Regarding Jesus

moonnah

Junior Member
According to Islam the New Testament was all wrong?

I know Jesus NEVER said he was God but he did call God "Father"; (which dont mean much I guess as you may call God Father?)

Anyways what do you think about the NT? What about you converts; what did you have a problem with? (in the NT)
 

Salem9022

Junior Member
moonnah I usually don't like to qoute the bible, but this is something you should read and open your eyes to the realities

John 20:17Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "

This verse is self explanitory, as for the New Testament, we don't believe in the New Testament, we believe in the Injeel whic was given to Esaa alaiyasalaam. if you look at how the new testament was compliled you would know 99% of things in there is not even original, Search the Council of Nicsea, in 385 and those in 315, you will understand how this Book called the Bible was compiled, even the things attributed to Jesus in the Bible is doubtfull
 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
According to Islam the New Testament was all wrong?

I know Jesus NEVER said he was God but he did call God "Father"; (which dont mean much I guess as you may call God Father?)

Anyways what do you think about the NT? What about you converts; what did you have a problem with? (in the NT)

Well I've never seen that Islam teaches that the New Testament is "all wrong" but rather that is was distorted and the message has been perverted. There are many beautiful passages in the New Testament that have truth to them but unfortunately we can't use the books for knowledge because we don't know where it was edited and perverted.

I've asked Christians why they have book like Revelations in the bible since they aren't even sure who authored it? There are theories but no hard facts. How does one decide that a book is devinely inspired if you aren't even sure who wrote it?

Also there is the whole Paul issue, it seems most Christian churches focus on his teachings over the teachings of Jesus. (peace be upon him) And the only person who said Paul was an apostle was Paul, he never even met Jesus. (peace be upon him)
 

A Kashmiri

Junior Member
“I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your god.” John 20:17

It is very clear to understand what Jesus meant by this single sentence, that his sonship was in no way different from the sonship of all men.

The American writer, Upton Sinclair, says in his book, “A Personal Jesus”: “And lest anyone think that: in calling God his Father he was proclaiming himself the Son, let it be made clear that he called God your Father, too. He said it eighteen times in the New Testament: “Your heavenly Father Knoweth”, and so on. He meant that we were all sons of God, and he was one of them.”

“The God of Abraham and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his sevant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.” Act 3:13
 
I know Jesus NEVER said he was God but he did call God "Father"; (which dont mean much I guess as you may call God Father?)

acctuelly sister, u cant take the meaning SON as i am son of my mtoher. and THe wordFATHER i cant also take as i call my father as FATHER.

normally son of God means also slave of God. and some also use the word FATHER also as master.

1. Jacob is God's son and firstborn: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn" Exodus 4:22.

2. Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 Samuel 7:13-14.

3. Ephraim is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn" Jeremiah 31:9 (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?).

4. Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God." Luke 3:38.

5. Common people (you and me) are the sons of God: "Ye are the children of the LORD your God" Deuteronomy 14:1. "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7. "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 2:1. "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 1:6. "when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men," Genesis 6:4. "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair" Genesis 6:2 (David speaking): “I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee.” [Psalm 2: 7]

As we can see, the use of the term "son of God" when describing normal human beings was not at all an uncommon practice among Jesus' people.

the word father is also used as God.
 

moonnah

Junior Member
Answer who was the FUTURE PROPHET?


It depends on who you ask!

Christians will say he was talking about "Jesus" and the Muslims will say "Prophet Jesus".


Ok. Lets go further back.
Where in the old testament are the predictions of "prophets"? Anyone know?

I have read somewhere that the OT had mentioned Muhammad; is this true?
 

A Kashmiri

Junior Member
Here is Ahmed Deedats Public Lecture on this subject in word document.


Please read it and we can discuss further , if there is a need for that...


Masallama
 

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cmelbouzaidi

Junior Member
Dear Moonah, I am a revert to Islam from a non-religious Irish Catholic family. Although I went to Catholic school, regrettably we never studied the bible. I think when there is a reference to God the Father in the Bible, it means Father in the sense of Creator and in the same sense, we are his creation, his servants. Jesus is a very beloved prophet to Muslims and we do believe in the miraculous birth of Jesus and that he is the Messiah:

Surah Ali 'Imran 3:45
"Behold! the angels said:
"O Mary! Allah giveth thee Glad tidings of a Word
From Him: his name will be Christ Jesus. The son of Mary,
held in honour In this world and the Hereafter
And of (the company of) those Nearest to Allah";

However, it is fundamental to the main belief in Islam that there is no God but Allah (God)..... we must not attribute any partners to Allah.

Surah Al Nisa' 4:171:
"O Peole of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say
of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary
Was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, And His Word,
Which He bestowed on Mary, And a Spirit proceeding From Him:
so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist:
It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him;
(Far Exalted is He) above Having a son. To Him Belong all things
in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs".

In the Qur'an, indeed it tells us that Jesus never meant to be considered as God:
Surah Al Ma'idah 5:72
"They do blaspheme who say:
"Allah is Christ the son of Mary".
But said Christ: "O Children of Israel!
Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord".

In the NT, John 20:17, Christ says to Mary Magdalene:
"Go unto my brethren and say unto t hem, I ascend unto my Father and your Father;
and to my God and your God".

Also in the NT, Jesus Christ rebukes a ruler for calling him "Good Master":
Luke 18:19:
"Why callest thou me good? None is good, save One, that is God".

So, dear Moonnah, we Muslims love and respect Jesus and his teachings and actually we do a lot of things that we learned from Jesus' teachings. We greet each other with the same greeting that Jesus did "Peace be upon you" or "Assalamu alaikoum". We make a special ablution (wash) before we pray to God, just as Jesus did. We prostrate in humility and obedience to Allah just as Jesus did, when we pray. We believe in the miracles of Jesus in healing the sick and in making birds out of clay, by the will of Allah.

However, we sincerely believe, that in being a good Muslim, we are following the teachings of the original Gospels and Psalms of David and Jesus' message. We also believe that Jesus will let it be known in the end that he never wanted to be worshipped as God or the Son of God and this would really sadden him deeply that others with a political agenda twisted his message after he was taken up to heaven by Allah. btw, we do not believe that Jesus was crucified nor that he died for our sins. He has not yet experienced death but before the end of time, Jesus, the Messiah will return and he will live and have a family and die before the Last Day. May blessings and peace be upon him.

I hope this helps answer some of your questions :)

Catherine Iman
 

cmelbouzaidi

Junior Member
Also, I forgot to add, Moonnah, that the fact that we Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified in that barbaric manner and did not suffer for my sins sits a lot better with me than the Christian belief. It never did seem fair to me in my pre-Muslim days that Jesus died to save me through no fault of his own :)
 
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