raising hands to make dua after salaat

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
:salam2:

I was reading some articles here on TTI, and I found this:

It says in Fatawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah:

Making du’aa’ after the obligatory prayers is not Sunnah if it is done by raising the hands, whether that is done by the imam alone or a member of the congregation alone, or it is done by them both together. Rather that is bid’ah, because it was not narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or any of his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) did that. With regard to making du’aa’ without doing that (raising the hands etc.), there is nothing wrong with it, because there are some ahaadeeth concerning that.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 7/103

The Committee was asked about raising the hands for du’aa’ after the five daily prayers – is it proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) raised his hands or not? If it is not proven, is it permissible to raise the hands after the five daily prayers or not?

They replied: It is not proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) raised his hands in du’aa’ after the obligatory prayers as far as we know, so raising them after the salaam of an obligatory prayer is contrary to the Sunnah.

Fataawa al-Lajnah, 7/104

The Committee also stated that saying du’aa’ out loud after the five daily prayers or regular Sunnah prayers, or reciting du’aa’ in unison as a regular practice is a reprehensible innovation (bid’ah), because it was not proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) did anything like that. Whoever makes du’aa’ after the obligatory or regular Sunnah prayers in unison is going against the way of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, and for those people to accuse those who disagree with them of being kaafirs and not belonging to Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, is misguidance, ignorance and a distortion of the facts.

Fataawa Islamiyyah, 1/319

Um.. what?? we can't raise hands to ask dua? we shouldn't do this: :tti_sister::tti_sister: huh??

I'm confused. How am I supposed to make dua then?
 

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
So what's the above in quotes talking about? I've been researching about bidah, and the more I'm reading, the more confused I'm getting...
 

pcozzy

Junior Member
:salam2:

I was reading some articles here on TTI, and I found this:



Um.. what?? we can't raise hands to ask dua? we shouldn't do this: :tti_sister::tti_sister: huh??

I'm confused. How am I supposed to make dua then?

:salam2:

where did you get those fataawaa?

They don't look like they were made by scholars I am familiar with.

:wasalam:
 

islamisthesolution

Junior Member
we all raise our hands when we make dua so thats really confusing for me as well !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and what i heard also that we cant close our eyes when we are praying these opinion make me really confused
 

ditta

Alhamdu'Lillaah
Staff member
Assalaamu'Alaykum,

Question

Has it been reported from the Prophet :saw: that he used to raise his hands in supplication after the obligatory prayers in particular, because I have been told that he did not raise his hands when supplicating after the obligatory prayers?

Answer

It has not been authentically reported from the Prophet :saw: that he used to raise his hands after the obligatory prayers, nor has it been authentically reported from his Companions, may Allaah be pleased with them, as far as we know. As for the action of some people in raising their hands after the obligatory prayers, it is an innovation without any basis, for the Prophet :saw: said:

Whoever performs a deed which is not from this matter of ours, will have it rejected.

(Muslim no. 1718)

And he :saw: also said:

Whoever innovates in this matter of ours that which is not from it, will have it (his innovation) rejected.


(Al-Bukharee no. 2697 and Muslim no. 1718)

Ibn Baaz. (Rahimahullaah)


Reference: Fatawa Islamiyah, Volume 2 - Purification and Prayer, Remembrance after Prayer, p.263


Question

I see some people raise their hands when the Khatib is supplicating during the Friday sermon; I see others raise their hands when they are supplicating after the fixed Sunnah prayers, during the Qunut supplication of Witr. Meanwhile, others abstain from doing so altogether. Please tell me what the Sunnah is regarding raising the hands during supplication.


Answer

The Sunnah is to raise your hands when you supplicate, and doing so promotes your prayer being answered. The Prophet :saw:,


"Indeed, your Lord is Hayiy and Generous: He is shy from His servant when he raises his hands to Him, to return them empty."

[Abu Dawood no. 1488, At-Tirmidhee no. 3556, Ibn Maajah no. 3866 and Al-Mustadrak for Hakim 1/497]

And according to what is recorded by Muslim in his Sahih from Abu Hurayrah, may Allah be pleased with him, the Prophet :saw: said:

"Indeed, Allah is Tayyib (good), and He doesn't accept other than what is Tayyib."

Allah Almighty has ordered the believers with the same commands that he ordered the Messengers with. he says, addressing both separately:

"O You who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh - Islâmic Monotheism)! eat of the lawful things that we have provided You with, and be grateful to Allâh, if it is indeed He whom You worship."


[Soorah al-Baqarah, 172]


And:

"O (you) Messengers! Eat of the Tayibat (good and lawful) and do righteous deeds."

[Soorah al-Mu'minoon, 51]


The Messenger of Allah :saw: then informed us of the unkempt and dust-covered traveler, who raised his hands to the sky, and said, "O my Lord, O my Lord." However, his food was unlawful, his drink was unlawful, his clothes were unlawful, and he derived sustenance from what is unlawful. The Messenger of Allah :saw: said of him,


"And so how can he be answered!"

[Muslim no. 1015.]

There are many authentic narrations in which the Prophet :saw: raised his hands: in the sermon for the Rain Prayer, in the days of Tashriq at the Jamaraat during his final pilgrimage, and on many other occasions.

Nevertheless, we should not raise our hands on those occasions wherein we have no accounts that the Messenger of Allah :saw: raised his hands. Therefore, we should follow the Prophet :saw: and not raise our hands during the Friday sermon, the 'Eid sermon, the supplication between the prostrations of prayer, the supplication at the end of the prayer, and in the supplication after the five obligatory prayers.


This is because we have no reports from the Messenger of Allah :saw: that he raised his hands on these occasions. So we follow him where he did raise his hands and we follow him where he abstained from doing so.


Allah Almighty says:

"Indeed in the Messenger of Allah you have a good example to follow."

[Soorah al-Ahzab, 21]

And with Allah is the facilitation to do what is right.

Ibn Baz

[Reference: Fatawa Islamiyah, Volume 7 - Regarding Supplication and its Manners, Pg. 277-280]


Ibn al-Qayyim said:

With regard to du’aa’ after the prayer facing the qiblah or facing the congregation, this is not something that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did at all. It is not narrated with a saheeh or hasan isnaad. As for doing that only after Fajr and ‘Asr prayers, he did not do that and neither did any of his successors (khulafa’), and he did not teach his ummah to do that. Rather this is something that some people thought it was good to do to make up for not offering Sunnah prayers after those prayers. And Allaah knows best.


Refer below,

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/7886/

The supplication should be made when sitting down in the prayer after Tashahhud and sending blessings of Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta'aala) on the Prophet Muhammad :saw: and when in the bowing and prostration positions of the prayer. I think this is in Shaykh al-Albaanee's (Rahimahullaah), 'The Prophet's :saw: Prayer Described'. Check to make sure. :)

Walaykum Salaam.
 

daywalker

Junior Member
:salam2: i actuelly didn´t want to dig the topic .
It says in Fatawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah:

Making du’aa’ after the obligatory prayers is not Sunnah if it is done by raising the hands, whether that is done by the imam alone or a member of the congregation alone, or it is done by them both together. Rather that is bid’ah, because it was not narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or any of his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) did that.
actuelly what the fatwa says is correct but there are other hadith which give permission of the act if people dont take it as obligatory or part of the salah. for example

1.“Abu Umamah رضي الله تعالى عنه narrates that Nabi صلى الله عليه و سلم was asked: Which dua is most heard? Nabi صلى الله عليه و سلم replied: The dua made in the last third of the night and the dua after Fardh salah.” (Tirmidhi 2/187)

2. from the thread which i gave has also narrations that raising hands for doing dua is also sunnah.

now through this 2 hadiths its "ALLOWED" for a person to raise his hands after salah and do dua under terms and condition that the person should NOT think that its sunnah to do so.

the first hadith is also accepted by the fatwa if we read correctly that its has been said "it is not Sunnah if it is done by raising the hands,"
With regard to making du’aa’ without doing that (raising the hands etc.), there is nothing wrong with it, because there are some ahaadeeth concerning that.
a person may do dua after salah without raising the hand but normally in all other incident its clear that prophet(sw) did raise his hands for dua and sahaba(rd) also did the same.
The Committee also stated that saying du’aa’ out loud after the five daily prayers or regular Sunnah prayers, or reciting du’aa’ in unison as a regular practice is a reprehensible innovation (bid’ah), because it was not proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) did anything like that.
Prophet(sw) did recite loud adhkar and dua to teach sahaba(rd) but later time he stop it. Since the practice of the loud dua has displaced the actual Sunnat method, it is regarded as bid’ah in the Shariah.
 

pcozzy

Junior Member
Assalaamu'Alaykum,

Question

Has it been reported from the Prophet :saw: that he used to raise his hands in supplication after the obligatory prayers in particular, because I have been told that he did not raise his hands when supplicating after the obligatory prayers?

Answer

It has not been authentically reported from the Prophet :saw: that he used to raise his hands after the obligatory prayers, nor has it been authentically reported from his Companions, may Allaah be pleased with them, as far as we know. As for the action of some people in raising their hands after the obligatory prayers, it is an innovation without any basis, for the Prophet :saw: said:

Whoever performs a deed which is not from this matter of ours, will have it rejected.

(Muslim no. 1718)

And he :saw: also said:

Whoever innovates in this matter of ours that which is not from it, will have it (his innovation) rejected.


(Al-Bukharee no. 2697 and Muslim no. 1718)

Ibn Baaz. (Rahimahullaah)


Reference: Fatawa Islamiyah, Volume 2 - Purification and Prayer, Remembrance after Prayer, p.263


Question

I see some people raise their hands when the Khatib is supplicating during the Friday sermon; I see others raise their hands when they are supplicating after the fixed Sunnah prayers, during the Qunut supplication of Witr. Meanwhile, others abstain from doing so altogether. Please tell me what the Sunnah is regarding raising the hands during supplication.


Answer

The Sunnah is to raise your hands when you supplicate, and doing so promotes your prayer being answered. The Prophet :saw:,


"Indeed, your Lord is Hayiy and Generous: He is shy from His servant when he raises his hands to Him, to return them empty."

[Abu Dawood no. 1488, At-Tirmidhee no. 3556, Ibn Maajah no. 3866 and Al-Mustadrak for Hakim 1/497]

And according to what is recorded by Muslim in his Sahih from Abu Hurayrah, may Allah be pleased with him, the Prophet :saw: said:

"Indeed, Allah is Tayyib (good), and He doesn't accept other than what is Tayyib."

Allah Almighty has ordered the believers with the same commands that he ordered the Messengers with. he says, addressing both separately:

"O You who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh - Islâmic Monotheism)! eat of the lawful things that we have provided You with, and be grateful to Allâh, if it is indeed He whom You worship."


[Soorah al-Baqarah, 172]


And:

"O (you) Messengers! Eat of the Tayibat (good and lawful) and do righteous deeds."

[Soorah al-Mu'minoon, 51]


The Messenger of Allah :saw: then informed us of the unkempt and dust-covered traveler, who raised his hands to the sky, and said, "O my Lord, O my Lord." However, his food was unlawful, his drink was unlawful, his clothes were unlawful, and he derived sustenance from what is unlawful. The Messenger of Allah :saw: said of him,


"And so how can he be answered!"

[Muslim no. 1015.]

There are many authentic narrations in which the Prophet :saw: raised his hands: in the sermon for the Rain Prayer, in the days of Tashriq at the Jamaraat during his final pilgrimage, and on many other occasions.

Nevertheless, we should not raise our hands on those occasions wherein we have no accounts that the Messenger of Allah :saw: raised his hands. Therefore, we should follow the Prophet :saw: and not raise our hands during the Friday sermon, the 'Eid sermon, the supplication between the prostrations of prayer, the supplication at the end of the prayer, and in the supplication after the five obligatory prayers.


This is because we have no reports from the Messenger of Allah :saw: that he raised his hands on these occasions. So we follow him where he did raise his hands and we follow him where he abstained from doing so.


Allah Almighty says:

"Indeed in the Messenger of Allah you have a good example to follow."

[Soorah al-Ahzab, 21]

And with Allah is the facilitation to do what is right.

Ibn Baz

[Reference: Fatawa Islamiyah, Volume 7 - Regarding Supplication and its Manners, Pg. 277-280]


The supplication should be made when sitting down in the prayer after Tashahhud and sending blessings of Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta'aala) on the Prophet Muhammad :saw:. I think this is in Shaykh al-Albaanee's (Rahimahullaah), 'The Prophet's :saw: Prayer Described'.

Walaykum Salaam.

:salam2:

:jazaak:

may Allah gives us all knowledge that is beneficial and accept our prayers and duaat.

:wasalam:
:wasalam:
 

sazk

Banned
aoa, well i don't know what happened 1430 years ago because i didn't see it but i know all my duas get accepted, Alhamdulillah, and i always raise my hands to make dua. its a form of asking, like a beggar does with a king, only in dua case i m the beggar n Allah is the King.
 

daywalker

Junior Member
Go through the "fatwa" and try to find one reference to the Quran or authentic hadeeth to back up their argument. There is none. People cannot conclude that something is mandatory, forbidden or an innovation without proof. In Islam, everything is allowed until proven otherwise. That's called "al-Baraa'a al-Asliyya" (original allowance) in the science of Usool-ul-Fiqh (foundations of deduction). Many Muslims have it backwards; they assume everything is forbidden until proven otherwise.
What you said is indeed true at this case cause it has a root of hadith which permitts the act. but if a practise hasn´t any root which gives feedback, then Its haram.
1) Tawqeef (i.e. Aqaaid and Ibaadaat), 2) sexual activity and 3) flesh are all Haram until proven Halal. Everything apart from this is vice versa (i.e. الأصل في الأشياء الإباحة - Halal until proven Haram).
 

islamisthesolution

Junior Member
well i don't know what happened 1430 years ago because i didn't see it but i know all my duas get accepted, Alhamdulillah, and i always raise my hands to make dua. its a form of asking, like a beggar does with a king, only in dua case i m the beggar n Allah is the King.

:ma::ma:may Allah accept your dua all the time
and ours too:)
btw wonderful expression (beggar and king)
 

daywalker

Junior Member
I don't understand what you say above. Please elaborate.
the Hukm of Tawqeef (i.e. Aqaa'id and Ibaadaat) is Tawaqquf (i.e. remaining silent) in issues that have not been touched upon by our Shariah. This also means we refute those who dwell in such issues, because our Deen is complete: Allah has informed us everything we need to know of and we need to practise upon in terms of worship and things we cannot truly understand the wisdom and reality of.

So going against Tawaqquf in Tawqeef issues is Haram until there is evidence to substantiate the claim made in relation to that Tawqeef (i.e. Aqaa'id and Ibadaat).

Ibn al-Qayyim in I'laam referred to the negative implications of considering Tawqeef issues Halal until proven Haram:
فهذا سؤال بعيد جدا ...
"This type of question (i.e. considering Tawqeef Halal until proven Haram) is far off from the Prophet's guidance and his Sunnah. If this type of statement was correct and accepted (referring considering Tawqeef Halal until proven Haram), a guy would come and prescribe Azan for Taraweeh claiming "How do you know it has not been narrated (i.e. how do you know it's Haram)?"... the door to Bid'ah would be blasted open and every innovator would claim: "Where has it not been narrated (that would prove its Tahreem)".
 
The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, mentioned (the case of) a man who, having journeyed far, is disheveled and dusty and who lifts up his hands to the sky (saying): "O Lord! O Lord!" - while his food is unlawful, his drink unlawful, his clothing unlawful, and he is nourished unlawfully, so how can he be answered!” (Reported by Muslim)

Most scholars state that there is nothing wrong in raising the hands while making Dua.

As for rubbing the face after reciting Dua, we can say that it is reported by Ibn `Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, “used to rub his face with his hands after reciting Dua.” (Reported by At-Tirmidhi)

The issue of rubbing the face after reciting the Dua is controversial because some scholars think the hadith is weak. Thus, a Muslim can choose the opinion that best suits him in this case.

Source: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545602
 

Yusuf1990

al-Inglezi
Wa'alaikum asalaam warahmatullah,

Yeah what is mentioned in that fatwa is about when, after the congregational prayer, everyone raises their hands together, and usually the imam will make du'a out loud, with everyone saying ameen behind him.
It is a clear bid'ah as there are NO reports on it at all, people should not do this.

And as for the comment made by zafran about people taking the idea of bid'ah too far, what people? Are you referring to the Scholars who issued the above fataawa? The Scholars of the Permanent Committee who have been the likes of Sheikh Abdul-Aziz ibn Baz, Shiekh Bakr Abdullah Abu Zayd and Shiekh Abdur-Razzaq ibn 'Afifi and the scholars who are currently part of the committee like Sheikh Abdul-Aziz aal ash-Sheikh and Sheikh Saalih al-Fawzaan?? I advise you to take back that statement, if the Messenger of Allah (sallAllahu 'alaihi wasalam) and his Companions (radiyAllahu 'anhum) didn't do it, then of what benefit is it for us?
 

Yusuf1990

al-Inglezi
Daywalker is right when he said that all things are halal until proven haram except for three, which he mentioned!
As for reciting dhikr out loud after prayer, this is Sunnah. I am going to make it my mission and collect loads of evidence for certain things and just post them all, lol these are small matters but nothing is too small when we talk about bid'ah, as all misguidance is in the Fire.
I wish that we all just returned back to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (sallAllahu 'alaihi wasalam) like humble slaves rather than be ignorant, trying to cling onto culture and upbringing.

Allahu'alam...
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Salaam,

My dear brothers and sisters...I make dua each day that Allah out of His Bounty give me knowledge, understanding, and wisdom. I will make dua that He give my brothers and sisters on TTI the same.
When I supplicate I raise my hands for I am a slave..and each moment is a gift from Allah subhana talla.
My hands are important as they are the articles which are able to do deeds and for this I am grateful.

May Allah subhana talla forgive me if I have written anything wrong.
 

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
sigh...

I'm so confused by things. >_< So this is what's meant by the hadith that in the End times, Knowledge will disappear? And thus we're all debating over these little matters. I don't like it :(

I don't understand how if an Imam makes dua and the people gathered say ameen, its wrong? If my mother says "may we all have a happy life" and I say 'ameen.' Then it would come under the same category right? But there's nothing wrong with the second case, but if a person does it in a gathering for a congregation, then we're saying its bidah. I mean, they even do the dua on religious TV channels...

I think I'll open up a separate thread for bidah, because I have a ton of questions, which I'll ask and understand one by one..

Also, for those asking where I got this information from, it was in TTI's research on Bidah and shirk thread:
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7475
 

sazk

Banned
lol.. aoa sister, i wouldnt worry too much about it. today there are undercover jews posing as sheikhs, they tell u saying aameen is bidah, making dua is bidah, tomorrow they will tell u salah is bidah!

haha.. its because in the jews prayers they don't have a saying called Amen or Aameen (acknowledgement that dua has been received by Allah).

Hadith:

"Dua is the essence of Ibadah (worship)."
[at Tirmdhi, Ahmad]

naturally when jews don't have amen in their dua, theirs dont get accepted. so they dont want you saying it also because amen is an acknowledgement or receipt sort of, that your dua has been received by Allah. even angels say aameen (various hadith prove this)
 

Imad

Junior Member
Assalamoelaikoem warahmatullah Sazk,

You have gone too far calling the scholars undercover jews. The topic is: " raising hands to make dua after salat (prayer)"

Raising hands when you do dua is allowed and is sunnah and there is enough evidence for. This is in general. But after Prayer there is no evidence that our prophet peace and blessings of Allah be with him or his companions May Allah be pleased with them have raised their hands in dua. This is a specific matter.

If you read what ditta has posted you would understand. Go to post 7 of ditta and read carefully.

So please be carefull or otherwise it is better not to be a member of this website if you call scholars undercover jews.

Let me give you and the members insha Allah some islamic general rules:

- Islam is completed. This means Ibada (worship) is Tawqiefiya--> If there is evidence you perform the worship act, but if there is no evidence you abstain from performing the act. Our prophet said: Every innovation is misguidense and every misguidense is in hell.

- In everything out of ibada ( worship) which is called Ada, everything is halal until there is proof that it's haram. Example: Like innovation in drinks, in bread, technology, science. everything is hallaal until there is evidence which makes something haraam.

And i say to you all please go and learn your Deen ( religion).


Wassalamoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh
 
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