should muslims recognize Israel ?

Islam!!yay

Junior Member
:salam2:

I wonder ..what is wrong with recognizing Nation of isreal? Forget about there blind wars against Palestine and other crimes that Israel commits. Why do so many people or some people dont want to recognize Israel ?

Didnt Allah SWT sent them there ? With the guidance of Prophet Mosses
 

a_muslimah86

Hubbi Li Rabbi
Staff member
Okay...

And why not we let France take over Algeria and claim it to be a nation of theirs..

After all..they occupied it for over a century..and military power *guided* them there!

Brother...there's a lot of history and politics behind this topic..look up both..I am sure you will answer your own question..you will be more satisfied that way..believe me :)

:wasalam:
 

stiks

Amatur-Rahman
:salam2:

I wonder ..what is wrong with recognizing Nation of isreal? Forget about there blind wars against Palestine and other crimes that Israel commits. Why do so many people or some people dont want to recognize Israel ?

Didnt Allah SWT sent them there ? With the guidance of Prophet Mosses

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

WHAT NEXT? ALL PALESTINIANS MUST LEAVE?

Go research this topic and write from a position of knowledge! the height of ignorance is not something pretty to watch!
 

Islam!!yay

Junior Member
UNBELIEVABLE!!!

WHAT NEXT? ALL PALESTINIANS MUST LEAVE?

Go research this topic and write from a position of knowledge! the height of ignorance is not something pretty to watch!



Thats why I came here to get some insight on the topic. And why do you call me ignorant ? I heard Jews lived there before muslims did and thats why I brought up the question brother.
 

Der Fragende

ahlu-sunnah.com
:salam2:

If I am not wrong, Exodus 13:17 says, that before jews, others were living in Palestine.
I am not saying, that jews don't deserve living there or something like that, but it should be tried to find a peaceful solution and people should begin to negotiate and communicate without violence.

:wasalam:
 

Abdul Hasib

Student of Knowledge
bro, all I'm saying is that many people (many "MuZLimz") just have some stupid racism against jews. That jews are stupid, and idiotic, and all other bad stuff. All of this is from nothing but PURE STUPIDITY, and those "MuZLimz" that like making fun of Jews are basically wrong in their actions, which is stupid, and unacceptable.

I use to be someone who hated Jews, and thought Jews were bad and all other negative stuff. But after I (Alhamdulillah) came back to Islam (into the SUNNAH and CORRECT practicing of Islam), I understood from the Seerah that Rasulallah (SAW) was NOTHING like that. People think that all Jews are stupid and bad? The Jews of Medinah tried to KILL Rasulallah (SAW); he went to request help to aid the people of Medinah, and as he waited while they left to "collect their money" they plotted to get weapons and ASSASINATE HIM, because "they had the full chance," and Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta Alla sent Jibreel (AS) to tell Muhammad (SAW) of what they tried to do.

What was Muhammad (SAW)'s action that he took? Did he leave, and call upon the Muslims of al Ansaar wa al Muhajireen to mass their army and wipe out ALL THE JEWS of Medinah? Did he bring a group of Muslims to slit the throat of those Jews?




No. Rasulallah (SAW) just got up, and left. He left! That's all what he did!
These Jewish men (who also KNEW that he was the Rasulallah) tried to assasinate him! And all he did was leave! It wasn't later though, till Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta Alla ordered that because of the trangression of the Jews of Medinah (since their leaders and many scholars beleived Rasulallah (SAW) WAS Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta Alla's Nabee), they had to be punished, and Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta Alla warned them in Surah al Ahzaab, Ayet sixty.

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But anyway, as for Isreal; NO I don't think that Isreal has the right to exist. It is a terrorist country, where they murder and massacre MILLIONS and THOUSANDS of Muslims. Not only that, but they also murder and attack Orthodox Jewish Rabbis who spoke a WORD againt the state of Isreal, and they terrorize innocent Jews who have done NOTHING but say that the occupation of Felasteen is illegal, and that ISREAL is an evil country.

Isreal is like another Iran. A big liar on the outside to make ignorant fools get excited, while they kill many innocents who have done nothing wrong.


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But as for me, if I was the leader of an Islamic State, and I was READY to fight Isreal; if I succeed, then I'd let there be NO MORE ISREAL. I would make Jerusalam (or atleast the part with al Quds) to be the capital, and I would NOT give the land to ANYONE; RATHER, I would have it be that the land of Felasteen, and those of the Jews, will ALL be ruled under the Islamic State.

But, I would have it be that the Jews have their rights; that they are to NOT be mistreated or murdered, and that they are to be treatet with KINDNESS and MERCY.

Why? It is only because I knew that Rasulallah (SAW) would do something like that. He would do something like that out of his generosity, and his Mercy, and so that is why I want to be Merciful and Kind, like the way he is, because Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta Alla said (in the Quran):

"And Verily Oh Muhammad; we did not send you except as a MERCY to creation (Alameen)."

"And we have (also) sent you, Oh Muhammad. As the BEST example."



And who is more better of an example than Rasulallah (SAW)? And verily, Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta Alla holds true to his word, and his promise. And Verily, to him belongs all Praise and Gratitude. Ameen.
 

mhamzah

Junior Member
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The brother has raised a very serious point. Unfortunately many of us Muslims have started blaming the Jews (all of them), for what is going on in Israel. We have to be very careful. We dont want to be blamed for the actions of other Muslims, but does it not seem that we too are guilty of accusing all the Jews for the suffering of our Palestinians brothers and sister. The Quran never paints all Jews and Christians with the same brush, rather it uses the words 'Among them', or 'Some of them' or 'A party among them'. We have to be very careful in this regard. Its the zionist Jews we should be blaming and we should remember that not all Jews are Zionists nor are all Zionists the Jews , rather there are more Christian zionists (75 million of them in U,S, for various reasons) than there are Jews. There are many orthodox Jews who speak against Zionism and call an end to illegal occupation in Middle east.

As far as Jews living in that area is concerned, Muslims don't see any problem with that. Jews have throughout histrory lived in Muslim land. When they were kicked out of Spain after Christanity took over where did the Jews go, they came to Muslim lands.

Muslims have said (specially the arab nations) they are ready too recognise Israel as long as it lights border crossing into Gaza and west bank, stop building up illegal settlements, return to 1967 position, that it give up land it captured during 1967 war, let Palestiniens have a seperate homeland either or make it one country with no settlements, illegal wars and they are ready to recognise Israel.


:wasalam:
 

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
:salam2:

If I am not wrong, Exodus 13:17 says, that before jews, others were living in Palestine.
I am not saying, that jews don't deserve living there or something like that, but it should be tried to find a peaceful solution and people should begin to negotiate and communicate without violence.

:wasalam:

Verily, We took the covenant of the Children of Israel and sent them Messengers. Whenever there came to them a Messenger with what they themselves desired not - a group of them they called liars, and others among them they killed. (Qur'an: 5.70).

Brother, I know we are talking on humanitarian ground. Needless to say there are few Islamic countries had already recognised Israel and Israel did promised will recognised independent state of Palestine but remain a lip service until present day.

The earth was created for mankind and everyone of us have equal rights to live and to death here. But how to negotiate to community that never respect any treaties? There are so many resolutions passed by UN Security Council that was not vetoed by US which non of it Israel has complied. You said "communicate without violence" who started the violence? What Zionist had done on Gaza most recently enough to tell us they are the one getting into violence like thugs. History tells me this community even had killed prophets (may peace be upon them all).

Every time they will find an excuse for bulldozing peace treaties, road map and whatever. They poisoned Arafat (though I don't support him) and blamed him for the collapsed of Oslo treaty, in reality who bulldoz the treaty? Where is the independent state of Palestine as promised?

I do agree not all jews are zionist and that muslim did leave side by side with them. But do you know who is really good jews and that really we can negotiate with? I just read today paper, Benjamin Netanyahu said he wants peace with Palestinian...all incoming Israel PM has said this but none walk the talk. The fact is this, the govt of Israel today is run by zionist regime...no way we can negotiate with zionist. UNLESS the govt of Israel are run by good rabbis or those "good jews" that are mentioned here then maybe we can...
 
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