Here is the english translation of the interview of former director general ISI, Javaid naseer. This was originally posted by HelpingHumanity and can be viewed at
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47133
I have tried my best to translate it. Please forgive me if I have made any mistakes.
Javaid reprents General Javaid Naseer while the other is host of the program.
Host: Hasn’t Pakistan fought the proxy war for America in Afghanistan (against Russia)? And isn’t America the single super power in the world? Doesn’t Pakistan have its hand making America, the super power?
Javaid: Pakistan, arabs and afghanis have the hand in making America, the super power. But, They now call such people “terrorists”.
Host: Why didn’t you cooperate with CIA to give back the unused stinger missles?
Javaid: This is a lie.
Host: You keep buying stingers from Mujahideen to give them back to America. Why?
Javaid: There was a reason behind it. If we wouldn’t have bought those, they would have gone in wrong hands. There was also Pakistan’s interest in all that but it’s strictly confidential.
Host: Do you accept the fact that you met with Usama in jalalAbad and kandhar in 1995 and 1996?
Javaid: This is wrong. People don’t know that Usama was the blue eyed of USA. They used to like him a lot. The whole problem got started when Usama said to king of Saudi Arabia that The US marines, which he has brought in KSA, are trying to change the culture of KSA as they have girls who walk around in knickers. Either you get them out or we will let you out.
Then the king took American support and Usama was then started to be called “Terrorist”.
Host: Is this a fact that you are closely linked to “harkat ul mujahideen”?
Javaid: (laughing) I have heard their name for the first time.
Host: You did airlift sophisticated anti-tank guided missiles to bosnia. This is against the international embargo laws. Do you think it’s fair?
Javaid: All the international laws are against muslim and poor countries. We should not be slave of them.
Host: Do you agree with General Naseer ullah baber that ISI should not be linked with politics?
Javaid: Yes, I agree 100%.
Host: Do you think that ISI is state within a state and it’s not answerable to any one?
Javaid: Govt. has given them powers and they aren’t answerable to anyone. It’s not like state within state. I have never used ISI for that. I was the first general who put himself under command of core commander.
Host: In 1995, the plan used to remove Benazir govt. was fully supported by you and you were involved in it. Do you agree? Hussain Haqqani (the current Pakistani ambassador in USA) has written about it in the book “Mosque and military”.
Javaid: (laughing) I never knew that. I am hearing it for the first time. Whatever they have in their mind, they write it.
Host: You proposed a few suggestions after Kashmir problem is solved. One of them was sending Jamat Tableegh to india. Do u agree? Also, would you allow the hindu preachers to come into Pakistan?
Javaid: Yes, I did. Hindu doesn’t have any jamat like that.
Host: Do you agree that you bought a piece of land for ISI, against which a case was filed in court?
Javaid: (laughing) Its total fraud and lie. We did buy a few bangalows for ISI since people were leaving them and they were cheap and also, it saved us from new construction and taking bangalows on rent.
Host: Why did you put the whole budget for ISI foreign exchange into Mehran bank?
Javaid: Because the return on investment was huge.
Host: But that return was collected by Javed ashraf qazi himself.
Javaid: Don’t make me talk about him. He was the one who used to send material for his personal interest, to Lahore, on ISI trucks. How can you trust that person? It was due to my premature retirement; bank called him and gave him money.
Host: A case was sent to NAB (national accountability bureau) against you which was closed for unknown reasons. Why the case was filed and why it was closed?
Javaid: I thank you for raising this point. NAB has provided me clearance for property in Karachi and Punjab. They also said that they will file case on that person who has initiated this false claim.
Host: Why are you being blamed too much?
Javaid: Its due to my appearance (he has long beard mashALLAH and Amama on his head. A complete Sharia appearance )
Host: You say that we should not sign CTBT as it will make our nuclear plant open for inspection which will make their location visible ( no one knows about them right now) and America will destroy it in conjunction with India.
Javaid: When I said that, US forces were not in Pakistan. Now they are all sitting here. If you do it, all information will be transferred to them.
Host: Do you think that America doesn’t have any information about out nuclear plants?
Javaid: They didn’t have that much information earlier (when Javaid was DG ISI) than they have now. We still don’t know how much information they have about out nuclear plants.
Host: You wrote in your article that in Ojhri camp (the ammunition depot in Rawalpindi, Pakistan), there were 500 stingers missiles. America realized that after Russia will go out from Afghanistan, Pakistan will get these missiles and this will imbalance the power factor south asia. Is this true?
Javaid: The figures are not correct. This is what the America was saying. The officers even never knew where these stingers were placed. It was America who caused destruction of Ojhri camp. How could those 4 wisers, 2 of them were from America and 2 of them were from western Europe could reach there at ojhri camp before the troops could reach from Kharian ( a place near Rawalpindi)to Ojhri Camp. How is that possible?
All I want to say is that this is only possible only if these people (4 westerners) knew that blast is going to happen. These people where concentrated at some place and as soon as blast happened, they immediately came in and repeatedly asked about stingers.
Host: You said that you were the first general who has long beard and you changed the tradition that generals must always be clean shaved. Is that right?
JAvaid: Yes, I say that even now. No in-service general has beard. This is so because we are slaves of british.
Host: You advised Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in march-april 1993 that we should sell uranium in defence fair, which was being held in dubai. In this way, you wanted to convey the message that we have a big amout of depleted uranium. Is that correct?
Javaid: APFS-DU is special anti-tank weapon whose weight is 13kg, the core of which is made up of that depleted uranium. The reason they weren’t allowing us to get nuclear power generation facility was that they will get rich plutonium from it.
Host: Were you offered the position of chief of army staff?
Javaid: Yes, I was the first one who was offered that but I refused so that I could prepare for my akhirah.
Host: Do you admit that America put you down from the position of director general ISI?
Javaid: Yes
Host: Then how would America have allowed to become army chief?
Javaid: Yes, thats the thing. There was a difference of opinion between Prime Minister nawaz sharif and president Ghulam Ishaq khan, over Ghulam Mohammad (the person to be elected as chief). When I said we need someone religious for this army, then ghulam ishaaq khan said that “isn’t one enugh already? How can we have two of you”?
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47133
I have tried my best to translate it. Please forgive me if I have made any mistakes.
Javaid reprents General Javaid Naseer while the other is host of the program.
Host: Hasn’t Pakistan fought the proxy war for America in Afghanistan (against Russia)? And isn’t America the single super power in the world? Doesn’t Pakistan have its hand making America, the super power?
Javaid: Pakistan, arabs and afghanis have the hand in making America, the super power. But, They now call such people “terrorists”.
Host: Why didn’t you cooperate with CIA to give back the unused stinger missles?
Javaid: This is a lie.
Host: You keep buying stingers from Mujahideen to give them back to America. Why?
Javaid: There was a reason behind it. If we wouldn’t have bought those, they would have gone in wrong hands. There was also Pakistan’s interest in all that but it’s strictly confidential.
Host: Do you accept the fact that you met with Usama in jalalAbad and kandhar in 1995 and 1996?
Javaid: This is wrong. People don’t know that Usama was the blue eyed of USA. They used to like him a lot. The whole problem got started when Usama said to king of Saudi Arabia that The US marines, which he has brought in KSA, are trying to change the culture of KSA as they have girls who walk around in knickers. Either you get them out or we will let you out.
Then the king took American support and Usama was then started to be called “Terrorist”.
Host: Is this a fact that you are closely linked to “harkat ul mujahideen”?
Javaid: (laughing) I have heard their name for the first time.
Host: You did airlift sophisticated anti-tank guided missiles to bosnia. This is against the international embargo laws. Do you think it’s fair?
Javaid: All the international laws are against muslim and poor countries. We should not be slave of them.
Host: Do you agree with General Naseer ullah baber that ISI should not be linked with politics?
Javaid: Yes, I agree 100%.
Host: Do you think that ISI is state within a state and it’s not answerable to any one?
Javaid: Govt. has given them powers and they aren’t answerable to anyone. It’s not like state within state. I have never used ISI for that. I was the first general who put himself under command of core commander.
Host: In 1995, the plan used to remove Benazir govt. was fully supported by you and you were involved in it. Do you agree? Hussain Haqqani (the current Pakistani ambassador in USA) has written about it in the book “Mosque and military”.
Javaid: (laughing) I never knew that. I am hearing it for the first time. Whatever they have in their mind, they write it.
Host: You proposed a few suggestions after Kashmir problem is solved. One of them was sending Jamat Tableegh to india. Do u agree? Also, would you allow the hindu preachers to come into Pakistan?
Javaid: Yes, I did. Hindu doesn’t have any jamat like that.
Host: Do you agree that you bought a piece of land for ISI, against which a case was filed in court?
Javaid: (laughing) Its total fraud and lie. We did buy a few bangalows for ISI since people were leaving them and they were cheap and also, it saved us from new construction and taking bangalows on rent.
Host: Why did you put the whole budget for ISI foreign exchange into Mehran bank?
Javaid: Because the return on investment was huge.
Host: But that return was collected by Javed ashraf qazi himself.
Javaid: Don’t make me talk about him. He was the one who used to send material for his personal interest, to Lahore, on ISI trucks. How can you trust that person? It was due to my premature retirement; bank called him and gave him money.
Host: A case was sent to NAB (national accountability bureau) against you which was closed for unknown reasons. Why the case was filed and why it was closed?
Javaid: I thank you for raising this point. NAB has provided me clearance for property in Karachi and Punjab. They also said that they will file case on that person who has initiated this false claim.
Host: Why are you being blamed too much?
Javaid: Its due to my appearance (he has long beard mashALLAH and Amama on his head. A complete Sharia appearance )
Host: You say that we should not sign CTBT as it will make our nuclear plant open for inspection which will make their location visible ( no one knows about them right now) and America will destroy it in conjunction with India.
Javaid: When I said that, US forces were not in Pakistan. Now they are all sitting here. If you do it, all information will be transferred to them.
Host: Do you think that America doesn’t have any information about out nuclear plants?
Javaid: They didn’t have that much information earlier (when Javaid was DG ISI) than they have now. We still don’t know how much information they have about out nuclear plants.
Host: You wrote in your article that in Ojhri camp (the ammunition depot in Rawalpindi, Pakistan), there were 500 stingers missiles. America realized that after Russia will go out from Afghanistan, Pakistan will get these missiles and this will imbalance the power factor south asia. Is this true?
Javaid: The figures are not correct. This is what the America was saying. The officers even never knew where these stingers were placed. It was America who caused destruction of Ojhri camp. How could those 4 wisers, 2 of them were from America and 2 of them were from western Europe could reach there at ojhri camp before the troops could reach from Kharian ( a place near Rawalpindi)to Ojhri Camp. How is that possible?
All I want to say is that this is only possible only if these people (4 westerners) knew that blast is going to happen. These people where concentrated at some place and as soon as blast happened, they immediately came in and repeatedly asked about stingers.
Host: You said that you were the first general who has long beard and you changed the tradition that generals must always be clean shaved. Is that right?
JAvaid: Yes, I say that even now. No in-service general has beard. This is so because we are slaves of british.
Host: You advised Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in march-april 1993 that we should sell uranium in defence fair, which was being held in dubai. In this way, you wanted to convey the message that we have a big amout of depleted uranium. Is that correct?
Javaid: APFS-DU is special anti-tank weapon whose weight is 13kg, the core of which is made up of that depleted uranium. The reason they weren’t allowing us to get nuclear power generation facility was that they will get rich plutonium from it.
Host: Were you offered the position of chief of army staff?
Javaid: Yes, I was the first one who was offered that but I refused so that I could prepare for my akhirah.
Host: Do you admit that America put you down from the position of director general ISI?
Javaid: Yes
Host: Then how would America have allowed to become army chief?
Javaid: Yes, thats the thing. There was a difference of opinion between Prime Minister nawaz sharif and president Ghulam Ishaq khan, over Ghulam Mohammad (the person to be elected as chief). When I said we need someone religious for this army, then ghulam ishaaq khan said that “isn’t one enugh already? How can we have two of you”?
