What is the proper gift?

Living_Paradox

New Member
Let me explain this fully first. I have a friend who is a Palestinian Muslim, he is in his 50s and pretty conservative by nature. He was my supervisor at work and we had many interesting discussions/debates (never religion related, usually politics or modern events). I have met his wife and most of his children. He is no longer my supervisor (I moved to a different department for more opportunities) and recently he invited me to come to his house one weekend for lunch/dinner and catch up with what has been going on in our lives.

Now my question is what sort of gift can I bring that would be proper and not disrespectful to him when I come over? I live in the USA and what I would normally bring over to a friends house would be beer, which I obviously cannot do in this case. Personally I feel like I am taking advantage of his hospitality if I do not bring something with me. I want to show my appreciation and respect at his offer of inviting me over to his home.

I guess I should also add that I would believe he has adapted pretty well at the merging of both cultures in his life (Western and Middle Eastern). He was raised in the Middle East (like most Palestinians, in a number of different countries). I would say he is very conservative by Western standards, but most likely progressive by Islamic standards (from what I remember of our conversations).

What would be a good gift/present to bring? Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated :) This weekend get together is not going to happen till July (I do not have weekends off until then), so I have time to get the perfect gift :)

Thanks in advance :)
 

hayat84

I'm not what you believe
:salam2:
here in Morocco,when somebody makes a visit to another one,it's used to give a particular kind of sugar which is then used to ensweet the tè.it's also a good gift a plateau of fruits of any kind(banans,peaches,apricots...)and if there are little children it is really appreciated if it's brought them some bon bons,cookies,yougurt...in all this time maybe you saw how this man behaved in his life and his abitudes.I hope it will help you:wasalam:
 

finding light

Ya Rab! Forgive me..
Hi,
Hope i'm not too late....
You could take with you a box of chocolates - can never go wrong with chocolate :) a box of biscuits, you could make a dessert and take with you... basically anything sweet - home-made or otherwise. But if you are not Muslim (which I am assuming as you wrote about taking beer), then they might be a bit doubtful about something home-made. So best bet a box of good ol' cadbury's... (Disclaimer: im not promoting the brand - just think its quite common - you know "Milk tray"... everyone loves a Milk Tray :) )
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Hello,

I am old fashioned..flowers for his wife. Please do not take a plant; some people do not like plants but fresh cut flowers.
 

finding light

Ya Rab! Forgive me..
Flowers for his wife?! ERRRR.... might not be very appropriate. Wouldnt wanna step on HIS toes... Some people might not understand or appreciate that...

And I loooove plants... prefer them to flowers. Im a greeny..

In any case - as long as it is not something unlawful, Im sure that whatever you take will be appreciated.

And Im also sure that your date and come and gone - let us know what you took. And since this is your only post - I doubt you wil be back :p
 

Living_Paradox

New Member
I am still lurking :)

Just busy with a move I am doing this week. I am getting many good ideas from here and one other location I posted the same question. I feel kind of foolish, because some ideas were obvious, but I could not get past what is the general norm in western culture.

I told him that I will not have weekends off until July (it is true), so I will be heading to his house then.

I will be sure to update this thread and let everyone know what I decide to take and then again later on how well it went.

I also realize that this is my only post and response. I do have a natural curiousity to understand different concepts and faiths, but if I did ask certain questions they could be considered as nothing but flame comments, so I am quiet.

Maybe I will post an essay I wrote at the grave of Malcolm X when I went there to pay my respects. Yet it has little to do with his faith and more about him. I just do not think much of what I would say is proper for this site.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam alaikum,

Flowers for the wife as she is cooking the meal. Some people do not like to take care of plants. It is not stepping on toes and is impersonal. Not roses but an attractive bloom assortment.

As for the Malcolm X thought. He was a Believer. He is a voice that needs to be heard. He understood the need for community. He understood the need to be economically self-sufficient. Write your thoughts, please.
 

hayat84

I'm not what you believe
I personally don't like if another man gives me flowers or whatelse,above all if he's friend of my husband,I've nothing to do with him.it's contrary to what Sunna says,maybe.we struggle for not shaking hands with the opposite gender,and we accept flowers from other men,even if for kindness?I don't know,everybody has his idea:wasalam:
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Asalaam alaikum,

There are points of etiquette that are unspoken. They actually have finishing schools to teach women how to be ladies. Why would you put such a spin on such a neutral gift. Women receive flowers for many occasions. It is a simple and neutral and beautiful gift.

On the job a way a boss expresses his or her appreciation is to send you flowers. They are neutral.

Please tell me where in the Sunna it says a guest can not bring flowers to the hostess...do not let the limitations of culture make haraam that which is not.

This is a gesture of appreciation, nothing more. A man is asking what is not going to seem rude or offensive. Candy is a difficult gift to give. People have medical conditions; jewelry is out of the question; you need a simple neutral gesture. A plant is good but many women do not like to take care of plants.
 

hayat84

I'm not what you believe
me,I don't need any gift from anybody,I prefere to stay behind the curtain until this "ipotethic"friend has gone home.I don't know if Sunnah allows that or not,but it should come from the reservetness of the woman to NOT to accept flowers,even if you say they are neutral,in many countries,a bunch of flowers can mean more than you imagine
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam alaikum,

Like I said before...the point is mute. In this culture it is neutral. It is always the intention of the giving. Why take the innocence out of the gesture for cultural craziness.

Anyhow, I am awaiting the response to Brother Malcolm X.
 

Living_Paradox

New Member
Flowers normally would not be proper here, but since I know both the husband and wife (husband better than wife), I know I could do it without the message being taken out of context. Concentrating on moving this week, but I am going to start thinking about what I can bring starting next week. As I already stated, out of respect and thanks I will post what I decide upon and how well the visit goes :)

Malcolm X... I wrote this years ago (7 I think). I drove about 600 miles to go visit his grave and pay my respects. While I was sitting there I got the urge to grab my laptop and write. The grammar and spelling are horrible, but I have been afraid to edit it because I do not want to change the emotion within the content. Oh and forgive the language... I am posting this unedited... My language is colorful to say the least :p

Pilgrimage to Malcolm


I sit at the grave of Malcolm X writing this. I am in awe that I am so close to someone that I consider to be so great. No I have not had an answer as I chat, not even an answer from within. But I do realize that it does not matter what faith or lack there of you believe in, that 6 feet below me is only the remains of a great man. If there is a spirit or a soul then that is gone, gone from this cruel *!*!*!*! hole of a planet we are destroying and gone to a better place. If there is no spirit or soul, then there is nothing to escape from the body and there are only remains and the memories of all those he has touched in one way or another. Or as I am a perfect example, those that he continues to touch to this day with everything he left behind/

As I have talked to people about happiness and how having a loving partner can bring you some level of joy even in the *!*!*!*!tiest situation. Malcolm has Betty at his side, no matter if there is an afterlife or not, the man did love his wife with all his heart. Even Aristotle wanted to be buried with his first wife who he loved dearly. So the only justice I can say that this planet has done for Malcolm is by allowing his wife to be at his side during this time.

I look at his tombstone and it is so humble, I reach out for something, for what I really do not know. I feel like I am missing a spark, missing the passion that a Malcolm, a Che, a Zapata, a Paine, or even an Abu-Jamal and a Peltier have. Maybe I hoped to come to some sort of realization, the concept of lightning striking by sitting here. But I have no fire, no realization, and no spark. I sit here and feel unworthy. No matter how much of a mutt I am pertaining to my racial heritage, I am still basically a cracker, a Caucasian. The world is open to me if I wish to sell my mythical soul to the aristocratic wealthy class. Oh I will never be a real member of their group, but all of my passion and ability I could put forth to give myself a better and more luxurious life. But can I live with myself? Immanuel Kant taught that the more people seek happiness in material things the more miserable they will become. The more miserable they become, the more they will seek happiness in material things. Look at the usa; look at what is happening with yuppies and the me generation. How many of them are truly happy?

So I sit here writing this, feeling unworthy to be here. If there is a soul or a spirit, what would Malcolm think? What would Malcolm say to me? Because as I said when I first sat down. Did you have some of the same doubts I do? Or because of your faith were you sure that you were right! Are my doubts something that makes me human or are they a weakness in my message. It is at times like this that my doubts are the strongest, but I refuse to let them cripple me. I would rather make a wrong decision then make no decision when one is needed. Am I lacking a faith to be able to get the confidence of a people and make a difference? Malcolm was a Muslim. Paine was a Quaker. Zapata was probably a Catholic (sorry I am not sure). Even Che I cannot really be sure he was an atheist. I would have to t\believe he was agnostic at least. It is so very hard to walk away from a faith that you are raised in. Especially with how much he loved his mother, he would not want to disappoint or hurt her. That would make it harder for him to deny the faith he was raised in completely. However he did see so much pain all across the Americas and the world. How can you keep your faith when you see suffering as a norm and even the fulfilling of basic needs as a rarity in the world?

These are all the things that I talk about to Malcolm. I take pictures to remind myself that I made it here. I leave flowers that I can watch wilt in the heat even after only 90 minutes. I considered getting artificial flowers, and indeed someone already beat me to that idea, because the red flowers by the bouquet I left in the El Shabazz vase are artificial. But that cannot honestly be done, because there was nothing about Malcolm that was fake. Malcolm put his life at risk, his freedom at risk to right the wrongs he saw in the world. I understand the feeling, the reckless passion that drove him. Although my fire was sparked by a different event. Can we really ever show this man the respect that he is due? He sacrificed his life for a greater good, how many people are willing to make that sacrifice today? That sacrifice has been so perverted with suicide bombers and the genocide that the west commits in the rest of the world. Oh such great words come from the usa, but their actions prove their words useless!!! People want to glorify someone that kills themselves in an effort to kill others; they want to call this person a martyr. Then you have people like Bush that is a coward but sends children of people he does not know to die and kill people he will never see and he calls them heroes? I saw a church that had some great wisdom on their sign. “Freedom stops when it starts to infringe on the Freedom of another person.” I wonder if they practice that belief, or only think of it in selfish terms!

So I sit here at the grave of Malcolm X and wonder if I am worthy? What would happen if one of his daughters stopped by? Would they thank me for coming to pay respects to their father? Or would they want to know what I am up to? Believing I am up to no good because of the color of my skin. Am I here to really pay respect to a great man or is it guilt because I have opportunities that most people do not have? The flowers I have left will surely be completely dead before the sun sets, but the fire this man started will hopefully survive for eternity. He did not start the revolution and he did not finish it. He was just another great supervisor of the construction of the house of human utopia. Because any house that is built needs many different contractors with many different specialties. Carpenters, plumbers, electricians, brick layers, masons, roofers, etc… they are all needed to build the house. Where are we in making the world a better place? I wish I knew. I also do not know what I am to this world, maybe just another laborer pounding nails, or maybe a contractor of some degree. However it is not for me to judge my participation, which is for history to judge. I can only continue on the path of what I believe is right.

So I come here and sit at the feet of Malcolm. I seek confirmation that my motives are pure! That what I wish to do is not for my own ego, but actually for the good of the human race! Of course there is no answer. Because we can never really be sure our intentions deep within ourselves. The human mind protects the ego, because we do not want to look like an idiot. That is why people have so conveniently forgotten about the weapons of mass destruction that the military quit looking for in January of 2005. Now the reason the usa went to Iraq was to free the Iraqi people. Yeah I am all over the place, but these are all the things I have said to Malcolm while I am here. I wish I had bought a tape recorder and recorded everything I said to him, and then I would just type out the transcripts and leave no explanation. I would let everyone who reads it gather their own answers from the one sided dialogue.

Did I come here looking for answers from Malcolm X? Answers within myself? Or just to find myself?
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam alaikum,

Wow...good read...the men you mentioned did make radical changes in the lives of others and did sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Abu-Jamal has spent all his youth and intellect behind bars for a crime he not commit.

You seem to need answers and I think you were sent to the right place. The thing about Islam is that there is no place to demean others. In your "crackerdom" you have gone to the core of humanity. You are genuine.

I pray that the members of this forum will help you in seeking the answers for your soul. Yes, you hit on the core issue. We, mankind, took the responsibility of upholding Creation before the Creator, and man let me tell you we have done everything but that; We lie to our Creator. And we continuing calling ourselves correct.

Let me wax poetic for a sec...you have been invited to the home of a Muslim..what a gift...the best gift you can take is to humbly seek Allah subhana wa taala. As you walk into the home of a Muslim feel the good vibes..check out with your own eyes what my brother, Brother Malcolm was talking about.


( to the mods and Sister Shyhijabi...I only used the word "carackerdom" as it was a reference to the post..in no way or means was I being vile)
 

finding light

Ya Rab! Forgive me..
Assalaam alaikum,

Like I said before...the point is mute. In this culture it is neutral. It is always the intention of the giving. Why take the innocence out of the gesture for cultural craziness.

Anyhow, I am awaiting the response to Brother Malcolm X.

Asalamualaykum,
The point is not mute. Have you ever thought that it is ONLY in the US where this is not seen as wrong??? or at least something that could be mis read...
Sis Hayat, you are not the only one with this feeling.

Yes Sis Aapa, everyone can look beyond the gift and see the intention but then that could be done with anything at all and Living praradox wouldnt need to ask this question... The cultural craziness is exactly the reason for his concern..
Anyway - he mentioned he will stay clear of flowers so... that settles it...
 
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