Tabligh

[Ali_H]

I meet with two brothers who have more knowledge then me in islam and one of them is studying in madinah(the one who was giving a lecture in our town talked with him private) and been their for years in madinah and they said that tabligh is kind of sect like a group he said that the prophet s.w.s said. That my people will divide in many groups I think it was 70 groups and only one of them will enter paradise. And then the brother said their is 2 ways of following islam 1.Firmness 2. The sunnah of the prophet and that they tabligh dont fall in any of this two so I started to thinking about it and have been gone for 40 day and just came back from it and I just want to be in the right way nothing else.


What is your views on this subject what do you think about it.

 

[zbhotto]

I donot agree

I also spent some time in Tabligh. Tabligh never uses the approach of argumentation, dialog, logic, authenticity to bring people back to ISLAM even though ISLAM has the strength to face argumentation even with the atheist. They always use the approach of reconciliation. They always avoid discussing disputing issues (political, social, secterian etc), even though these issues are too serious to ignore. They never use different social problems/issues in their sermon. This is the reason different political parties in muslim land love Tabligh so much. Tablilgh has almost zero success in reverting people to ISLAM and absolutely zero strength to defend islam against its sworn enemies. They say everything is predestined and so we do not need to worry about what is happening around us. We just need to preach islam only if someone shows interest on it. When we ask them about their approach of preaching islam they say they follow the way of preaching ISLAM by Prophet Muhammad (SAW) during the first 10-13 year of his prophethood in Mecca. However, they fail to realize that in that time muslims were very weak and very few and therefore, they (companions of prophet Muhammad pbuh) did not preach islam in public.

Tabligh use their campaign to increase their own faith only. However, they are not a sect as you are saying. They are sunni. The difference lies only in the way of inviting people to ISLAM.

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[zbhotto]

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Even in Meca when the muslim number start growing Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his compations (May Allah be pleased with all of them) start to invite people in public. After migration to Madinah people began to accept Islam by hundreds. Prophet Muhammd (PBUH) even sit with the jewish rabbis and use approach of argumentation to claim that he (SAW) is the prophet mentioned in Jewish torah so that the JEW would accept him as prophet.

Tabligh never use the approach of argumentation in their dawah activity.

 

[Muhammad Saleh]

Tablighi jamat(group) was established in late ninteen century to counter chritian missionaries in the sub-continent(India-pakistan-Bangladesh) and spread the message of Islam to ignorant muslims who could have been easily converted to christianity due to their lack of knowledge. it was and still is primarily focused on invoking muslims to practice five pillars of islam even if someone doesnt even miss his tahajud they would make dawa to him about praying five times a day. it was very effective at that time because there were not many ulemas at that time to educate muslims. the only way to spread the message of islam was to reach out muslims in every nook and corner. so they came up with the idea of sending small groups of practicing muslims to every village and small town to educate the muslims who were muslims just because they were born into muslim families. this movement was very effective but the problem is that people who are associated with Tablighi jamat still use same appraoch for doing dawa. and to some extent i agree with their methodology because i know many people here who cant even say Shahada and dont even know the basic things such as how to make wudu. what to say about performing salah.

it is sunni group and follows imam Abuhanifa's mazhab. i dont believe in sects but i dont even consider them as deviants cause they are doing a effective job by reaching out muslims in small villages who might not be approached by someone else. we are so much busy in our lives that none of us is ready to commit time here so that ignorant muslims could be enligthened with the message of islam. its ardous job they travell to remote areas where you cant even find basic neccesseties.as it was established to make dawa in rural areas of the sub continent and it has a role to paly here but they use same approach even if they travel to countries like saudi Arabia. where an ordinary person is more aware about the islam then those Tablighis. the same case is with every muslim movment it has beccome stagnant and doesnt modify its methodolgy with the chaging time. and cosider their way of doing as if it were sunnah. every muslim group or jammat has its success formula. they think if it had worked before then it could be used all the times. their methodology worked but they need to modify it cause its not a sunnah.

Majority of the population here is uneducated and lives in rural areas devoid of even basic neccessities. they are ignorant about basic teachings of islam and still live primitive lives. since it is the only dawa groups here so i think Tablighi jamat has a role to play as far Pakistan is concerned.

i would not advise you to stick with tablighi jammt because you can get knowledge about islam through various other sources as well. i dont have choice here cause every other mosque is a Tablighi mosque. the best way is to be with them and do dawa to them that they need to modify their methodology and propogate Quran and Sunnah only not their way of doing things.this is how i deal with them. if you critcise them it would make them more admant. things are changing here now and people are realizing even Tablighis the importance of adhering to sunnah and Quran.

May Allah guide and unite us all again as a one ummah free of any division and sect. Ammen

here is an informative video by Dr Naik on unity of muslim ummah:
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ry=unity+of+the+ummah+by+dr.+zakir+naik&uni=1

 

[ditta]

As-salaamu'Alaykum wa'Rahmatullaah,

Insha'Allaah, please refer to the ruling below by Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan (hafithahullaah),

Refer to the actual thread as well - http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41405

Question

Jamaa’at at-Tableegh, for example, say: “We want to follow the methodology of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah.” However some of them fall into error and then say: “How can you make rulings on us and warn against us?”

Answer

Those who went out with Jamaa’at at-Tableegh and studied with them even wrote against them. Many people wrote about them, presenting the errors that they have. So you must read what has been written about them so that the ruling in this regard may become clear to you.

Amongst those wrote about the Tableeghi sect, brilliantly clarifying and exposing their methodology is the noble Shaykh, Sa’ad bin ‘Abdir-Rahmaan Al-Husayn, may Allaah preserve him, in his book: “Haqeeqat-ud-Da’wah illAllaah wa maa ‘khtussat bihi Jazeerat-ul-‘Arab wa Taqweem Manaahij ad-Da’waat al-Islaamiyyah wa-Waafidah Ilayhaa”, whose production and publishing was supervised by the noble Shaykh, Faalih bin Naafi’ Al-Harbee.

On page 70 of the first edition, the following is stated with regard to the Tableeghi sect’s understanding of the statement Laa Ilaaha Illaa Allaah:

“Removing the corrupt certainty of matters from the heart and entering the correct certainty of Allaah’s Essence, means: There is no Creator except Allaah, there is no Provider except Allaah, and there is no Administrator except Allaah.’ This definition doesn’t go beyond that of the Tawheed of Ruboobiyyah (Lordship), which even the polytheists during the time of the Prophet agreed with and acknowledged, but which didn’t enter them into Islaam.”

He went on to say in page 70:

“Our creed (i.e. that of the Tableegh) is Hanafee in the Fiqh madh-hab; Ash’aree, Maatureedi in Creed; and Jishtee, Naqshabandi, Qaadiree, Sahrawardiyyah in Sufi Order.”

(This also occurs in page 81 of the Second Edition)

Shaykh Hamood bin ‘Abdillaah At-Tuwaijiree, may Allaah have mercy on him, also wrote a valuable book about them, unique in its nature. This is the most comprehensive work that has been written about this sect, such that he compiled in it a clarification of the reality of this group based on their books, while refuting them, and using the testimony of reliable witnesses from their own ranks and others who had attained exclusive positions with the Tableegh’s leaders and followers. All praise be to Allaah, this book is in print, and it goes by the name: “Al-Qawl-ul-Baleegh fit-Tahdheer min Jamaa’at at-Tableegh.”

Major Muhammad Aslam, may Allaah have mercy on him, also wrote about them. He was a Pakistani national and one of the graduates from the Islamic University of Madeenah. Also, the Shaykh, Dr. Muhammad Taqee-ud-Deen Al-Hilaalee, may Allaah have mercy on him, wrote about them in his book: “As-Siraaj-ul-Muneer fee Tanbeeh Jamaa’at at-Tableegh ‘alaa Akhtaa’ihim.”

This is one of the most comprehensive books written about the Tableeghi sect, and it is an explanation of the book from Muhammad Aslam. The reality of their affair has been made clear to many of those who had been deceived by them, and so they have withdrawn from them and warned against them. What is sufficient with regard to criticising them is that they have no concern for calling to Tawheed. On the contrary, they chase others away from it and from those who call to it.

All praise be to Allaah, Allaah has sufficed us over following this man and that man. So we have the path of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah, which we adhere to. And we do not have over us a Jamaa’ah (group for conveying (tableegh) or not conveying. We are not in need of this. So what is there after the truth except falsehood?

As for their realities, then many books have been written about them, so examine them and you will come to know. And those who wrote about them are from those who went out with them, travelled with them and mingled with them. So they wrote against them based on knowledge and insight.

Reference: pg. 38-39

You can also refer to the post below,

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?p=234875#post234875

This has been brought up before and has been dealt with so the thread is closed.

Walaykum-us-Salaam wa'Rahmatullaah.