Qur’ân was allowed to be recorded during the early years to prevent anything else from being confused with it, like the hadîth of the Prophet (peace be upon him) or commentary of the Qur’ân. After the Qur’ân was firmly established and there was no danger of it getting mixed up with other texts, he permitted other things to be written.
5. Learning and teaching the Qur’ân were actively encouraged. The Prophet (peace be upon him) used to encourage his Companions to learn and teach the Qur’ân and to memorize it and assist each other in memorizing it. He would have those most learned in the Qur’ân lead the prayers and lead the armies. There was a good reason for everybody to memorize the Qur’ân, for it is the book that must be recited during the obligatory prayers and its injunctions must be used as the basis for the activities of daily life.
5. The Arabs had very strong memories. They rarely missed anything. This was especially true for the Qur’ân, which came with the highest, most eloquent literary style that made memorizing it all the easier and more desirable. A great number of people memorized it and committed it to writing. It was memorized by young and old, men and women, city dwellers and Bedouins.
After the death of the Prophet (peace be upon him), the Companions were active in memorizing, recording, and preserving the Qur’ân. Two great historical events exemplify this:
1. During the reign of the first Caliph Abû Bakr al-Siddîq, many of the people who memorized the Qur’ân died in war. He and a few other leading Companions began to fear that the Qur’ân would be lost when the people who memorized it died off. He ordered that the Qur’ân should be compiled. Every written copy of the Qur’ân was referred to, even fragments written on wood or leather, and all those who memorized the Qur’ân were brought forward. Then the Qur’ân was brought together in one volume to be kept in the care of the Caliph and the Caliphs that succeed him.
2. The Arabs, by the grace of Allah, were allowed to recite the Qur’ân according to their various dialects to make things easy on them.
During the reign of the third Caliph, `Uthmân ibn `Affân, this started to cause some confusion among the Muslims, so he decreed that all Muslims must recite the Qur’ân in one manner, according to the dialect of Quraysh, the most prominent Arab tribe. He then had a number of copies made of the Qur’ân and had them distributed to the different provinces and major cities.
It has been confirmed by certain orientalists that some early scholars looked at the Uthmani manuscripts or copies of them in different cities of the Muslim world. Quatromere was among the most prominent of these, as indicated by Bergestrasser and Pretzel in their historical study of the text of the Qur’ân.
The famous explorer Ibn Batûtah saw some of the manuscripts that were purported to be Uthmani in Granada, Marrakech, Basra, and elsewhere during his many journeys.
It is well known that Ibn Kathîr of Damascus (a scholar of the 8th century A.H.) saw the Uthmani Qur’ân that had been sent to Syria. He shares this distinction with Ibn al-Jazarî and ibn Fadl Allah al-`Umarî. Some researchers are of the opinion that this manuscript then spent some time in the Russian Tsar’s archives in what is now Leningrad then was sent to England. Others believe that it remained in the main mosque in Damascus until it caught fire in the year 1310.
It is known with certainty by every researcher that no other book has received the same level of care or reached us with so many chains of authority.
Thus, the Qur’ân – as Chevalier said – came “…more complete and more precise than any person could expect.”
No wonder, since this is the book of Allah about which Allah said:
Falsehood does not approach it from before it or behind it. It is a revelation from the All-Wise, the Worthy of Praise.
The following is the testimony of some Western scholars:
Lobloa says: “The Qur’ân is the only sacred scripture existing today that has had no changes made to it worth mentioning.”
Moyer says: “The Qur’ân that was compiled by `Uthmân has been passed down from hand to hand in numerous ways until it reached us without any alterations. It has been preserved with the greatest care, so much so that it has suffered no changes worth mentioning.”
We can say that it has suffered no changes at all in all of its innumerable copies that are in circulation throughout the Muslim lands. All of the Muslim sects, no matter how much they might differ, use only one Qur’ân. This consensus of use over the same exact accepted text up to the present day is the greatest proof that the text is accurate and authentic.
Professor Maurice Bucaille says that in the libraries of Europe, like the National Library in Paris, there are a number of manuscripts of the Qur’ân that date back to the second and third century of Islam.
I hope this answered your question.
Yes!
Thank you!