stop criticising Salafi Scholars

[ahmed_indian]

:salam2:,

we all should be very careful when speaking about our ulama. they might be wrong or have differences but they are inheritors of prophet and better than us.

some members are labeling salafi scholars as blind followers or saudi scholars. just bcoz they are showing truth.

some are saying that salafi scholars do not allow women to wear perfume/makeup outside. but all scholars say that women should avoid them when going utside.

some are criticising salafi scholars that they force niqab (face veil) and dont allow women driving...but that too many hanafi and shafi scholars say. (due to increase in fitnah in today's time).

rulers in other nations dont listen to their scholars, thats y we cant hear their opinions much. lets not divide ourselves over trivial matters. let not our enemies rejoice over our disunity.

 

[Um Abdur Rahman]

as'salamu aaleikom
JazkaaAllah brothe for this topik
We must be very careful when we talk abot Ulama...subhanAllah those pleople study all their lives..and we..are so so insigniicat

Plz..all watch this video

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wa aaleikom salam

 

[Asja]

:salam2:

Alhmadulillah brother noone is critisaising Salafi schoolrs. We are Muslims so we are folowing Allah Word Quran and Sunnah and offcourse we are folowing of Salafi Schoolars that waht is truth and in accordiance with Quran,Sunnah,and other Islamic schools too. All that from their teaching what is not in acording with Quran and Sunnah we do not foolow, as we do not foloow blindly schollars since we all have reason Allhamdullilah.

Driving car is not part of Quran and Sunnah brother. Please we like Muslims have right to use our own reason Allhamdulilah. Is it that we should maybe wait for some new schoolar to come and say "Muslim woman can not educate herselfe or go to college etc. since that can cause fitnah" Asstagfirullah. SubhnaAllah! la illahe IlAllah.
When Muslims will start useing thier stongest power,given from Allah-the reason.

May Allah guide us all

 

[daywalker]

as'salamu aaleikom
JazkaaAllah brothe for this topik
We must be very careful when we talk abot Ulama...subhanAllah those pleople study all their lives..and we..are so so insigniicat

This husn dhan comes only for the scholars with whom we agree, but we dont behave like this if it comes a scholars with whom we disagree. :astag:

what is not in acording with Quran and Sunnah we do not foolow, as we do not foloow blindly schollars since we all have reason Allhamdullilah.

Sister asja, can you mention 3 examples where you have recognized your scholars do not follow quran and sunnah, and you have been able to find quran and sunnah by your ownself and didnt follow the scholars?

 

[allah is with me]

yup bro your right!..
jasakallah khair

 

[Asja]

Sister asja, can you mention 3 examples where you have recognized your scholars do not follow quran and sunnah, and you have been able to find quran and sunnah by your ownself and didnt follow the scholars?

:salam2:

Yes Inhsallah I can mention examples brother.

First example,Inshallah

For example some Schoolars say that it is forbideen for Muslim women to drive a car-because that couse fitnaah Astaagirullah while these the same Schoolrs are forgeting that Allah subhan we teal sais: Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty, that will make for greater purity for them...Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty...O you believers! Turn you all together towards Allah that you may attain success" (24:30,31).
As you can see brother Allah subhan we teala is saying that responsabilty of Muslim man and Muslim women are equel,not literally equel but equel by our resposabilty and by our right given from Allah subhan we teala.That is why I think driving should not be forbidden for women Alhamdulillah and Allah knows the best. Woman can use public transport but her own car. By every logic there is any sense in this SubhanAllah.From Sunnah of Prophet Mohammed sallahu alayhe wa saalam we know the women is that time used to camiles for thier transport which is simular to cars today.

Second example:

There are Scoolars today who say that watching TV is forbidden while we all are usieng TV for watching Islamic and other haalah programs but they still say it is forbidden. la illahe IlAllah!!! And taht the same Schoolr is having his own webiste which is equel to TV,or it can be worst than TV depends how you use it. Again it is about lowering your gaze.

Third example

There are Schoolars who say "Come let us backbit for the sake of Allah":astag:
And here we have clear haadith and ayahs about forbiding backbiting in Islaam or slandering.

"O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion, in deeds some suspicions are sins. And spy not neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting). And fear God, verily, God is the one who accepts repentance, Most Merciful." (49: 12)

I have gave you enough examples brother,and Inshallah if you wish you can look for other examples too.

May Allah bless us all

 

[daywalker]

:salam2:
Yes Inhsallah I can mention examples brother.
I have gave you enough examples brother,and Inshallah if you wish you can look for other examples too.

May Allah bless us all

:salam2: Jazakallahu khairan sister.

 

[Asja]

Sister asja, can you mention 3 examples where you have recognized your scholars do not follow quran and sunnah, and you have been able to find quran and sunnah by your ownself and didnt follow the scholars?

:salam2:

Also to clarify something more Inshallah these are not only "my schoolars", but yours too and of all Ummah.

On the end we are folowing Quran and Sunnah.Am I right?

 

[daywalker]

:salam2:

Also to clarify something more Inshallah these are not only "my schoolars", but yours too and of all Ummah.

On the end we are folowing Quran and Sunnah.Am I right?

yep, you r right

 

[podolski11]

salam alaykum

its all jz confusing there r too many scholars with different views but we follow the ones that come on tv or are famous cause they r grand mufti of the state?....what bout those scholars that dont want to come on world stage?....i think those r real scholars!....and i aint critisizing salafi scholars but i follow the scholars who follow Quran and Sunnah and ALSO LOGIC......

 

[Asja]

Esselamu aleikum

Brother Ahmad_Indian

Maybe you are refering to me for saying some saudis and others are blindly following saudi scholars. First of all you should know that there is no such thing as Salafi scholars. Why do you invent these names?

There are muslim scholars or we can say Islamic scholars. If we are following the salafs in methodology, in Manhaj, that is very good since they are the best of the generations of muslims, that is the first 3 generations as the prophet (pbuh) said. However did Abu Haneefah (ra) said he was a salafi scholar? Did Malik, Shafi, Ahmad call themself that?

I have heard many muslims who heard a lot of naming of people, sufi, shia, wahhabi, salafi, ashari, maturidi, and so on and then they decided to avoid all this and simply call themself muslims.

This is how it should be and if someone is following the salafs in creed that is good since they were the best of the generations.

And what I was critical of was the fact that people blindly follow the saudi scholars and by that I mean people who show one point of view and then ignore the others so that even if you quote the view of the minority you do not even show the evidence that the other scholars show.

This is seen in issues such as Niqaab being fard or not, or leaving of prayer being kuffr or not.

And the issue of women driving is the clearest example we have. There is no doubt it is ALLOWED for women to drive. Now a tiny minority of scholars, which happen to live in Saudi araba has decided to forbidd this and notice that this happen back in 1990 and not before. Before 1990 it was allowed but then they made their decision to forbidd this. Still people quote their view on this issue while the issue on itself is so clear. These saudis on this issue are simply an exception. In the whole world, including all muslim lands this action (women driving) is allowed but not in Saudi. So this is perhaps the clearest example which shows the true nature of blind following.

Also as sister Asja pointed out, if we are to judge by the principle which those who forbade women driving did, then we can also forbid women to even leave their homes. Because we might say there is no Fitnah involved if a women is forbidden to leave her home, or they might demand that a male is present with her otherwise leaving the house would be forbidden. The best way is to look at the prophet (pbuh) and the Islamic society in Medina. The women were back then driving camels. Who has more knowledge, the prophet (pbuh) or the saudis scholars? The prophet allowed women driving camels, they forbidd women driving cars which is far less dangerous than driving camels for women if we should look at the issue of Fitnah being involved.

Also being critical of some scholars isnt itself blameworthy. I mean we have some scholars allowing America to operate and have bases in Arabian peninsula where they launch there attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan. Should we be silent about this? They forbidd women driving but they allow this CRUSADE to happen in the holiest place in Islam? So being critical of some issues itself there is nothing wrong with that. Especially when these issues affect so many muslims.

:salam2:

MashAllah, mashallah dear brother.

I love reading your posts a loot becouse they are full of knowledge and wise thinking. May Allah increase your knowledge more and more.Ameen

And to add that I completaly agree with you in everything that you have said. MashAllah you said the truth.

May Allah bless you

 

[ahmed_indian]

Esselamu aleikum

Brother Ahmad_Indian

Maybe you are refering to me for saying some saudis and others are blindly following saudi scholars. First of all you should know that there is no such thing as Salafi scholars. Why do you invent these names?

not only u brother, there r many on the forums. but mashallah u explained well.

of course we are just muslims, but i used word "salafi" to tell those who label them as such.

now, about women driving and niqab...read the following hanafi scholars view. arent their views same as scholars who are called saudi scholars and salafi scholars or wahabis?

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=0fa3005a27b626c083c2467d3ef35484

http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/ask.pl?q=3652&act=view

 

[Mrmuslim]

:salam2:

Yes Inhsallah I can mention examples brother.

First example,Inshallah

For example some Schoolars say that it is forbideen for Muslim women to drive a car-because that couse fitnaah Astaagirullah while these the same Schoolrs are forgeting that Allah subhan we teal sais: Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty, that will make for greater purity for them...Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty...O you believers! Turn you all together towards Allah that you may attain success" (24:30,31).
As you can see brother Allah subhan we teala is saying that responsabilty of Muslim man and Muslim women are equel,not literally equel but equel by our resposabilty and by our right given from Allah subhan we teala.That is why I think driving should not be forbidden for women Alhamdulillah and Allah knows the best. Woman can use public transport but her own car. By every logic there is any sense in this SubhanAllah.From Sunnah of Prophet Mohammed sallahu alayhe wa saalam we know the women is that time used to camiles for thier transport which is simular to cars today.

Second example:

There are Scoolars today who say that watching TV is forbidden while we all are usieng TV for watching Islamic and other haalah programs but they still say it is forbidden. la illahe IlAllah!!! And taht the same Schoolr is having his own webiste which is equel to TV,or it can be worst than TV depends how you use it. Again it is about lowering your gaze.

Third example

There are Schoolars who say "Come let us backbit for the sake of Allah":astag:
And here we have clear haadith and ayahs about forbiding backbiting in Islaam or slandering.

"O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion, in deeds some suspicions are sins. And spy not neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting). And fear God, verily, God is the one who accepts repentance, Most Merciful." (49: 12)

I have gave you enough examples brother,and Inshallah if you wish you can look for other examples too.

May Allah bless us all

Salam alikom

Sister I really dont know what type of shyokh you listen !

Sister I have never heard any well bowlegged scholars saying anything you mentioned, as for Car driving, each country has its own rules I am really wondering why people making it a big deal if Saudi Arabia dont want women to drive? at least for now!? for thier culture its more safer for women not to drive for now...

None of the scholars said that TV is HARAM, its halaal till you start using it to watch haram things we shouldnt try to claim things on shyokh while they didnt say it. Most of the shyokh say its halaal as long as you us it to watch lectures or Islamic channel etc. once you change from this then its haram. As some of the shyokh say TV is not halaal till you trun it on then it become Haram *meaning if the programs are against the religion*

The respect should be shown to all scholars of Quran and Sunnah even if you dont like what they are saying even if they have difference in opinion. But we have people who do fatwah shop, if they dont like an answer from this sheik he./ she will go to next till they get the fatwah they want...

As for the brother who mentioned that the women use to ride camel at the time of the prophet peace be up on him with any companion? that not correct because for women they had special thing which installed on top of the camel to travelm they never ride camel through out the Medina streets just for the sake of riding camel, the prophet peace be up on him said that a woman doesn't travel except with a Mahram.

As for following the Saudi scholars or not, its up to the person. As for mentioning the scholars of Ahal el sunnah , actually there isn't such thing called shia or ashari, or murtadi scholars because they are not even considered scholars so you cant even bring them to the level of scholars You trying to make no difference between people who curse the prophet peace up on him companion and the scholars of Quran and Sunnah ?

As for driving the car some scholars in Saudi might said its not allowed just because the situation in Saudi Arabia they never prohibited it.