Whats Deobandi??

[Muslim_Gurl]

:salam2:

I'm sorry, I read this on someones profile that they are Deobandi Does anyone know what it is???

Thankxx....I know this was very short, and a bit random too.

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

Walaykumsalaam sister,

You can use the 'search' function on this forum. You will find what you are looking for Insha'Allah. There are threads that deal with this issue and have information.

Wasalaamalaikum waa rahmatullahi

 

[Muslimah77]

:salam2: Sister,

Here you go....

The Deobandis are one of the groups of Muslims. This group is connected to and named after the University of Deoband – Dar al-Uloom – in India. It is an intellectual school of thought that is deeply rooted, and everyone who graduated from that university was influenced by its academic characteristics, so that they became known as Deobandis.

The University of Deoband was founded by a group of Indian ‘ulamaa’ (scholars) after the British had put a stop to the Islamic revolution in India in 1857 CE. Its establishment was a strong reaction against western advancement and its materialistic civilization in the Indian Subcontinent, aimed at saving the Muslims from the dangers of these circumstances, especially when Delhi, the capital, had been destroyed following the revolution and the British had taken full control of it. The scholars feared that their religion might be assimilated, so Shaykh Imdaadullaah al-Muhaajir al-Makki and his student Shaykh Muhammad Qaasim al-Nanatuwi, and their companions, drew up a plan to protect Islam and its teachings. They thought that the solution was to establish religious schools and Islamic centres, thus al-Madrasah al-Islamiyyah al-Arabiyyah was established in Deoband as a centre for Islam and Sharee’ah in India at the time of British rule.

The most prominent figures of this intellectual school:
1- Muhammad Qaasim
2- Rasheed Ahmad al-Kankoohi
3- Husayn Ahmad al-Madani
4- Muhammad Anwaar Shah al-Kashmiri
5- Abu’l-Hasan al-Nadvi
6- Al-Muhaddith Habeeb al-Rahmaan al-A’zami

Thoughts and beliefs

With regard to basic tenets of belief (‘aqeedah), they follow the madhhab of Abu Mansoor al-Maatreedi. They follow the madhhab of Imaam Abu Haneefah with regard to fiqh and minor issues.

They follow the Sufi tareeqahs of the Naqshbandiyyah, Chishtiyyah, Qaadiriyyah and Saharwardiyyah with regard to spiritual development.

The thoughts and principles of the Deobandi school may be summed up as follows:
- Preserving the teachings of Islam and its strength and rituals.
- Spreading Islam and resisting destructive schools of thought and missionary activity.
- Spreading Islamic culture and resisting the invading British culture.
- Paying attention to spreading the Arabic language because it is the means of benefiting from the sources of Islamic sharee’ah.
- Combining reason and emotion, and knowledge and spirituality.

Because the Deobandis follow the Maatreedi madhhab with regard to belief (‘aqeedah), we have to define what al-Maatreediyyah is:

This is a philosophical (kalaami) group which is named after Abu Mansoor al-Maatreedi. It is based on using rational and philosophical proof and evidence in disputes with opponents from among the Mu’tazilah, Jahamiyyah and others to establish the truths of religion and Islamic ‘aqeedah (belief). With regard to sources, the Maatreediyyah divide the bases of religion into two categories depending on the source:

1 – Divine or rational: these are matters which are established independently by reason and the reports follow that. This includes issues of Tawheed and the Divine attributes.

2 – Legislative matters or transmitted reports, These are matters which reason states may or may not exist, but there is no way to prove rationally that they exist, such as Prophethood, the torment of the grave and issues of the Hereafter. It should be noted that some of them regarded Prophethood as coming under the heading of rational issues.

It is obvious that this is contradictory to the methodology of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, because the Qur’an, Sunnah and consensus of the Sahaabah are the sources of guidance in their view. This is in addition to their bid’ah (innovation) of dividing the sources of religion into rational matters vs. transmitted reports, which was based on the false notion of the philosophers who assumed that the religious texts contradict reason, so they tried to mediate between reason and the transmitted reports. This led them to force reason into fields where it has no place, so they came up with false rulings which contradicted sharee’ah, and that led them to say that they did not know what the texts mean and that only Allah knows their meaning, or to misinterpret them altogether. In the view of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, on the other hand, there is no contradiction between sound reason and the sound transmitted reports.

Attitude of Ahl al-Sunnah towards the Maatreediyyah

It was narrated from the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) that this ummah would split into seventy-three sects, all of which would be in the Fire apart from one. The Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) explained that the saved group is the Jamaa’ah, which is the group that follows the same path as the Messenger SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and his Companions.

Undoubtedly Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, who adhere to the Qur’an and Sunnah in terms of both knowledge and actions, are the saved group, and this description applies to them, i.e., they adhere to that which the Messenger SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and his Companions adhered to in terms of knowledge and actions.

It is not sufficient for an individual or group merely to claim to belong to the Sunnah whilst going against the methodology of the salaf, namely the Sahaabah and Taabi’een. Rather it is essential to adhere to their methodology in knowledge, action, approach and spiritual development.

The Maatreediyyah are one of the groups whose opinions include true and false views, and some things that go against the Sunnah. It is known that these groups vary with regard to the truth, how near or far they are; the closer they are to the Sunnah, the closer they are to the truth and the right way. Among them are some who went against the Sunnah with regard to basic principles, and some who went against the Sunnah with regard to more subtle issues. There are some who refuted other groups who are farther away from the Sunnah, so they are to be praised with regard to their refutation of falsehood and what they have said of truth, but they have overstepped the mark in so far as they have rejected part of the truth and gone along with some falsehood. So they have refuted a serious bid’ah by means of a lesser bid’ah, and refuted falsehood with a lesser form of falsehood. This is the case with most of the philosophers (ahl al-kalaam) who claim to belong to Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah…”
(From the words of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, al-Fataawa, 1/348).

There remains one important question to be answered, which is: what is our duty towards the Maatreediyyah and groups who hold similar beliefs such as the Deobandis and others?

The answer varies according to differences in the persons involved.

If someone is stubborn and propagates his bid’ah, then we must warn others about him and explain where he has gone wrong and deviated. But if he does not propagate his bid’ah and it is clear from his words and actions that he is seeking the truth and striving for that purpose, then we should advise him and explain to him what is wrong with this belief, and guide him in a manner that is better; perhaps Allah will bring him back to the truth. This advice is included in the words of the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him): “Religion is sincerity (or sincere advice).” We [the Sahabah] asked, “To whom?” He said, “To Allah and His Book, and His Messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and their common folk.”
(Narrated by Muslim, 55).

Source: Islam Q&A by Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/22473/deobandi

 

[Muslim_Gurl]

Walaykumsalaam sister,

You can use the 'search' function on this forum. You will find what you are looking for Insha'Allah. There are threads that deal with this issue and have information.

Wasalaamalaikum waa rahmatullahi

Ohh okay. JazakAllah, I just realised after posting this that there were other threads asking the same...

Thank youuu

Wasalam

 

[Muslim_Gurl]

:salam2: Sister,

Here you go....

The Deobandis are one of the groups of Muslims. This group is connected to and named after the University of Deoband – Dar al-Uloom – in India. It is an intellectual school of thought that is deeply rooted, and everyone who graduated from that university was influenced by its academic characteristics, so that they became known as Deobandis.

The University of Deoband was founded by a group of Indian ‘ulamaa’ (scholars) after the British had put a stop to the Islamic revolution in India in 1857 CE. Its establishment was a strong reaction against western advancement and its materialistic civilization in the Indian Subcontinent, aimed at saving the Muslims from the dangers of these circumstances, especially when Delhi, the capital, had been destroyed following the revolution and the British had taken full control of it. The scholars feared that their religion might be assimilated, so Shaykh Imdaadullaah al-Muhaajir al-Makki and his student Shaykh Muhammad Qaasim al-Nanatuwi, and their companions, drew up a plan to protect Islam and its teachings. They thought that the solution was to establish religious schools and Islamic centres, thus al-Madrasah al-Islamiyyah al-Arabiyyah was established in Deoband as a centre for Islam and Sharee’ah in India at the time of British rule.

The most prominent figures of this intellectual school:
1- Muhammad Qaasim
2- Rasheed Ahmad al-Kankoohi
3- Husayn Ahmad al-Madani
4- Muhammad Anwaar Shah al-Kashmiri
5- Abu’l-Hasan al-Nadvi
6- Al-Muhaddith Habeeb al-Rahmaan al-A’zami

Thoughts and beliefs

With regard to basic tenets of belief (‘aqeedah), they follow the madhhab of Abu Mansoor al-Maatreedi. They follow the madhhab of Imaam Abu Haneefah with regard to fiqh and minor issues.

They follow the Sufi tareeqahs of the Naqshbandiyyah, Chishtiyyah, Qaadiriyyah and Saharwardiyyah with regard to spiritual development.

The thoughts and principles of the Deobandi school may be summed up as follows:
- Preserving the teachings of Islam and its strength and rituals.
- Spreading Islam and resisting destructive schools of thought and missionary activity.
- Spreading Islamic culture and resisting the invading British culture.
- Paying attention to spreading the Arabic language because it is the means of benefiting from the sources of Islamic sharee’ah.
- Combining reason and emotion, and knowledge and spirituality.

Because the Deobandis follow the Maatreedi madhhab with regard to belief (‘aqeedah), we have to define what al-Maatreediyyah is:

This is a philosophical (kalaami) group which is named after Abu Mansoor al-Maatreedi. It is based on using rational and philosophical proof and evidence in disputes with opponents from among the Mu’tazilah, Jahamiyyah and others to establish the truths of religion and Islamic ‘aqeedah (belief). With regard to sources, the Maatreediyyah divide the bases of religion into two categories depending on the source:

1 – Divine or rational: these are matters which are established independently by reason and the reports follow that. This includes issues of Tawheed and the Divine attributes.

2 – Legislative matters or transmitted reports, These are matters which reason states may or may not exist, but there is no way to prove rationally that they exist, such as Prophethood, the torment of the grave and issues of the Hereafter. It should be noted that some of them regarded Prophethood as coming under the heading of rational issues.

It is obvious that this is contradictory to the methodology of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, because the Qur’an, Sunnah and consensus of the Sahaabah are the sources of guidance in their view. This is in addition to their bid’ah (innovation) of dividing the sources of religion into rational matters vs. transmitted reports, which was based on the false notion of the philosophers who assumed that the religious texts contradict reason, so they tried to mediate between reason and the transmitted reports. This led them to force reason into fields where it has no place, so they came up with false rulings which contradicted sharee’ah, and that led them to say that they did not know what the texts mean and that only Allah knows their meaning, or to misinterpret them altogether. In the view of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, on the other hand, there is no contradiction between sound reason and the sound transmitted reports.

Attitude of Ahl al-Sunnah towards the Maatreediyyah

It was narrated from the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) that this ummah would split into seventy-three sects, all of which would be in the Fire apart from one. The Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) explained that the saved group is the Jamaa’ah, which is the group that follows the same path as the Messenger SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and his Companions.

Undoubtedly Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, who adhere to the Qur’an and Sunnah in terms of both knowledge and actions, are the saved group, and this description applies to them, i.e., they adhere to that which the Messenger SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and his Companions adhered to in terms of knowledge and actions.

It is not sufficient for an individual or group merely to claim to belong to the Sunnah whilst going against the methodology of the salaf, namely the Sahaabah and Taabi’een. Rather it is essential to adhere to their methodology in knowledge, action, approach and spiritual development.

The Maatreediyyah are one of the groups whose opinions include true and false views, and some things that go against the Sunnah. It is known that these groups vary with regard to the truth, how near or far they are; the closer they are to the Sunnah, the closer they are to the truth and the right way. Among them are some who went against the Sunnah with regard to basic principles, and some who went against the Sunnah with regard to more subtle issues. There are some who refuted other groups who are farther away from the Sunnah, so they are to be praised with regard to their refutation of falsehood and what they have said of truth, but they have overstepped the mark in so far as they have rejected part of the truth and gone along with some falsehood. So they have refuted a serious bid’ah by means of a lesser bid’ah, and refuted falsehood with a lesser form of falsehood. This is the case with most of the philosophers (ahl al-kalaam) who claim to belong to Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah…”
(From the words of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, al-Fataawa, 1/348).

There remains one important question to be answered, which is: what is our duty towards the Maatreediyyah and groups who hold similar beliefs such as the Deobandis and others?

The answer varies according to differences in the persons involved.

If someone is stubborn and propagates his bid’ah, then we must warn others about him and explain where he has gone wrong and deviated. But if he does not propagate his bid’ah and it is clear from his words and actions that he is seeking the truth and striving for that purpose, then we should advise him and explain to him what is wrong with this belief, and guide him in a manner that is better; perhaps Allah will bring him back to the truth. This advice is included in the words of the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him): “Religion is sincerity (or sincere advice).” We [the Sahabah] asked, “To whom?” He said, “To Allah and His Book, and His Messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and their common folk.”
(Narrated by Muslim, 55).

Source: Islam Q&A by Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/22473/deobandi

Ohhhh SubhnAllah :O I didnt know that. This part reallyy scared me...

"It was narrated from the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) that this ummah would split into seventy-three sects, all of which would be in the Fire apart from one. The Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) explained that the saved group is the Jamaa’ah, which is the group that follows the same path as the Messenger SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and his Companions.

May Allah save us all. Ameen.

JazakAllah sister

Wasalam

 

[ahmed_indian]

in short:

deoband is a small place in india. there is islamic university. scholars who study there are called deobandis.

Deobandi scholars say that they follow Hanafi school but they have some mistakes due to which few scholars have spoken against them.

i am not deobandi but i read that they did a lot to protect islam during british rule.

PS: will not write more as it might become reason of ur thread being closed.

 

[abubaseer]

:salam2:

What is Deoband

Deoband is a name of a town in North India.

In this town there is an University called "Darul Uloom Deoband". The students who graduate from there are called Qasmi.

Initially only the people who were from this town were called Deobandis. Just like people from Isfahaan are called Isfahaani or people from Makkah are called Makki.

But, over period of time the influence of this institution on the Islamic studies in Indian subcontinent has grown and "Deobandi" now means people who follow/believe/propogate the Islamic understanding of this institution or "Deobandi School of thought".

Today a person himself "Deobandi" even if he is basically not from Deoband nor studied in the Darul Uloom in Deoband if:
1. He has studied in some other School anywhere in the World which follows the Deobandi School of though.
2. Follows deobandi School of thought.

What is Deobandi "School of thought**" ?

This can be best answered in a letter written to the Rulers of Makkah when a Scholar of Deoband (**Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri) had gone for Hajj (around 1325 Hijri) and was asked to explain their School of thought.

This was because the Ruler of Makkah (probably Sharief husayn) was falsely told that these Deobandi people dis-respect the Awliyaa of Allah.

The Scholars of Makkah asked him to answer 26 questions. Following is part of the response which explains what is Deobandi School of thought

- In trivial matters we are Hanafi.
- In Usool and Aqeedah we are Ash'ari and Maturidi.
- In Sufism we are followers of
a) Nashbandiyah.
b) Chishtiyah.
c) Qadriyah.
d) Saharwardiyyah etc.

He also said that we believe in Quran and Sunnah and Ijmaa though.

**The word "School of thought" can be found right on the first page page of its english Website of the Darul Uloom Deoband Website


**Khalil Ahmad Sharanpuri is Teacher of:
1. Muhammad Ilyas Kandhalvi (Founder of Tableegh Jamaat)
2. Zakariya Kandhalvi (Author of Fazeel E Aamaal)

Khalil Ahmad Sharanpuri is a Student of:
Rashid Ahmad Gangogohi

and Rashid Ahmad Gangohi is a Student of:
ImdaadUllah Muhaajir Makki

Reference: The lecture of Dr. Murtaza Baksh (who has studied under Shaykh Rabi, Shaykh Muhsin Al Abbad, Shaykh Saleh Al Fawzaan etc) --> http://www.asliahlesunnet.com/?url=list&type=audio&cat=rudud&page=3

Also you can read the following book "Tableegh Jamaat And the Deobandis" -- > book

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=349638&postcount=10

 

[Mabsoot]

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

Jazak Allahu khayr ukhti Muslimah77 and akhi al karim AbuBaseer.

 

[Muslimah16]

As-salaamu'alaykum,

You read it on my profile ukthii, yes. I AM a Deobandi.

 

[Muslimah16]

in short:

deoband is a small place in india. there is islamic university. scholars who study there are called deobandis.

Deobandi scholars say that they follow Hanafi school but they have some mistakes due to which few scholars have spoken against them.

i am not deobandi but i read that they did a lot to protect islam during british rule.

PS: will not write more as it might become reason of ur thread being closed.

Please explain you statement brother Ahmad.

 

[Muslim_Gurl]

As-salaamu'alaykum,

You read it on my profile ukthii, yes. I AM a Deobandi.

Walaykumu salam

FINALLY you are backk!!

Yes I did read it on your profile...are you upset???

 

[Muslimah16]

Upset? No lol. Why would i be upset?

 

[Muslim_Gurl]

Upset? No lol. Why would i be upset?

Ohh okk...

Sister you must know alot about Deobandi, I'm sorry for posting this thread, I should have just asked you but you wernt online for sometime

 

[Muslimah16]

Sorry?! Oh c'mon sister its really nothing to worry about You neednt be sorry

Im actually quite glad you posted this thread.


Dont be sorry habibtii, its totally cool.

Wassalaam

 

[Ibn Uthaymin]

May Allah reward you. I wanted to find out about the Matureedi aqeedah and by Allah now i know.

Strange the Hanfiyyah read Aqeedah At Tahawi but how did the Deobandi divert from this.

 

[daywalker]

Strange the Hanfiyyah read Aqeedah At Tahawi but how did the Deobandi divert from this.

:salam2:
Ask those scholars inshaAllah.

 

[Ibn Uthaymin]

:salam2:
Ask those scholars inshaAllah.

Walaykum assalamu

Which scholars do you refer to?

 

[Muslim_Gurl]

Sorry?! Oh c'mon sister its really nothing to worry about You neednt be sorry

Im actually quite glad you posted this thread.


Dont be sorry habibtii, its totally cool.

Wassalaam

Ohh ok... Im glad your not upset

 

[ahmed_indian]

Deobandi scholars say that they follow Hanafi school but they have some mistakes due to which few scholars have spoken against them.

i am not deobandi but i read that they did a lot to protect islam during british rule.

Please explain you statement brother Ahmad.

:salam2: sister,

you know like using fabricated hadiths and stories in their books. eg. a hand came out of Kabah and slapped a man for looking at women. stuff like

but i know there is lots of misinterpretation of their work (intentionally or unintentionally...Allah knows best) eg.also one of their scholars was discussing "can Allah lie?" it was used agasint them that deobandis say that Allah lies. naoozubillah!

i have all due respect for them. may Allah reward them and forgive their mistakes.

 

[abubaseer]

:salam2: sister,

you know like using fabricated hadiths and stories in their books. eg. a hand came out of Kabah and slapped a man for looking at women. stuff like

but i know there is lots of misinterpretation of their work (intentionally or unintentionally...Allah knows best) eg.also one of their scholars was discussing "can Allah lie?" it was used agasint them that deobandis say that Allah lies. naoozubillah!

i have all due respect for them. may Allah reward them and forgive their mistakes.

:salam2: Akhi,

I agree that there was contribution of Deoband in Jihad against British. Also, Ahl E hadeeth fought in Jihad against the British.

The Masjid from where the first Mujahideen went to fight against Britsih is still an Ahl E Hadees since then (Its in Calcutta)

Also, the Ahl E Hadeeth of Saadiqpur in Patna, who were killed on the day of Eid by the British is mentioned and acknowledged even by the first Prime Minister of India in Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru in his book...

One important point to remember is that back then, The Deobandis and Ahl E Hadeeth used to study in each others Madrasa up until quite recently.

Then serious problems in Aqeedah caused Ahl E Hadeeth to distance away from the Deobandis. Shah Ismaeel (May Allah accept him as Shaheed) is still respected by both Deobandis and Ahl E Hadeeth. If one reads his book Taqwiyat Ul Eemaan it becomes clear how far Deobandis have gone in their Aqeedah.