rafaydien confusion :(

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

:salam2:wa rahmatulli wa barakatuhu everyone

i posted a question yesterday ragarding rafayadien but i ended up being more confused:

according to sister believers_path:

walikumassalam,
regarding rafayadien; you get up from ruku as saying samiallahuliman hamidah.and you should raise hand while saying:ALLAHUAKBAR

according to akhi shaheerpak's post:

like in sahih bukhari

Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 12 :: Hadith 702
Narrated Salim bin 'Abdullah:
My father said, "Allah's Apostle used to raise both his hands up to the level of his shoulders when opening the prayer; and on saying the Takbir for bowing. And on raising his head from bowing he used to do the same and then say "Sami a-l-lahu Liman hamida, Rabbana walaka-l-hamd." And he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.

so in simple words could someone confirm the sequence of events.just tell me which one of the below is right

say ALLAHUAKBAR(raise hands with it)followed by samiallahulimanhamida Rabbana walaka-l-hamd.

or say samiallahulimanhamida ALLAHUAKBAR(raise hands with it)Rabbana walaka-l-hamd.(seems very strange)

or say samiallahulimanhamida Rabbana walaka-l-hamd.then ALLHUAKBAR and raise hands and go for prostation


sorry i know it feels very irritating but it's important for me.

jazakallah kharia for reading plz answer.........

wa rahmatulli wa barakatuhu

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

just reply which way of doing it is right 1st 2nd or 3rd........or none

 

[ahmed_indian]

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1. its not fard or wajib in salah. so relax...you need not take it too serious.

2. in hanafi school, its not done.

3. though hands are raised, we do not say "allah u akbar".

so you get the point why you was confused. hands are raised but Allahuakbar is not pronounced.

hope the confusion is over by now.

 

[abu'muhammad]

:salam2:

the 2nd way, quoted by brother shaheer. sister believer's path has said but not complete. Here below is complete understanding regarding rafayadain -raising hands in prayer. InshaaAllaah I hope that is benefecial. jazaakAllahu khayr

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to raise his hands for takbeerat al-ihram (the takbeer at the beginning of the prayer), sometimes whilst saying the takbeer, sometimes after it and sometimes before. (al-Bukhaari and al-Nisaa’i)

When he had finished reciting Qur’aan, he would pause for a moment then raise his hands, say takbeer and do rukoo’. (Sifat Salaat al-Nabi (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), p. 128).

He used to raise his hands when he stood up from rukoo’ (reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim), and this raising of the hands is mutawaatir (reported by so many to so many that it is inconceivable that they could all have agreed on a lie). It is the opinion of the majority of scholars and of some of the Hanafis. (Sifat Salaat al-Nabi (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by al-Albaani, p. 136).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say takbeer when he got up for the third rak’ah (reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim), and he would raise his hands sometimes when he said this takbeer. (al-Bukhaari and Abu Dawood). (Sifat Salaat al-Nabi (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), p. 177).

Raising the hands in prayer was a well-known practice among the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Imaam al-Bukhaari said: “Al-Hasan and Humayd ibn Hilaal said: ‘The Companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) all used to raise their hands, without exception.” (Juz’ raf’ al-yadayn, p. 26, ma’a jila’ al-‘aynayn).

Ibn al-Qayyim said: “Look at the practice at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the Sahaabah after him. They used to raise their hands in prayer when doing rukoo’, and when standing up again. And in the time of the Sahaabah, if ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar saw someone not raising his hands in prayer, he would throw a stone at him. [next phrase is unclear]. (I’laam al-Muwaqqi’een, 2/376).

So what is proven in the Sunnah with regard to raising the hands in prayer is that they should be raised at four points in the prayer: when pronouncing takbeerat al-ihraam, when doing rukoo’, when standing up from rukoo’, and after standing up from the first tashahhud. And Allaah knows best.

 

[TheAuthenticBase]

assalaam o alaykum,

raise hands in opening takbeer, with it, before it or after it (all 3 r sunnah)

also raise hands while going down to rukuh (so WHILE ur saying allaahuakbar)

also raise hands AFTER you r completely erect standing up from comming out of rukuh (so its AFTER you say sami Allaahulimun hamida - U raise them WHILE saying Rabbanaa walakalhamd)

also u raise ur hands when u stand up for the 3rd rakah in a 3 or 4 rakah salaah WHILE saying Allaahuakbar

hopes this helps

wassalaam o alaykum

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

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1. its not fard or wajib in salah. so relax...you need not take it too serious.

2. in hanafi school, its not done.

3. though hands are raised, we do not say "allah u akbar".

so you get the point why you was confused. hands are raised but Allahuakbar is not pronounced.

hope the confusion is over by now.

jazakallah khiara i got it now

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

jazakallah khiara bro/sis

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

:salam2:

the 2nd way, quoted by brother shaheer. sister believer's path has said but not complete. Here below is complete understanding regarding rafayadain -raising hands in prayer. InshaaAllaah I hope that is benefecial. jazaakAllahu khayr

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to raise his hands for takbeerat al-ihram (the takbeer at the beginning of the prayer), sometimes whilst saying the takbeer, sometimes after it and sometimes before. (al-Bukhaari and al-Nisaa’i)

When he had finished reciting Qur’aan, he would pause for a moment then raise his hands, say takbeer and do rukoo’. (Sifat Salaat al-Nabi (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), p. 128).

He used to raise his hands when he stood up from rukoo’ (reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim), and this raising of the hands is mutawaatir (reported by so many to so many that it is inconceivable that they could all have agreed on a lie). It is the opinion of the majority of scholars and of some of the Hanafis. (Sifat Salaat al-Nabi (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by al-Albaani, p. 136).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say takbeer when he got up for the third rak’ah (reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim), and he would raise his hands sometimes when he said this takbeer. (al-Bukhaari and Abu Dawood). (Sifat Salaat al-Nabi (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), p. 177).

Raising the hands in prayer was a well-known practice among the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Imaam al-Bukhaari said: “Al-Hasan and Humayd ibn Hilaal said: ‘The Companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) all used to raise their hands, without exception.” (Juz’ raf’ al-yadayn, p. 26, ma’a jila’ al-‘aynayn).

Ibn al-Qayyim said: “Look at the practice at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the Sahaabah after him. They used to raise their hands in prayer when doing rukoo’, and when standing up again. And in the time of the Sahaabah, if ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar saw someone not raising his hands in prayer, he would throw a stone at him. [next phrase is unclear]. (I’laam al-Muwaqqi’een, 2/376).

So what is proven in the Sunnah with regard to raising the hands in prayer is that they should be raised at four points in the prayer: when pronouncing takbeerat al-ihraam, when doing rukoo’, when standing up from rukoo’, and after standing up from the first tashahhud. And Allaah knows best.

 

[arzafar]

now this is really confusing i have been saying Allahu akbar after rabban walkahamd.
can somebody explain this procedure again in detail.
1) samiallahulimanhamida
2) ALLAHUAKBAR
3)Rabbana walaka-l-hamd.

what is the correct order of saying numbers 1, 2 and 3 and at which number do the hands have to be raised.

 

[ahmed_indian]

now this is really confusing i have been saying Allahu akbar after rabban walkahamd.
can somebody explain this procedure again in detail.
1) samiallahulimanhamida
2) ALLAHUAKBAR
3)Rabbana walaka-l-hamd.

what is the correct order of saying numbers 1, 2 and 3 and at which number do the hands have to be raised.

we just say # 1 and 3. and not 2.

so its just.....samiallahu liman hamida Rabbana walaka-l-hamd.

 

[arzafar]

we just say # 1 and 3. and not 2.

so its just.....samiallahu liman hamida Rabbana walaka-l-hamd.

what is happening here?

 

[Abu Ameerah]

Salaam.

We should not make this a big issue. it will only confuse us all especially those new Muslims. Here in Saudi Arabia where different nationalities are praying in one Masjid, you will see a lot of different styles while praying...some raises their hands before Ruku' and after Ruku' (Saying Sami'a Allaho Liman Hamidah) then raising it again before Sujod, while others only raise their hands at the baginning (Takbeeratul Oula) and from Ruku'; but it never become an issue amongst the Imaams here... As far as my little knowledge about Prayers, all are acceptable (insha Allah)...depending on your devotion, Niyyah and Sincerity. Allah knows best.

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

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[Abdul25]

We should not make this a big issue. it will only confuse us all especially those new Muslims. Here in Saudi Arabia where different nationalities are praying in one Masjid, you will see a lot of different styles while praying...some raises their hands before Ruku' and after Ruku' (Saying Sami'a Allaho Liman Hamidah) then raising it again before Sujod, while others only raise their hands at the baginning (Takbeeratul Oula) and from Ruku'; but it never become an issue amongst the Imaams here... As far as my little knowledge about Prayers, all are acceptable (insha Allah)...depending on your devotion, Niyyah and Sincerity. Allah knows best.

we need this type of vision to help muslims unite......

i am really impressed by your post...

some people say me rafay yaden should be done, some say u dont have to, some say u can follow any one madhab, some say u can follow all of them, some say follow only one madhab, some say do this, other say dont do this..


but what i have learnt from all this is that i follow what my heart says is ok ...

this is the best way i can survive...

w salam.

 

[arzafar]

i dont think we need any visions. we need the truth. well at least i do. i am convinced that raising hands was the normal practice of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and i want to adhere to that. on some occasions he (saw) may have not done this practice and a companion saw that and continued to do salah that way. However, it's clear that the correct method or prayer is to raise hands at certain stages in the salah.

Now what are those exact stages???? it seems to me that nobody knows the exact answer which is staggering!

 

[adanshai]

I want to collect all the good deeds that I can gather because I know I would surely need them when I will meet my CREATOR and my LORD - if we to think in this way that doing a good deed will gain me a reward of 10 good deeds, so what is the commution about , raising the hands before rukuh and before bowing is a proven sunnah and is proven in many sahih hadeeths, though it is not obligatory but by doing this act I am getting closer to the Prophet's (may Allah's peace and blessing be upon him) prayers and by the Grace and Will of Allah Almighty I would earn my reward, which I badly need.

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

I want to collect all the good deeds that I can gather because I know I would surely need them when I will meet my CREATOR and my LORD - if we to think in this way that doing a good deed will gain me a reward of 10 good deeds, so what is the commution about , raising the hands before rukuh and before bowing is a proven sunnah and is proven in many sahih hadeeths, though it is not obligatory but by doing this act I am getting closer to the Prophet's (may Allah's peace and blessing be upon him) prayers and by the Grace and Will of Allah Almighty I would earn my reward, which I badly need.

nicely said that's what i wanted to convey,it's not a question of who is correct because even a kid knows about that............question is if someone wishes to perform something new to him....guide him.

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

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1. its not fard or wajib in salah. so relax...you need not take it too serious.

2. in hanafi school, its not done.

3. though hands are raised, we do not say "allah u akbar".

so you get the point why you was confused. hands are raised but Allahuakbar is not pronounced.

hope the confusion is over by now.

Salaamalaykum ,

In reply to your point 1, I would say that even reading a Surah or some ayahs of Quran is Sunnah in salah. So would you hold the same opinion about it too ?

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

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