Should she wear niqab?

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    1) In Sunan Abu Dawud Book 32 #4090, Umm Salama (rAa) reports that the women looked like "they had crows on their heads" when they wore jilbabs in obedience to Surah al-Azhab ayah 59. This description seems to indicate a head-covering but not a face covering.

    2) The tafsir of Tabari contains a report from ibn Abbas (rAa) that "draw their jilbabs close around themselves" means "she should draw the jilbab close to her face without covering it" and Shaykh Albani has graded this report as SAHIH.

    Sahih Muslim Book 4 #1926. Jabir ibn Abdullah reported: I observed prayer with the Messenger of Allah on the Id day. He commenced with prayer before the sermon, without adhan or iqama. He then stood up leaning on Bilal and he commanded (them) to be on guard (against evil for the sake of) Allah and he exhorted (them) on obedience to Him, and he preached to the people and admonished them. He then walked on till he came to the women and preached to them and admonished them and encouraged them to give alms, for most of them are the fuel for Hell. A woman having a dark spot on her cheek stood up and said, "Why is it so, Messenger of Allah?". He said, "For you grumble often and show ingratitude to your spouses". And they began to give alms out of their ornaments such as their earrings and rings, which they threw in the cloak of Bilal.

    How in the world could Jabir (rAa) have seen that the woman had "a dark spot on her cheek" unless her face was UNCOVERED? This incident has also been reported by ibn Abbas (rAa) (see for example Sahih Muslim Book 4 #1923).
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    Allahumdulilah i wear niqaab, in the USA!
    May Allah reward those who cover up for the sake of Allah, hijabis and niqabis. Aamein.
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    Alhamdulillah sister for wearing niqab, but it's not a fard. We who wear hijab are not less worth than those who wear niqab. Our good deeds are the one that make us good muslims , mu'mins...
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    I say makesure she 100% sure and happy about it. And she must know shee wont regret it later
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    Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: Asma, daughter of AbuBakr, entered upon the Apostle of Allah s.a.w.s., wearing thin clothes. The Apostle of Allah () turned his attention from her. He said: O Asma', when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this, and he pointed to her face and hands. (Narrated by Abu Dawood # 4092).


    --This Hadith is a Weak Hadith Shiekh Uthaymeen already explained it I gave the explanation in the previous posts, Majority of the Scholars say Niqab is also Fard only a small Minority say they can also show the face and hands.
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    Just a question. In the time of the Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, was it only his wives that wore niqab or did other Muslim women wear it too? Jazak Allahu Khair for any historical evidence provided :)
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    for me personally there isnt enough evidence to support niqab so i will never wear itmy self
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    Salem, please read this, dunno where u got the idea majority of ulama say niqab is fard:


    Commenting on the phrase, “what is apparent”, Ibn `Abbas, the famous Companion and the Qur’an exegete, said, “It means face and hands.” In other words, according to Ibn `Abbas, a woman must cover all her body except her face and hands while in the presence of men who are not related to her directly (and the list of those in whose presence she need not cover is clearly outlined in Surat An-Nur: 31).

    The majority of Imams - including those of the Four Schools as well as others - share the above interpretation of Ibn `Abbas, and thus hold the opinion that a woman is not obliged to cover her face and hands.

    However, a group of scholars, the majority of whom belong to the Hanbalite Juristic School, teach that a woman must cover her face and hands as well.
    In support of their position they invoke a tradition attributed to the Prophet, peace and blessings be on him, stating, “Woman is all `Awrah”, and hence as such, needs to completely covered up. They also reason by saying that the most attractive parts of a woman’s body capable of enticing men are her face and hands.

    The aforementioned position of the majority on this issue seems to be more consistent with the general understanding and evidences of the Qur’an and Sunnah than of those who advocate covering the face and hands as well. There are several proofs which point to this conclusion:

    Firstly, the verse quoted above from the Qur’an, seems to presume that the women it addresses are not wholly covered (i.e. face and hands), since otherwise, there is no sense in ordering both genders to lower their gazes.

    Secondly, it is a general consensus among scholars that a woman is not required to cover her face and hands while performing Salah; if these were deemed to be `Awrah, it would certainly have been necessary to cover them.

    Thirdly, a woman is required to bare her face while she is in a state of Ihram (during Hajj and `Umrah), which again, confirms what we said earlier.

    Moreover, the evidences in the sources – the Qur’an and the Sunnah - are overwhelming in showing that the Hijab as prescribed by Islam was not meant to segregate women or shut them out of the social involvement and participation in the affairs of the Muslim community since the participation of Muslim women - at all levels of Islamic life - is fully documented beyond a shadow of doubt in the sources of Shari`ah. Such active participation as described in the sources is conceivable only if we assume that women were not wholly covered from head to toe.

    In light of the above, we conclude: a Muslim woman is required to cover all her body except her face and hands, according to the majority of scholars belonging to all schools. Covering the head, however, is not at all a disputed issue among them - they all agree that this is a necessary part of Hijab.

    A very important point has to be made here (concerning the point you raised in your question) as it is seldom mentioned in discussions on Hijab. Unfortunately, the onus of guarding the honor and chastity of the Muslim society is often laid solely on the backs of women. While recently, there has been more of a stress on the rules of Islamic dress for men, what needs to be addressed is the requirement of Muslim men to lower their gaze and maintain Islamic decorum in relations with all women - and not just Muslim women. It is not rare to see a Muslim couple walking where the woman is in full Hijab while her husband is gawking at other women, or to see a father instructing his daughter to cover properly before going out, and then turning back to watch a TV show full of improperly attired women. There is wisdom in the Qur’anic injunction to women to cover themselves, and this stated alongside the order to men to lower their gaze. Allah is Just and justice would not be served if women were to be the only guardians of honor.

    The Hijab can become a tool of oppression if Muslim males do not maintain their part of this balance. It is often stated that it is difficult for Muslim men to avert their gaze and interact in business-like-ways with women in a society where such behavior is considered anti-social. To this we can answer that it is just as difficult or even more so for a Muslim woman to maintain Hijab in such a society. These tasks can be a struggle and Muslim males and females should view their respective duties as a social responsibility as well as acts of worship. As Allah states in the last part of the verse on Hijab, “O you who believe, turn ye altogether towards Allah in repentance that you me be successful.” (An-Nur: 31)

    Now coming to the final part of the question - whether we are allowed to put out a person from the fold of Islam because of her refusal to comply with the rules of Hijab. The answer is that we are certainly not allowed to do so. If a person refuses to wear Hijab, after having known that it is a requirement mandated by Allah, then she is certainly a transgressor, and guilty of a serious offence in the sight of Allah, and yet such an offence does not justify anyone to question her basic faith. We must know that in Islam no person possesses the authority to put out people from the fold of Islam based on their sins or violations.”
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    Salem9022,

    You are aware, are you not, that Sheik Albani (Raheemallah), refuted Uthaymeen and the other scholars about the niqab. Not only this, Sheik Albani was known among the scholars of Ahl Sunnah as being one of the most knowledgable Muhadith of their time.

    So, when you have two scholars of the same eminence disagreeing, then it OK to choose of either there opinions, based on whose proofs seem stronger to you.
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    Shiekh Al Albani is a Human being, just like Shiekh Utaymeen and other scholars no One follows them blindly, thats the difference, we take our religion from proofs and Evidences. and no one really responded to my question, why you are using that hadith from Aisha Radi'Allahu'an when it is a weak hadith? I even gave the explanation
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    Salam Alaikum

    I agree with most people previously it is not mandatory but of course if you do it you get more Hasanah (reward). But she needs to certain that she does want to add niqab to her attire, because she cant wear it one day and one day off and so on. Insha'allah this sister makes Du'aa and Allah will guide her for what is better for her.
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    may Allaah reward our sisters who wear nikabs
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    alslamo alaikom .... hejab is an obligation from allah on muslim women and u can assure her this fact from Qur'an sorat al nour (aya 31)
    God bless you
    alslamo alaikom
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    Salamu alaykum

    Brothers and sisters, you are fighting and arguing over something where there is iktilaf (difference of opinion) between the scholars of ahlusunnah wal jamah. No one should take a ruling where there is an ikhtilaf and try to force it on someone else. Yes, there are proofs about niqaab and yes there are proofs about hijaab. However, there is ikhtilaf between the two. Who ever believes that the strongest opinion or proof is for wearing the niqaab, then let them to so. And who ever believes that the hijaab (meaning covering evertying except face and hands) is sufficient, then let them do so. But do not force your opinion what you believe is correct on someone else. May ALlah subhanahu wet'ala bless all our sisters who wear niqaab and hijaab in these hard times.

    I am going to close the thread as i believe that there will be continues arguments. People should look at the proofs from reliable scholars of the sunnah. Scholars who interpret the quraan and sunaah according to the first 3 generations (sahabaa, tabiin, and atba tabi'in). Whoever, explains, interprets this religion other then the salaf (first 3 generations) than he is someone that should not be listened to.

    Barakallahu feekum

    wasalam
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