question about the poor 'children'

[shaheeda35]

:salam2:
First of all no child asked to be here, they are here because it was already written the Most High to be here, for a purpose and only HE knows that. Being poor is a blessing, because the more you have, the more you have to worry about. We do not have the right to ask a woman to limit the number of kids she has, she cannot. Yes, there is birth control, condoms but they are NOT 100%.

Allah Provides for all his creatures and it is not for us to say who should be here or not, in reality they are the rich ones and we are the poor ones. They will enter Jannah before the rich.

It also seems like you are blaming the woman, but it takes two to make a baby, the father has a big role too. Allah is in Control of all and we do not have the right to question Him. Allah knows best.

 

[WithAllahsPowers]

thank you all for your post and opinions, jazakhallah kheir

 

[WithAllahsPowers]

Assalaam walaikum,

Sister, please.

I was a social worker in the most poverty ridden area in the South. Whoever wrote this is a middle class bigot. The article you posted is ridden with uppity ignorance.

There is dignity.

First, how dare people call the poor lazy. You need to study the cycle of poverty and depression.

Sister, please open your heart. Do not judge that which you have no knowledge of. Your statements let me know you need to extend your knowledge of the nature of poverty.

We have no right to judge. Do not fall into middle class attitudes. These values remind me of the overseers of the plantations. You do the dirty work for the rich.

I will just write this. Many times the Prophet of Allah did not have food. And he did have children.

i removed the link. i know it said poor were lazy, i do disagree, but when i posted the quote, i did so because the ending of it made sense it spoke about how lonely the poor feel and they have kids because its their way of loving and not being lonely etc. i thought this point was beautiful and i liked it and made things more clear to me. that was all, i promise, i didnt want to edit the quote because that wouldnt be the original source so i put it all in.

i dont have an attitude, its the care and love that i felt when watching those poor kids live and how their mothers cry in reach of help for her children. i would love to go upto a mother who is poor and has so many children and offer to help her with all my heart. but the care and love for those children made this thread. its not about falling into middle class attitudes, im just trying to get things straight.

when someone has a question or worry, and they ask someone, they also post why they feel like that and what is worrying them right, well i did do this in this thread so when you said 'please open your heart. Do not judge that which you have no knowledge of. Your statements let me know you need to extend your knowledge of the nature of poverty.'

with all do respect, if i didnt have an open caring heart i would not have asked my question of caring and loving for those kids. in relation to judge, i was putting all the things i feel about this question, not so much judging, trying to make a point of my question in the hope someone can answer it and help me understand these poor families. no judging just my feelings and hope for them to be corrected. if i wasnt hoping for them to be corrected i would not ask or post how i feel. and yes i do need to extend my knowledge on the poor world, and thats why im hear, so dont try to make me look stupid by telling me to extend my knowledge, sister, why else would i ask or bring this thread up?

maybe im not clear in how im explaining my feelings and making them look like im judging and being rude and disrespecting poor. i pay zaka and help the poor. when a family member or myself get a penalty notice / fine for parking or speed driving etc, you know what i do and say, i make dua 'oh allah, you are the one that will allow this fine to go through, not the machines or authority, please waive this fine please make an error in the system or somehow for me not recieve this fine, instead of me paying it to the authority, i will give it to them poor' later i find out i never got a fine from that speeding camera and gave the money to the poor. and i tell my family to do this too. i save money for the poor, i help them i love them i care for them, i ask these question out of feelings and concerns, for those kids, for the crying mothers who are in need of help and have no man beside her.

my heart goes out to her and her children. and when there is a man there, i feel happy because he can help out.

but in that link i posted, people said, the poor have children because these children can help the parents and help each other and work and bring food home. so i understood this and thought, thats beautiful, when these kids grow up, they will have kids of their own, they will always keep contact with their family too and they can all work together and help each other. thats why i posted that link up and said i now understand it from personal side of things. i just needed these answers.

plus, when someone said, a lady would have her first children when she is really young, so when she continues to have all these kids, then her kids would know how young their mother when she had them and they will assume thats how life is and they will have many kids too. so its a family thing. i clearly understood this and it made me feel happy.

what about when another person said, some dont know what love feels like, they have kids so they can love and be loved, so they dont be lonely and they have kids not because they dont love them, its because their love is all they have and need to suvive. this is how i understood what this other person said. and this was beautiful.

so there were bad things and comments on that link, but there were beautiful answers that made me happy and i now understand a bit why poor have so many kids. im not going to say 'i know accept the poor to have so many kids' NO, i understand.

so im not judging, im trying to understand and love them and care for them more.

 

[WithAllahsPowers]

Assalaam walaikum,

Sister, the questions posed are not sensitive to gender. These questions are real concerns about economic realities and the social/anthropological and cultural consequences of civilizations that have forgotten our responsibilities to ourselves.
The Quran and the Hadeets explain delicate physical conditions. There is no shame in discussing our responsibilities in an educated manner. This is a learning process.

This is a discussion about poverty. Poverty is not gender specific.

I am very grateful to the sister for this thread. Insha'Allah, we can gain benefit and understanding.

sister you so confuse me, first you say 'You need to study the cycle of poverty and depression' and then you tell me 'Sister, please open your heart. Do not judge that which you have no knowledge of. Your statements let me know you need to extend your knowledge of the nature of poverty.'

and 'Do not fall into middle class attitudes' and now you say 'There is no shame in discussing our responsibilities in an educated manner. This is a learning process.

This is a discussion about poverty. Poverty is not gender specific.

I am very grateful to the sister for this thread. Insha'Allah, we can gain benefit and understanding'

so are you angry at me for posting this and for how my love and care made me feel about poor having alot of kids and how im seeking knowledge so i dont feel upset for them etc or are did you post this to tell me its okay to feel like this and nothing wrong with discussing this topic and your greatful.

or why were you against me and made me upset with calling me attitude and judging and need more knowledge etc, when i was seeking knowledge, and i wasnt judging i was trying to understand why i feel like this.

anyway, just got confused there and thought i'll tell you because at first i got heaps upset because you missed my point then i got over it.

Allah is forgiving, indeed i am too.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

Sister, in order to learn a new way of thinking we have to let go past misconceptions.

Often people love the beauty of poverty. But do not understand it. It is not romantic.

I am not angry at anyone.

I am not addressing a single person.

We have to let go of false values.

I leave it at that.

Maybe another sister who understands what I am saying can do a better job.

Poor women do not need our sympathy. They do not need our love.

It is we who need their sympathy and love.

 

[WithAllahsPowers]

Assalaam walaikum,

Sister, in order to learn a new way of thinking we have to let go past misconceptions.

Often people love the beauty of poverty. But do not understand it. It is not romantic.

I am not angry at anyone.

I am not addressing a single person.

We have to let go of false values.

I leave it at that.

Maybe another sister who understands what I am saying can do a better job.

Poor women do not need our sympathy. They do not need our love.

It is we who need their sympathy and love.

why would poor women need our sympathy or love, i never mentioned this, i love the poor people and care for them and thats just a personal thing because they dont know the rewards they will get in the future and because they are closest to Allah and yes because i wish i could help them. thats all.
there is nothing wrong with being poor. they poor may not like it and cry out for help, but in reality, they are the winners not us. but this is why i feel sorry for them because i wish i could explain this to them, i wish i could educate them, i wish i could help them more then what im giving them because its not enough. its how i feel. in reality, they dont need anyone of us they have kids and their kids inshallah will help them and thats why they have the kids. as i learnt from this thread

salam.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

First, being poor does not mean you are not educated. That is a myth. They do not need your education.
Nobody wants to be poor.
What is this us and them thinking. Once again, this division is a symptom of an elitist attitude.

I am going to ignore what you wrote about what you have learned. I pray this is not sarcastic.

We, are from one soul. We are one. We can not divide each other. Allah has told us He will test us with poverty. He will test us with wealth, and He will test us to the best of our Ability. Instead, of looking for ways to find the common chord amongst us we are trying to find reasons for differences.

 

[WithAllahsPowers]

Assalaam walaikum,

First, being poor does not mean you are not educated. That is a myth. They do not need your education.
Nobody wants to be poor.
What is this us and them thinking. Once again, this division is a symptom of an elitist attitude.

I am going to ignore what you wrote about what you have learned. I pray this is not sarcastic.

We, are from one soul. We are one. We can not divide each other. Allah has told us He will test us with poverty. He will test us with wealth, and He will test us to the best of our Ability. Instead, of looking for ways to find the common chord amongst us we are trying to find reasons for differences.

Sister shaheeda35 said ‘Being poor is a blessing, because the more you have, the more you have to worry about.’ She also said ‘in reality they are the rich ones and we are the poor ones. They will enter Jannah before the rich.’

I found this nice and that’s why I said about how they will get rewards in the future, they are closer to Allah, etc, I said this because I do believe the above quotes on shaheeda. And when I said there is nothing wrong with being poor, meaning for us to all respect them, treat them equal and when we do we will see there lives is similar to ours but they just don’t have enough money so there is nothing wrong with them. That’s what I meant. Not meaning, oh being poor is good or to be proud someone is poor.

you said ‘being poor does not mean you are not educated’ there is nothing wrong with when I said I wish I could educate them as in give them some knowledge, speak to them council them etc. its just something I could never do or reach them with and that’s why I said I wish I could. There is nothing wrong with someone offering to educate the poor. Educate meaning education. Whether its me or whether its you or someone. Im not at a level to educate them and that’s why I said I wish I could. Why are you attacking me AGAIN AND AGAIN. Its not the first thread. It seems like I have to always type up what my sentences or quotes mean for you to understand. and hope you dont attack it. whats wrong with you.

You said nobody wants to be poor, yes that’s right. and who wants to be rich too. I’d never want to be rich. So why bring this up.

When you said ‘symptom of an elitist attitude’ why are you speaking to me like im being rude and ignorant to the poor when im not. this is not the way to speak to help a sister. you are really really making me upset. your suppose to help sisters not attack them. but even if i was right at a point, you would never ever say yes your right, you will try to find something in it and make it wrong. why do you do this? its not islamic.

you say ‘I am going to ignore what you wrote about what you have learned. I pray this is not sarcastic.’ Its not about what I learnt, its about how I understood things and how I feel. I told you that a million times. Im not being sarcastic and hope you are not being sarcastic.

look, dont bother replying, im not fit to hear anything else from you at the moment. please just leave me alone. stop picking on me. its not fair. leave me alone. i told you this before, i told you to stop complaining about my threads or posts and was happy that you didnt do this for a while and now your doing it again. you have no right. why me.

 

[arzafar]

I have to say, i dont have an answer to the question.

However, what i know for sure is that if wealth (aka resources) are distributed fairly, there will be no poverty. But then again socialism always looks so good in theory if anything it appears too good to be true, it usually is!