Reciting Al-Fatiha upon a deceased person and after nikah

a_muslimah86

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Brothers and Sisters...

I am looking for fatwas stating the bida'a (innovation) in reciting Al-Fatiha upon a deceased person and upon completing nikah...

A sister is insisting that I am wrong and what I'm saying is too extreme and cannot be true..and I keep telling her that I have read fatwas about it..but she's not convinced

Unfortunately the information I have regarding the issues are in Arabic..and I want to show her something in English so she can see for herself

Can anyone help me?

Jazakom Allah Khair in advance!

:wasalam:
 

pcozzy

Junior Member
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Fiqh Volume 4 Number 51a:

Funeral
Prayer
on a
Grave
It is permissible to offer funeral prayer for a deceased anytime after his burial, even if a prayer was offered prior to his burial. As mentioned above, the Prophet, peace be upon him,
offered funeral prayer for the martyrs of Uhud after eight years. Zaid ibn Thabit reported: "Once we went out with the Prophet, peace be upon him . When we reached al-Baqi '
(Famous cemetery in Madinah, where a large number of the Prophet's companions are buried) we noticed a newly dug grave. The Prophet, peace be upon him, asked about it and was
told that was the grave of such and such a woman. At this he said: 'Why did you not inform me of her death?' They replied, 'O Prophet of Allah! You were fasting and were resting at
the time and we did not want to bother you. ' He said: 'Do not do that again. So long as I am with you, make sure you inform me when any one among you dies, for my prayers for the
deceased is a mercy for them.' Then the Prophet, peace be upon him, went to the grave. We stood in rows behind him and he offered a funeral prayer for her with four takbirs." This
hadith has been reported by Ahmad, Nasa'i, Al-Baihaqi, Al-Hakim and Ibn Hibban. The last two reporters regard it as a sound hadith.

Tirmidhi said: This has been the practice of most of the scholars, the Companions of the Prophet (may Allah be pleased with them), as well as others. Ash-Shafi'i, Ahmad, and Ishaq
hold the same view. This hadith also shows that the Prophet, peace be upon him, offered funeral prayer at a grave when a funeral prayer had already been offered by his Companions
for the deceased before her burial, for they could not bury her without a funeral prayer. From this hadith it is also obvious that praying for the dead (before the burial) was a common
practice of the Companions, and was not limited only to the Prophet, peace be upon him.

Ibn Al-Qayyim said: "These proven traditions of the Prophet, peace be upon him, do not contradict the sound hadith that reports the statement of the Prophet, peace be upon him: 'Do
not sit by the graves, or offer prayer facing them.' This is a sound hadith that bids us not to sit or pray at the graves. What is forbidden is to offer formal prayer (salah) facing a grave.
Offering a funeral prayer at the grave is not forbidden, for funeral prayer does not have to be offered at any specific place. It is rather better offered outside a mosque than inside it.
The funeral prayer at the grave is similar to offering it beside the coffin. In either case the prayer is offered for the deceased, and his body, whether it is in the coffin or in the grave,
remains in the same position. Offering prayers other than funeral prayers are forbidden at graves, for there is a risk that this may tum these graveyards into mosques, against which
the Prophet, peace be upon him, wamed us. He cursed those who tum graves into places of worship, saying: 'Some evil people will be overtaken by the Day of Judgement, including
those (evil people) who tum graves into mosques.' This warning has no bearing on an act that the Prophet, peace be upon him, repeatedly perfommed. "

I have heard the same as you did that we do not recite fatiha on the deceased because it will not benefit them in any way. The fatiha is a Duaa surah, how will a dead person be protected from going astray. I am still searching for the fatwa. But letting you know that you are absolutely right.
 

pcozzy

Junior Member
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Found it in Fiqh Volume 4 Number 39a:

Reciting
'Al-Fatihah' and
Salutations to
the Prophet
(Abu Hanifah and Malik regard these as two essential requisites of funeral prayer)

Ash-Shafi'i has in his Musnad narrated from Abu Umamah ibn Sahl that one of the Companions of the Prophet (may Allah be pleased with them) told him that when offering a
(funeral) prayer it is sunnah for the imam to say aloud Allahu Akbar (first opening takbir), then to recite al-Fatihah silently in his heart, and then send salutations to the
Prophet, peace be upon him, and then pray for forgiveness of the deceased. Nothing else is to be recited in between takbirs. Finally, he should end his prayer with salutations
in his heart. (According to the majority of scholars, reciting al-fatihah, sending blessings upon the Prophet, supplicating for the deceased, and salutations are sunnah. In the
case of the imam, however, it is sunnah to utter the takbir and salutations aloud in order to communicate with those praying with him) The author of Al-Fath says: "The chain of
narrators of this hadith is sound."

Bukhari reported from Talha ibn Abdullah that he said: "I offered a funeral prayer that was led by Ibn Abbas. He recited Al-Fatihah and said: 'This is a sunnah of the Prophet, peace be upon him."' Tirmidhi also reported this and remarked that this has been the practice of some of the learned among the Companions of the Prophet (may Allah be pleased with them). Others prefer to recite Al-Fatihah after the first takbir. This is the opinion of Ash-Shafi'i, Ahmad, and Ishaq.

Some others hold that Al-Fatihah is not to be recited in a funeral prayer. The funeral prayer should consist of praise for Allah (thana), blessings (salawat) upon the Prophet, peace be upon him, and a prayer (du'a) for forgiveness of the deceased. This is the opinion of Al-Thawri and other scholars of Kufah. Those who hold the recitation of al-Fatihah in a funeral prayer obligatory argue that the Prophet, peace be upon him, called it a prayer (salat) when he said: "Offer prayer (sallu) for your deceased friend." And as no prayer can be complete without al-Fatihah, for the Prophet, peace be upon him, also told us "no prayer is valid unless al-Fatihall is recited in it."

This is regarding the prayer to deceased junnaza.

:wasalam:
 

a_muslimah86

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Jazaka Allah kolla khair akhi pcozzy for the wonderful information you provided..and I am glad you know this matter as well...unfortunately..not many people do :(

and to clarify for you and others (in case this will help in the search)...I meant reciting al-fatiha over someone who is *buried* already..as in when you go visit their grave and recite al-fatiha or when you remember them and you recite al-fatiha "over their souls"

As for reciting al-fatiha after nikah..then that's pretty clear

:wasalam:
 

a_muslimah86

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Staff member
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Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi’ah li Samaahat al-Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him), vol. 9, p. 324

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/9304/reciting deceased

:jazaak:
There were many times where you have informed me mashallah muslima; may allah preserve and increase your knowledge.

:wasalam:

Baraka Allaho feek akhi...I thank you so so so much!...I bookmarked the page so I'd email it to the sister once I get the other information...

And you don't know how happy it makes me feel to know that I was of help to you..alhamduliallah rab al 'alameen..jazaka allah khair for the kind words

Thanks again and again for all your time! :)

:wasalam:
 

a_muslimah86

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Staff member
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reciting surah fatiha isn´t obligatory act for a nikah. may be any brother can bring proper answer about it.

Yes akhi you are right..and I am aware of that...it is in fact a *bida'a*..as it has *nothing* to do with the 'arkaan of marriage..or for blessings of the couple..but yet many many many people do it

and Inshallah someone finds me information in English about it..I am still looking..but I'm not finding anything :(

Jazaka Allah Khair

:wasalam:
 

pcozzy

Junior Member
Reading Surah Yaaseen At The Graveyard Question:

[Questioner:] I ask regarding the recitation of [Surah] Yaaseen at the grave of the deceased, is it mentioned [in any text]?
السؤال:...اسأل عن قراءة يس عند قبر الميت هل هي واردة
Answer:

The Shaykh: There is no mention [in the texts] of reciting anything from the Qur’aan at the grave of the deceased rather that which is mentioned is that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم) when he would complete the burial of the deceased he would stand over it and say:
“Seek forgiveness for your brother and ask for his steadfastness for indeed he is now being questioned.”
And regarding reciting the Faatihah or reciting Yaaseen or other than these two [Surahs] from the Qur’aan then this is not from the Sunnah as it is not mentioned from the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم).


الشيخ: لا لم يرد قراءة شئٍ من القرآن عند قبر الميت وإنماالذي ورد أن النبي صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم كان إذا فرغ من دفن الميت وقف عليه وقال (استغفروا لأخيكم واسألوا له التثبيت فإنه الآن يسأل) وأما قراءة الفاتحة أو قراءة يس أو غيرهما من القرآن فهذا ليس بسنة إذا لم يرد عن النبي صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم.
Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-`Uthaymeen Fataawa Noor 'alaa al-Darb: al-Janaaiz.
مكتبة الفتاوى : فتاوى نور على الدرب (نصية) : الجنائز
Translated by Abu 'Abdillaah al-Kashmiree
http://www.ibnothaimeen.com/all/noor/article_4475.shtml
 

a_muslimah86

Hubbi Li Rabbi
Staff member
Reading Surah Yaaseen At The Graveyard Question:

[Questioner:] I ask regarding the recitation of [Surah] Yaaseen at the grave of the deceased, is it mentioned [in any text]?
السؤال:...اسأل عن قراءة يس عند قبر الميت هل هي واردة
Answer:

The Shaykh: There is no mention [in the texts] of reciting anything from the Qur’aan at the grave of the deceased rather that which is mentioned is that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم) when he would complete the burial of the deceased he would stand over it and say:
“Seek forgiveness for your brother and ask for his steadfastness for indeed he is now being questioned.”
And regarding reciting the Faatihah or reciting Yaaseen or other than these two [Surahs] from the Qur’aan then this is not from the Sunnah as it is not mentioned from the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم).


الشيخ: لا لم يرد قراءة شئٍ من القرآن عند قبر الميت وإنماالذي ورد أن النبي صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم كان إذا فرغ من دفن الميت وقف عليه وقال (استغفروا لأخيكم واسألوا له التثبيت فإنه الآن يسأل) وأما قراءة الفاتحة أو قراءة يس أو غيرهما من القرآن فهذا ليس بسنة إذا لم يرد عن النبي صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم.
Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-`Uthaymeen Fataawa Noor 'alaa al-Darb: al-Janaaiz.
مكتبة الفتاوى : فتاوى نور على الدرب (نصية) : الجنائز
Translated by Abu 'Abdillaah al-Kashmiree
http://www.ibnothaimeen.com/all/noor/article_4475.shtml


Ya Allah!...

Brother you remembered to get me something on this days and days after it's been gone..I am so thankful wallahi!..jazaka allah every khair..and may He (swt) please you and be pleased with you in this dunya and the akhirah..ameen & ameen!

:wasalam:
 

Shaban Naveed

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Recitation Of Fatiha over deceased

Ya Allah!...

Brother you remembered to get me something on this days and days after it's been gone..I am so thankful wallahi!..jazaka allah every khair..and may He (swt) please you and be pleased with you in this dunya and the akhirah..ameen & ameen!

:wasalam:

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Peace2u

Turn To Islam
Salam
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Upon reaching the graveyard recite the Dua which Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and his Companions were in the habit of reciting. The Dua is:

Assalaamu alaikum ahlad diyaar minas mumineena wal muslimeena. Wa innaa Inshaa'allahu bikum la-laahikoon. Nas alul laaha lanaa waial kumul aafiyah.
Translation: May the Peace (of Allah) be upon you, O people of this land (the graveyard), who are among the Believers! Insha Allah, we too shall (soon) be joining you. We ask Allah protection for you and for ourselves.
 

ahmed_indian

to Allah we belong
Salam
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Upon reaching the graveyard recite the Dua which Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and his Companions were in the habit of reciting. The Dua is:

Assalaamu alaikum ahlad diyaar minas mumineena wal muslimeena. Wa innaa Inshaa'allahu bikum la-laahikoon. Nas alul laaha lanaa waial kumul aafiyah.
Translation: May the Peace (of Allah) be upon you, O people of this land (the graveyard), who are among the Believers! Insha Allah, we too shall (soon) be joining you. We ask Allah protection for you and for ourselves.

jazaak Allah khair for telling this Dua.
 

helpinghumanity

Junior Member
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Brothers and Sisters...

I am looking for fatwas stating the bida'a (innovation) in reciting Al-Fatiha upon a deceased person
:wasalam:


:wasalam: sister:

Allah's Messenger [صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم] said: "When a man dies, his good deeds come to an end except three: ongoing charity, beneficial knowledge and righteous offspring who will pray for him." [Sahih Muslim: 3084]


Al-Nawawi [may Allah have mercy on him] said in Sharh Muslim:


"The scholars said: the meaning of this hadith (above) is that the deeds of the deceased come to an end when he dies, and the renewal of reward ceases for him, except in these three cases, because he is the cause of them: his offspring is counted among his earnings, as is the knowledge that he leaves behind through teaching or writing, and ongoing charity, i.e., a waqf (Islamic endowment)."

The narrations below add further details:


Narrated Abu Hurairah [رضی اللّٰہُ عنہ]: "The Messenger of Allah [صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم] said: "The good deeds that will reach a believer after his death are: knowledge which he learned and then spread; a righteous son whom he leaves behind; a copy of the Qur'an that he leaves as a legacy; a mosque that he built; a house that he built for wayfarers; a canal that he dug; or charity that he gave during his lifetime when he was in good health. These deeds will reach him after his death."
[Ibn Majah: 224]



So according to the above hadith, when a person dies his children do contribute to his NAMA-E-AHMAL.

According to the first hadith we should pray for our parents who are no more in this world.
Duaa is also a part of prayers.
The best and comprehensive duaa is Surah Fatiha (i read in a hadith,,,,but could not browse it for now...i some one can post the hadith it will appreciated)....


So according to this analogy there is no harm in reciting surah fatiha.....

ALLAH KNOW THE BEST..

Wassalam
 
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