Discussion in 'New and Current Affairs' started by imran-anwar-khan, Jul 7, 2016.
You really should know that not all terrorists are muslim or "brown skinned". Mair was labeled as a terrorist because his actions were that of a terrorist. That's plain obvious. Look beyond the media and what it chooses to show in order to sell its tabloid trash and manipulate the masses. Not all people are stupid not to see what is plain truth.
Remove the chip off your shoulder and stand tall.
One thing for sure, a beautiful life was lost, a husband is left without his beloved wife and young children without their mothers love. More importantly humanity has lost a great champion for good in the world. Jo will live on in the hearts of those who loved her and I hope her legacy will continue to be a force for good in the world.
The British Mass Media is and always has been interested in sensationalism, what sells, provocation, incitement and racism; this is nothing new. What is different is that some people have started to reflect, can see beyond the words, imagery and propaganda and have informed opinions about the world around them.
The murder of one of their own is not something that disturbs them, its just a person and a story they can use and blow up to serve a purpose. As Cariad has inferred we should not be surprised about the British media's use of words, choice of perspective, shift from 'terrorist' to 'loner' angle or anything else for that matter. They are just doing what everyone expects them to do- write and produce copy that sells and makes a handsome profit. It doesn't have to be true and it certainly doesn't matter if anyone is hurt or demonised on the way or if anyone is slain either. Good marketing and increased revenue is all that is important.
It's not just British media.. It is a global issue. For mass I would read tabloid. It's not difficult to see beyond that which some factions would like to focus our attention on and use ones common sense, and so reach a conclusion about what is likely to be truth.
I agree in part, I was thinking specifically of the British public and their retention of what the mass media within the country decides is important. This includes the general apathy many British people possess in believing what is presented either as facts or as evidence of what must be true.
I do agree it is also a global issue, but from what I have learned as a politics undergraduate is that the British mass media is among the greatest deceivers and manipulators of news in modern times.
Well, (bit in bold) this is as you say what you have learned, possibly some on the same course as yourself may see it slightly differently. It's a wide brush you tar British mass media with. Or should we define what is meant by "mass" are we talking tabloid or including all? Tabloid media is also known as the "gutter press" an appropriate label in many cases IMHO.
There are however many journalists among the British press who are worthy of the name and have uncovered and publicised many issues that certain sectors of society would like to keep under wraps. People such as these go some way to bringing the guilty and corrupt to the public eye and so to justice. On balance, I feel we have in general a decent media for the most part honest in their handling of news issues. It's because of this it makes it easy to see the gutter press for what it is. Of course, the control of the masses by the gutter press comes down to intelligence of the readers, we can't do much about that. Education is free but it still remains the individuals responsibility to take advantage of it.. At least pass a certain level.
There are some countries in the world where governments control ALL media and their people as a consequence have little knowledge other than what they are allowed. We are far away from that! We also have the press complaints commission if we feel the need. You
Thank you for your contribution. I stand by what I said in my earlier post, although I accept and am aware investigative journalists among others exist that seek to determine facts and other aspects of information for the public good, however they are in the minority.
On the whole, both British print and broadcast journalism are not for the purpose of the public good, do not serve our interests, are very manipulative, untruthful, untrustworthy and deliberately inaccurate. That is not to say they don't tell the truth; they say part of the truth, distort words and statements of those they wish to vilify or demonise and intentionally falsely interpret [not misinterpret] themes, messages and belief systems where it is required.
Why I do say this?
Let me start with the press. Print Journalism is 'free' in theory, but most newspapers are privately owned and often by very wealthy individuals and it is their opinions, perspectives and views that are disseminated. My degree outlined that by and large any journalist that swerves from the official line can and is often dismissed at the first opportunity. Any additional output, story, viewpoint, even another fresh source not otherwise introduced at the outset and approved with the correct wording from the editors and owners is automatically rejected and the individual journalist severely reprimanded or in some cases dismissed. There is a Press Complaints Commission where necessary to show it is again 'free', but the PCC is self governing, meaning it is not independent.
Broadcast journalism is a little different. The BBC [both TV and radio] is a state owned industry and hence is not 'free'. In my degree, the course stated the government's purpose is to present a few sides of an argument but attempt to persuade the viewer or listener its own version is correct by humiliation, discrediting opposing opinions, giving less air time in comparison and where possible to show weak reasons or poor presenters. Those outside the BBC such as other TV channels, satellite TV are similarly privately owned [with a growing number of non wealthy owners now, but they are still smaller in comparison] and it is again those with the license to operate and deliver what is shown, how it is shown, what is not shown etc. You would expect such things, but it is nevertheless quite apparent.
The other side of 'exposure' as you mentioned is that some journalists look for truth, hidden information and dig deep. But, at the risk of sounding obvious; there is a non interest in many themes at higher level; meaning central government and global news when something does come up; journalists are either just not interested or are unable to follow through because of tight controls to the stories. One example that comes to mind is the Pro-Israel stance so many British media agencies have adopted regardless of what laws Israel breaks etc.
Then we are all doomed. Despite my situation or maybe because of it who knows. I remain forever an optimist. No matter how bad a picture you like to paint of British media, (which for sure is far from perfect) it is not all bad and I don't believe we are in a worse situation than many other countries in the world. You insult a great many peoples when you imply we can't tell the difference between truth and media spin. Yes people have an agenda.. And a bias. It's clear you do yourself.. Not maybe agenda but for sure personal bias. Normal state for all I think.
Do you for example believe the people of the North African countries that in recent years had revolution ever had the truth from their media?
No you misunderstand me. I am also an optimist, but I am also a realist and no we are not all doomed. I pointed out to you the British mass media is among the worst there is and despite what you and many others think, it does influence people greatly to its elitist and so called balanced and truthful worldview despite the fact that a minority of the population represent it.The British mass media plays its part in making this worse. It seems you have not studied the British mass media in depth and are unaware of its ins and outs and that shows.
The situation in the UK may or not be better or worse than other countries, that was never my point. I don't try to insult people; you can see for yourself in what people choose to believe, what they choose to read, how they interpret what is happening around the world and who says or does what. But I do agree many people either can't or choose not to try to tell the difference between fact and media spin. It seems by being British you don't want to see this as being a major issue and yes it is bigger here than in numerous nations around the world. Yes I do have bias, but not an agenda, and as you said its normal, just like you yourself do. As a human being and not being God its not something I can help and its not something I lose sleep over, I accept it and move on, what more do you expect.
In respect to North African countries (and numerous other countries around the world for that matter) the state controls the mass media and in general; what's your point and relevance to this thread. Second for what its worth, you are probably aware of direct and in other instances indirect British involvement in supporting and propping up so many of the world's most oppressive regimes and then condemning them decades later when it suits them. Those authoritarian and totalitarian nations remain the same, only British support for them diminishes and while the role of those same dictators is magnified and shown to be worse than it was, the British involvement in championing them is significantly reduced and this is what I mean, many British people don't give it a second thought and just accept it. If you believe most British people can see this for what it is then why don't they see their own leaders and governments as being the same or as they should, even worse in their judgment. Many turn a blind eye. I don't say all British people are like this, but a very large number are.
Just to illustrate one example; Winston Churchill is responsible for the deaths of more people worldwide than Hitler ever was (those killed were not English of course), but who is the monster and who is the hero. Churchill was voted as the greatest Briton a few years ago by the British public and he will always be seen as great. His racism, his xenophobia and even what is now known from his private papers and other verified sources, his personal involvement in ordering the mass killing of German and Polish civilians in Poland in 1939 and blaming it on the Nazi Germany, so that Hitler would invade the country among so many other things, is conveniently ignored and no doubt will continue to be.
The world is doomed and everyone in it. No one can change that... It's only time. I do see what's going on and can see what role the media plays. The U.K. Is finished now and yes the media circus has a large part to play in that. See what you want to see you can read history how you wish to read it. It doesn't matter life continues. For me today I just don't care enough for the future to worry about it. So I move on as you say
Abu juwairya .. this - is what it is we see only in part. Until it is made clear. Till then we make of life as we will.
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there areprophecies, they will fail; whether there aretongues, they will cease; whether there isknowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
And we know God is love and that's all that matters. It's because man forgets this we go wrong. The media whoever.. All with agenda they live for today they seek to change what cannot be changed. So it's all for naught.. By their efforts as our own we are doomed. We should know in big scheme we are nothing
Fine, I will, and I hope you find what you are looking for both here and in the afterlife.
Thank you for your biblical quotation/s. It took a while to read and to digest fully for full comprehension, but understandable nonetheless. Thanks again and I wish you well. For all that I have said I wish to apologise if any of it hurt, that was not my intention and was not deliberate.
It's ok. I have it I am at peace in my life. Like sort of being resigned to whatever is my future. By letting go and relying on God in totality. Life is light. I was extremely disheartened by the recent political events in the UK and truly saddened by the role of the media. I watched like a powerless bystander as people were carried along by the wave of hatred, xenophobia and racism and knew the inevitable end would be what we now face. I felt like weeping at seeing the realisation of people that knew not what they had voted for and were horrified by the consequences. A friend said to me "don't sweat the small stuff.. Let go of what you cannot change. Leave it to the Lord He has it in hand" so I did. so.. What happens of man is nothing.. Even in our lifetime major events are consigned to history. Life continues, because that's Gods will and it's from Him that we find the strength we need to overcome adversity of our own making. It plays out at times like a comic opera, except that human suffering is for real. Yet, even that is transitory. Love, a two way thing. It has to be in order for it to mean anything, the verse above I feel encapsulates the concept of love perfectly. God loves me and I love Him back.
Dear, no need for apology. Life is good. We must all make the best of it as we can.
If I sometimes seem brusque in manner or hurtful with words or even Lord forbid rude. Like yourself it was never intentional or deliberate. Internet forums can be a difficult medium to explain ones point.
Peace to you.
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