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0mm3afnan
assalamualaikum,
i am really concerned about the innocent shuhada of Gaza but i am also concerned about the innocent and brave victims of Afghanistan , Iraq and the tribal areas of Pakistan.the pain for them is the same and the agony i feel in my heart is just the same.all of them are our brothers and sisters and they are being killed for one specific reason that is Islam and i am a muslim.
but the thing i don't understand(no offense just curious) is that shia dont support Muslims freedom struggle in Iraq,Afghanistan or Chechnya but they support Palestine,why?
i mean its not a bad thing to do but how shia justify their support for Palestine?
 

al-fajr

...ism..schism
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Excellent post.

Rafidi's will never cease to puzzle me ..not because they are successful in their taqqiyya but simply because they genuinely believe we're stupid enough to fail to recognise their inconsistencies and deception.

They should give up, just come clean, what are their true ambitions? To bring shia beliefs on to Palestine, rule from it? SubhanAllaah lies lies ...its part of their aqeedah to actually decieve? How is it better than the heads of the Shayateen who rule the kuffar countries?

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Im not saying every shiah that walks the planet is like this, you find some that reject hardcore rafidi beliefs, some don't curse the Sahaba either.

Its also important not to allow the rafidi to hijack the Ahlul Bayt, Ahlul Bayt are extemely important and theres plenty in the Qur'aan and Sunnah to show that. Also, if they loved Ahlul Bayt so much they wouldnt talk such filth about A'isha (r), wasnt she from among the Prophet :saw: family too?


:salam2:
 

Mabsoot

Amir
Staff member
assalamualaikum,
i am really concerned about the innocent shuhada of Gaza but i am also concerned about the innocent and brave victims of Afghanistan , Iraq and the tribal areas of Pakistan.the pain for them is the same and the agony i feel in my heart is just the same.all of them are our brothers and sisters and they are being killed for one specific reason that is Islam and i am a muslim.
but the thing i don't understand(no offense just curious) is that shia dont support Muslims freedom struggle in Iraq,Afghanistan or Chechnya but they support Palestine,why?
i mean its not a bad thing to do but how shia justify their support for Palestine?

Wa alaykum salam

First of all, SHIRK, Kufr, and Tuqiyyah. This sums them up! Only someone who has little care about his or her Islam, will continue to cheer or support them. How could they, if they know as well as those big sins, that they curse the Companions? They say the most horrid things about A'isah the mother of the believers?

So, continue watching PressTV and fill your brain with Iranian propoganda! Its agenda is to destroy Islam and to gain support in the Middle East. - What do the Raafidah do apart from speak against Muslim countries and accuse them of something they do themselves?? Infact, they are worse and a hidden threat to Muslims.

Iran helped establish "Israel".

Muslims are weak and away from Islam, thus they have no idea about the enemies of Islam. They are quickly duped by any snake tongued, slimey skinned, lizard eyed liar.

The Raafidah are the people who killed many of the Companions of the Prophet :saw: , including Ali (radhiyallahu anhu), Hassan (radhiyallahu anhu), Hussein (radhiyallahu anhu), Uthmaan (radhiyallahu anhu), Muslim bin Aqeel,

They are the ones who have similar characteristics as the Yahud. As they come from Abdullah bin Sabah, who was a known liar even before pretending to be a Muslim. He is named in both the old Shia books and that of Sunnis.. Yet, these days the Shia try to make him into a myth.

But, we can look at the situation today,

Rafidah of Iran and "Israel", they are close close cousins. Perhaps related through Mutah! who knows. They were certainly quite close for a good 30 years! From the beginning of "Israel" establishing itself by the persecution and destruction of Muslims. They had close economic ties and had various joint military research development, including developing missiles. Much of their operations were kept hidden.

Aided "Israel" during various Wars
When the Muslims in Palestine were attacked and killed during the Wars with Israel, such as the six day war, who was supplying Israel with Oil ? Yes, none other than Iran via the Eilat-Ashkelon Pipeline. It was a contributing factor in their success against the Muslims of Palestine!

Their mutual trade has happened to the present day, even if they decieve you by saying that they are against all relations with Israel.

Fund foul mouthed Murderers.


Their recent murderous ventures include being responsible for the funding of Moqtada Sadr and his army, the Mehdi Army in Iraq. People were naive enough to think that this was a legitimate "resistance" against the Americans. It is true, they killed a few of those invaders, however, this is a rag tag army of thugs and criminals.

An army that believes it is the last army sent to mankind! (Thus their name Mahdi Arm! That, these shirk ridden people will be fighting for Imam Mahdi!)-- They are responsible for implementing "Raafidah style Shariah"! These people give Islam a bad name, they hustle, kidnap, torture and kill people. They kidnapped and killed 1000s of our brothers and sisters in Iraq.

Moqtada Sadr is infact related to Hassan Nasrallah, the disbelieving, cursing, leader of "Hizbullah", who shouts his Arabic rhetoric like a street thug. “There is no harm in my being an extension of the Khomeini revolution.”. So you want Khomeini's Revolution?

They oppressed not just Sunnis, but their own people, who live in fear of their police in "Sadr City", which is a slum that Moqtada Sadr and his band of armed militia continue to roam and terrorise.

People are so desperate to make allies with the ones who stabbed the Prophet's own family, his companions in the back? The ones who plot and scheme like the Yahud.

People think about Abu Ghraib, when the Iraqi Raafidah, which is in power now, do worse than that. They took our beloved Imams of Baghdad and of Samarra and of other cities, towns and villages, and drilled them with holes, used electric saws on them, burnt them with cigarettes and tortured them to death. All we hear or see is about a few suicide bombs that happen, but the work of the police force (99% raafidah) is ignored.

Neither Iran, Hizbullah, Syria or any of the raafidah care about Palestinians. You think they care about all our children, the Umars, Aishas, Sufyaans, Muhammads, Abu Bakrs, Khadijahs?

No, it is about consolidating power of their deviant revolution, using Hizbullah in Lebanon, Iran spends millions in buying land, in Lebanon. I was in Lebanon recently and I spoke to scholars in Beirut and Tripoli, the Raafidah try to buy up land in the North of Lebanon in order to have a greater presence in the country. So, the mosques and mayor of tripoli had told people to be aware of this and not to sell apartments to the iranian cash backed trouble makers. - For, at same time, there are gun battles that flare up, between those loyal to the raafidah "Hizbullah" and those who are Sunni.

They were the ones who conspired to kill many Imams in Lebanon. They have rigged cars with bombs, they have disrupted Muslim gatherings and so forth.

How can those who openly do Shirk be good?
They are lying, treacherous, two faced people who do not even worship Allah properly, the worst of whom deify Ali (radhiyallahu anhu), the average Raafidi sets partners besides Allah, by calling to various dead Imams, by giving them attributes that only Allah posseses, such as knowledge of the unseen, knowledge of the day of judgement.

If questioned, they will cover up their beliefs using Taqiyyah, unless they get angry or are among their own, then they openly talk bad about the Sahaba, and about the true Muslims!

The least in disbelief of raafidah are those who do not know their own beliefs! They are the ones that dont pray or know anything about Islam anyway!

How can those who curse the Sahaba be trusted?
As for their cursing of the Sahaba, then they not just curse the sahaba, but, outright make (ta'an), abuse, discredit, speak evil of.. our Sahaba. It is part of their belief. They hold same views of you and me!!

How can those who disbelieve in the words of the Prophet Muhammad :saw: be trusted?

They reject the words of our blessed Prophet Muhammad :saw:, in the hadith of Bukhari, Muslim and all the Sunni resources, because they reject the greatest men of Islam, the companions of the Prophet :saw:, the same companions who are oft mentioned in the Quran as the Ansaar and the Muhajiroon!! The same Companions that the Prophet :saw: spoke highly of, AND the Same companions who helped memorise and transcribe the words of Allah, the Quran!

It is of uptmost importance for every Muslim, man and woman, young and old to hold firm to Islam. To learn the true belief in Islaam. It is not just good to pray, but to know how, why and who we pray to. Infact, every action we do must be in accordance to the true belief of Islam, shining in the light of the Quran and the Sunnah of the blessed Messenger :salallahu alayhi wa salam.

What is Aqeedah, what are Allah's Attributes and how should a Muslim believe them, what constitutes Shirk and Kufr?

If we really love Islam, if we love Allah, the Prophet Muhammad :saw:, his teachings, his family and all his Companions and all the early Muslims, how can we give such people as the Raafidah even 1 second of our time? Or to praise them as our heroes?

Our wonderful brothers in chechnya, the brothers who hide in the mountains and forests, Allah bless them for their great patience. They can not even spend a peaceful night in their own homes. Now, even our sisters
join them in the bad conditions, because of the Russians and their cronies in Chechnya. For they persecute those who are upon the Quran and Sunnah.

Our brothers and sisters in Afghanistan, Kashmir, Palestine and many parts of the world are all suffering for one reason. Their love of Islam.

If we love our Islam, we want to help them, but know, that the change must come from all of us together. It does not come from relying on any army, on any country, on any group. It comes from Allah Subhana wa ta'ala.
 

xSharingan01x

TraVeLer
assalamualaikum,
i am really concerned about the innocent shuhada of Gaza but i am also concerned about the innocent and brave victims of Afghanistan , Iraq and the tribal areas of Pakistan.the pain for them is the same and the agony i feel in my heart is just the same.all of them are our brothers and sisters and they are being killed for one specific reason that is Islam and i am a muslim.
but the thing i don't understand(no offense just curious) is that shia dont support Muslims freedom struggle in Iraq,Afghanistan or Chechnya but they support Palestine,why?
i mean its not a bad thing to do but how shia justify their support for Palestine?
:salam2:

This never fails to puzzle me either!

Filistin: I'm not sure if the Iranians support the cause in Palestine for political reasons or they sincerely sympathize with the Palestinians. Perhaps it's a combination of both.
It is important to remember that the struggle in Palestine was existent long before the Shias had any political authority to exercise their religious agendas [primarily in Iran]. The local Shia of lebanon naturally sympathized with Palestinians even though the Palestinians were of Ahlus Sunnah. Both the Shia of Lebanon and Palestinians are Arabs, so it's not too hard to believe that the Shia can sympathize with the Palestinians.

I think the support Iran gives to Palestinian cause is because of the support received by Palestinian from the Shia of Lebanon. They also use the Palestinian conflict to further their political and religious in the region.
It makes perfect since, because supporting the Palestinians is the best way to score propaganda points with he masses of Muslims. Propaganda points are valuable in shaping public opinion in the short run and in the long run. :D


Of course they will not support the Mujaheedin in Iraq, since majority of the Iraqis are Shia like themselves. To prove the deception of Iran you should examine their position on Chechnya. They never said anything about Cheyennes and furthermore they are busy purchasing weapons from Russia.
They hardly ever say anything about Afghanistan and Somalia.


Some of the Ahlul Bait are Shia some are Sunni, and a few were even amongst the ranks of the resistance ;). They are very complicated.

:wasalam:

P.S. After saying all that, I still think Iranians have some praiseworthy qualities. They are not cowards and they don't behave like slaves when faced with oppression.
 

Mabsoot

Amir
Staff member
Some of the Ahlul Bait are Shia some are Sunni, and a few were even amongst the ranks of the resistance :wink:. They are very complicated.

I am sorry, but this really makes me sad, how can you say this?

They have nothing at all to do with Ahlul Bait. They have nothing,

there is no Shia today, they are rafidah, so they have

N O T H I N G

Zilch,

0 --- Sifr......

There is no resistance, no jihad, except carried out by the people of Tawheed! Every other person who fights upon anything other than this and dies is destined for the hell-fire. Why? Because our actions must be for Allah alone, and we die with the true beliefs. Not those of the murderoous and treacherous Raafidah.

All the Greatest Muslims, The Prophet Muhammad :saw:, his Family, his Companions are Ours, because they all had one belief, pure Tawheed, pure Aqeedah.

The Raafidah are people of Shirk, they are from Abdullah ibn Sabah, a Jew who wanted to corrupt Islam. They are the ones who killed Ali, Hassan, Hussain, who killed many of our Salaf.

P.S. After saying all that, I still think Iranians have some praiseworthy qualities. They are not cowards and they don't behave like slaves when faced with oppression.

:salam2:

Tuqiyyah. They have loud mouths, its all words to try to gain politcal advantage.. alhamdulillah, im glad that you pointed that out in your post! :) just dont do the P.S lol . Dont worry, Allah will aid us and give us victory. Islam can never be destroyed!

Oh my Allah, make the Muslims united and grant us jannatul firdaus, so we can be with the Prophet Muhammad :saw: and his family, Oh Allah grant those who fight to preserve your Deen and the honour of Islam strength to destroy all those who oppose it. All the enemies of Islam, from the dispicable Zionist Jews through to the juhaal who continue to write things from what they do not know!

wasalam
 

Mabsoot

Amir
Staff member
Yahud and Raafidah

Yahud conspired and Killed many of the Prophets, Claimed to have killed the Prophet Jesus (alayhi salam), but he was saved by Allah!

... their cousins,

Raafidah killed Ali (Radhiyallahu anhu), Hassan (Radhiyallahu anhu), Hussain (Radhiyallahu anhu), and continue to kidnap, torture and kill, many of the great Muslims, till this day!

Yahud said Maryam( alayha salam) was Prostitute, (I seek refuge in Allah from their evil!)

... their cousins,

the Rafidaah, they say the same about the Mother of Believers, A'isha Radhiyallahu anha!

The Yahud claimed took their Rabbis and believed their Words over those of Allah,

.. their Cousins,

the Raafidah, do the same with their "Imams", they do Ta'weel, Tamtheel, and all sorts of evil with the Qur'aan, and with the Sunnah, which they have totally disregarded...... except where it suits them. They openly call upon others besides Allah for help, even hang portraits in their houses depicting Hassan and Hussain (radhiyallahu anhum). . Both of whom are distant to anything that these people claim.

... their cousins

The Yahud would take from the Torah what they liked, and cover what they did not like, this is same as

their cousins...

the Raafidah, who use the Hadith of the Prophet :saw: when it suits them, and debate with the Muslims with it, and then disregard those they do not like, such as where the Prophet :saw: forbade temporary marriage.... the disgusting Raafidah, can not accept this, they favour dirty things like that.

Both of them were known for being untrustworthy, treacherous and dangerous to those upon the straight path.

So, nobody be fooled into siding with those who are against 1. Allah, 2. The Prophet Muhammad :saw: 3, the companions of the Prophet :saw: ---

for the Raafidah like to make distinctions between the Sahaba and the Family of the Prophet :saw: which is wrong, just as they want to eat and destroy the Ummah, by pretending to be something they are not, namely Muslims!
 

xSharingan01x

TraVeLer
I am sorry, but this really makes me sad, how can you say this?

They have nothing at all to do with Ahlul Bait. They have nothing,

there is no Shia today, they are rafidah, so they have

N O T H I N G

Zilch,

0 --- Sifr......

There is no resistance, no jihad, except carried out by the people of Tawheed! Every other person who fights upon anything other than this and dies is destined for the hell-fire. Why? Because our actions must be for Allah alone, and we die with the true beliefs. Not those of the murderoous and treacherous Raafidah.

All the Greatest Muslims, The Prophet Muhammad :saw:, his Family, his Companions are Ours, because they all had one belief, pure Tawheed, pure Aqeedah.

The Raafidah are people of Shirk, they are from Abdullah ibn Sabah, a Jew who wanted to corrupt Islam. They are the ones who killed Ali, Hassan, Hussain, who killed many of our Salaf.



:salam2:

Tuqiyyah. They have loud mouths, its all words to try to gain politcal advantage.. alhamdulillah, im glad that you pointed that out in your post! :) just dont do the P.S lol . Dont worry, Allah will aid us and give us victory. Islam can never be destroyed!

Oh my Allah, make the Muslims united and grant us jannatul firdaus, so we can be with the Prophet Muhammad :saw: and his family, Oh Allah grant those who fight to preserve your Deen and the honour of Islam strength to destroy all those who oppose it. All the enemies of Islam, from the dispicable Zionist Jews through to the juhaal who continue to write things from what they do not know!

wasalam

:salam2:

I suppose you're right. I was referring to the Imams they followed in the early stages of Islam. They claim those imams were descendants of Al Hasan and Al Husayn, so even if their claim is true concerning some of the descendants of Al Hasan and Al Husayn wouldn't that qualify their imams as 'ahlul bayt' in the literal sense?

I'm not talking about Sharia perspective on the issue, obviously they wouldn't be considered Ahlul Bayt since they have become Raafida.

As far as I know one of the leading figure of Islamic State of Iraq was descendant of Al Hasan (may Allah be pleased with him). At least that's what they claimed.

Yeh Iranians certainly have loud mouth. lol

Ahmedinijad is a nutcase. :SMILY27:



:wasalam:
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam

Assalamu Allaicomu

Inshallah you all are in the best state of heath and faith dear brothers and sisters.

First of I must say that I am very dissapointed with the question that has been posted on this thread:"i mean its not a bad thing to do but how shia justify their support for Palestine? "
How can something like this can even be asked?Alhamdulillah the Iranian Muslims are helping to our brothers and sisters in Gaza because it is thier duty like Muslims and humans,it is thier Order from Allah,and it is thier love for all those innocent people.
I only do not understand why we always need to find wrong in soemthing that it good Mashallah,and Alhamdulillah Iran is doing something not only for Gaza but for the almost all Muslims contries that passed trough war.

I do not understand why you are disscusing in these kind of moments,when it is not imprtante why someone help but is imprtente that it help.Do you think that our broterhs and sisters in Gaza are asking why Islamic Republic of Iran is helping them?Alhamdulilalh they are greatefull for any kind of help,not only from Iran but from other Muslim countries too and also of those who are not Muslims.

People are always thier to Judge you,and to think that they can see your heart and soul,but soul and heart only belongs to Allah and only Allah knows which heart beets for Him SubhanAllah!!!

And wallahi it wrong for someone to say that has "loud mouth",when you do not know that maybe that the same mouth are making zikr to Allah and His Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.s. every day. And for the title of the thread I do not have words, Astagfirulah.
We havle we la kuwete illabillah


I pray for forgivness for me,my parents and all belivers.Ameen.

May Allahs help and victory come soon.

Salam.
 

Mabsoot

Amir
Staff member
It is not an Islamic Republic, How can you ignore all the aspects of Shirk and Kufr they do?

Dhikr? Their slandering of Sahaba is not Dhikr, their calling upon other than Allah is not Dhikr.

Also, how exactly have they helped them? apart from their usual vitrolic shouting about other countries in the region
 

malickabrother

save Palestine!
:salam2: brothers/sisters,I'm wondering if the Unites States is a muslim country?I don't think so;most muslims today are waiting for the U.S to say"no to the war" for them to be delighted and "running behind U.S" again.
Iran is a muslim country like any other muslim country,if it helps palestine it's their duty to do so as a muslim brother;if it doesn't help it;it has left its duties.
To finish I'll say as human beings whatever knowledge ALLAH accords,that's nothing comapring to HIS,and our knowledge has limits and one the limits is we don't know what are in the hearts and souls of human beings,so we can only judge by actions but not what someone believes and let's be careful about that issue,calling someone a non-muslim while you don't know what's in his heart.
If I'm wrong please forgive and correct me,we're all muslims there's no hatred within us;I just wanted to clarify.
:wasalam:
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
:salam2:

Tuqiyyah. They have loud mouths, its all words to try to gain politcal advantage.. alhamdulillah, im glad that you pointed that out in your post! :) just dont do the P.S lol . Dont worry, Allah will aid us and give us victory. Islam can never be destroyed!



wasalam

Assalamu Alaicum

And wallahi it is very wrong for someone to say that he has "loud mouth",when you do not know that maybe that the same mouth are making zikr to Allah and His Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.s. every day. And for the title of the thread I do not have words, Astagfirulah.
We havle we la kuwete illabillah

Our Prophet s.a.w.s. has thought us that we even respect to non Muslims, and how than that we do not respect our brothers and sisters in Islam, Allhamdullilah.

I only do not understand how someone can laugh in these hard situations for Muslims of Gaza.

And never say for something that you do not know, I know.

:wasalam:
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
:salam2: brothers/sisters,I'm wondering if the Unites States is a muslim country?I don't think so;most muslims today are waiting for the U.S to say"no to the war" for them to be delighted and "running behind U.S" again.
Iran is a muslim country like any other muslim country,if it helps palestine it's their duty to do so as a muslim brother;if it doesn't help it;it has left its duties.
To finish I'll say as human beings whatever knowledge ALLAH accords,that's nothing comapring to HIS,and our knowledge has limits and one the limits is we don't know what are in the hearts and souls of human beings,so we can only judge by actions but not what someone believes and let's be careful about that issue,calling someone a non-muslim while you don't know what's in his heart.
If I'm wrong please forgive and correct me,we're all muslims there's no hatred within us;I just wanted to clarify.
:wasalam:

:salam2:

Yazzak Allah dear brother,and I completely agree with you Alhamdulillah.

May Allah reword you and help to our brothers and sisters in Gaza.Ameen.:tti_sister:
And Insallah they day of Judgment come soon so that everyone can know what he prepaird.

:wasalam:
 

al-fajr

...ism..schism
Staff member

Our Prophet s.a.w.s. has thought us that we even respect to non Muslims, and how than that we do not respect our brothers and sisters in Islam, Allhamdullilah.

Sister,

As muslims we're bound by a covenant, the testification of faith, the proclaimation of Tawheed, if this concept of divine one-ness is violated in anyway, then that belief/system ceases to be from Islaam and the followers of such beliefs cease to be muslims.

So if one attributes qualities to a part of the creation that in reality only belong to Allaah subhana ta'ala, then that is shirk.

Simple?
 

Mabsoot

Amir
Staff member
:salam2: brothers/sisters,I'm wondering if the Unites States is a muslim country?I don't think so;most muslims today are waiting for the U.S to say"no to the war" for them to be delighted and "running behind U.S" again.
Iran is a muslim country like any other muslim country,if it helps palestine it's their duty to do so as a muslim brother;if it doesn't help it;it has left its duties.
To finish I'll say as human beings whatever knowledge ALLAH accords,that's nothing comapring to HIS,and our knowledge has limits and one the limits is we don't know what are in the hearts and souls of human beings,so we can only judge by actions but not what someone believes and let's be careful about that issue,calling someone a non-muslim while you don't know what's in his heart.
If I'm wrong please forgive and correct me,we're all muslims there's no hatred within us;I just wanted to clarify.
:wasalam:

Assalamu alaykum

Firstly, that is not a clarification.

We are dealing with our beautiful and perfect Islam. And the wretched ideas of the Iranian so-called Islamic revolution. The disgusting disbelieving Khomeini and those who follow him, such as Ahmedinejad.

We start with Tawheed. They do Shirk, and all kinds of kufr.

For those who continue to write things in support of these people, you should know what they believe, because this is their mantra, so do not be so naive.

Politically, their motivations are clear, as they never called for helping Palestinians in the past as they use this agenda now, nor have they called for helping the Muslims in other parts of the world. None other than in Iran itself do Muslims suffer!

But, im not here for politics, im here for Islam. We all should be here and love and die for protecting our Islam.

What have they done for Palestine? They have done nothing! Nor would they want to, nor would we want even one of their feet to touch the sacred soil of the masjid al Aqsa. Nor would any decent Muslim, who loves Allah and the Prophet Muhammad :saw: want them to be near it.

Not when their beliefs are so against Islam, not when they call the mother of believer's, names, not when they slander and say that our Sahaba were munafiqoon and disbelievers.

So, my love goes for them, your love can go for the enemies of Islam. Make excuses as you want! There is something called honour, and to actually protect Islam And Muslims, rather than be so gullible to believe every snake that appears saying they are there for Islam.


Where did your honour go? You know?

it went out the window, when you dont care about Shirk, it is the greatest of sins,

it went out the window when you dont care about our Sahaba

it went out the window, when you do not shed tears if you knew the things they said about Aisha' the mother of the Believers!



wasalamu alaykum
 

Mabsoot

Amir
Staff member
It is not really the race or the country, that is an issue

But, their beliefs, which are really against the true teachings of Islam. They are in full want of spreading their corruption everywhere. People do not even know anything about their own beliefs, so how can they know the problems with these Raafidah, the rejectors?

unfortunately, people get mixed into listening to their political rhetoric and ignoring their Islam. And this is very unfortunate.
 
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