which Bible that Muslims believe?

khoirotun Hisan

thank you Allah
Salaam,

dear Brothers and sisters, after learning more about the writing of the Bible, I have come to this question:
which Bible exactly Muslims believe in?

If the most ancient Bible was written 300 years after Isa PBUH raised to heaven, then was that the Bible that we are Muslims supposed to believe in? or there was another scriptures written by Isa PBUH himself and we refer that as a Bible?

Jazakallah,
KH
 

danyal_1992

Junior Member
:salam2:
No, we believe in the Injeel which was revealed on Prophet Isa(AS).Bible
is not the word of God .Wacth the debate b/w dr.Zakir Naik and Dr.william campbell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw3do0TLv6o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qIdg51woug&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZs6MpIUhAQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-j_WRUDaw4&feature=related

It is the corrupted form of Injeel which we believe.If for the sake of argument u say that the bible is the word of God then it was only meant for those people and for that time .Now Quran is last and final revelation from Almighty God and it is meant to be followed till eternity till the end of time.
 

a_brother

Make dua for us all
:salam2: sister khoirotun Hisan

good to have you with us :)... hope inshaAllah, you enjoy your stay with us :D

brother danyal gave you nice links and explanation, hope its clear for you now. if not, please ask any question you may have :)

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khoirotun Hisan

thank you Allah
Salaam,

thank you brother Danyal for the explanation and the links, I also saw some of late Syaekh Ahmad Deedat's debate with several priests. Evidently speaking, never at once either Dr.Naik or Syaekh Deedat lose the debate (Subhanallah).

Thank you all for welcoming me :hijabi:.....feels like I have new big family in Allah's way

May Allah strengthen our faith and our brotherhood,

Salaam,
KH
 

Muteea

New Member
Response to KH regarding the BIble Muslims believe in

KH.

You state in your quote below that the Bible was wrotten 300 years after Christ's ascension to Heaven.

KH - what evidence do you have to support your claim? Have you investigated the Bible yourself? Do you have archeological discovaries that you can present to support this claim? What evidence do you have KH?

KH - the most dangerous thing is to make bogus claims without any proof.

The oldest Bible copy is 25 years after Christ ascension. THere are ove 24,000 copies of Bible manuscripts that support the Bible we have in our hands today.

THe Quran acknowledged the Bible at the time of Christ, after Christ, at the time of Muhammad, and we have evidence that the Bible in our hands today is the same one existed 150 years BEFORE Christ. You can research it yourself. It is available and not a big secret.

Now tell me KH. When was the Quran actually written as a complete book. HOw many years after Muhammad's death (not ascension to heaven) was the Quran assembled? How many different dialects were in existance up until Uthman's time? How many copies were burned?

Think KH. Do not just through rocks when you live in a glass house yourself.

Muteea



Salaam,

dear Brothers and sisters, after learning more about the writing of the Bible, I have come to this question:
which Bible exactly Muslims believe in?

If the most ancient Bible was written 300 years after Isa PBUH raised to heaven, then was that the Bible that we are Muslims supposed to believe in? or there was another scriptures written by Isa PBUH himself and we refer that as a Bible?

Jazakallah,
KH
 

a_brother

Make dua for us all
KH.

You state in your quote below that the Bible was wrotten 300 years after Christ's ascension to Heaven.

KH - what evidence do you have to support your claim? Have you investigated the Bible yourself? Do you have archeological discovaries that you can present to support this claim? What evidence do you have KH?

KH - the most dangerous thing is to make bogus claims without any proof.

The oldest Bible copy is 25 years after Christ ascension. THere are ove 24,000 copies of Bible manuscripts that support the Bible we have in our hands today.

THe Quran acknowledged the Bible at the time of Christ, after Christ, at the time of Muhammad, and we have evidence that the Bible in our hands today is the same one existed 150 years BEFORE Christ. You can research it yourself. It is available and not a big secret.

Now tell me KH. When was the Quran actually written as a complete book. HOw many years after Muhammad's death (not ascension to heaven) was the Quran assembled? How many different dialects were in existance up until Uthman's time? How many copies were burned?

Think KH. Do not just through rocks when you live in a glass house yourself.

Muteea

Hi Muteea, I see that you are a christian from your profile

please use your advise to yourself first...
"Think KH. Do not just through rocks when you live in a glass house yourself."

Please take the time to watch the videos above which i'll go head and post them bellow for you

also, the two links bellow that i posted as a reply to your other post..

please check link bellow...."101 contradictions in the Bible"
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32096

Bible Compared to Quran
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24701


The Qur'an and the Bible in the light of Science?
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khoirotun Hisan

thank you Allah
KH.

Now tell me KH. When was the Quran actually written as a complete book. HOw many years after Muhammad's death (not ascension to heaven) was the Quran assembled? How many different dialects were in existance up until Uthman's time? How many copies were burned?

Think KH. Do not just through rocks when you live in a glass house yourself.

Muteea

Salaam,

It's all right A_brother, we are not suppose to say bad word to people who don't know the truth :) and please Muteea see the video that our brother has given you...:)

here is my answer to your question:

How was the Qur'an written?

1. Allah sent His angel, Jibril (who has no passion except to obey Allah’s will) to meet with the Prophet (whose integrity was not questioned, illiterate, and honest man) to reveal the verses. The prophet was at his 40th age when he first met Jibril.

2.The prophet, after received any verse, memorized it, then declared it to his apostles / sahabah (Arabic) who were also memorized it.

3.Since the prophet was illiterate, he asked his sahabah to write the verses down, and read it to him. In any time, he found mistake in the writing, he pointed out, rechecked, and asked them to rewrite. The prophet was also personally rechecked and authenticates any portions of the Quran memorized by his sahabah, regularly.

4.Angel jibril came to see the prophet once each year for 22 years (in month of Ramadhan / fasting month), and twice in the last year to make sure the Prophet has memorized the Qur’an correctly.

5.The orders and sequences of any chapter or verses was given by Allah, the Prophet then told his sahabah where to put any new revelation (in which chapter or after what verse). This order was also rechecked by angel Jibril each year and twice in the last year.

6.The complete Qur’an along with the correct sequences of the verses, therefore, was present in the time of the Prophet. The verses, however, were written in different media (separate pieces, scrapes of leather, thin flat stones, leaflets, palm branches, shoulder blades, etc)

7.After the Prophet died in 632, the first Caliph, Abu Bakr ra, ordered to transfer all the separated verses into one material, which was sheet of papers. These was tied up with strong string to avoid it from separated each other

8.However, in the third caliph, Uthman bin Affan, around year 650, Islam was spread out through enormously larger regions. Those regions started to develop their own way of writing and reading the Qur’an. Another issue was, some of sahabah who memorized the Qur’an were died. Worrying about the disagreement among Muslim in the future regarding the Qur’an, Uthman ordered to publish one standard Qur’an

9.Uthman borrowed the original manuscript of the Qur’an that has been authorized by the Prophet from Hafsha (the Prophet wife, May Allah blessed her). Uthman asked 4 sahabah who wrote the Qur’an when the prophet dictated it, led by Zaid bin Thabit, to rewrite the manuscript into several perfect copies. Those copies sent to several main Muslim area

10.There were other personal collections of the portions of the Qur’an that people had with them. These might have been incomplete and with mistakes. Uthman only appealed to the people to destroy all these copies which did not match the original manuscript of the Qur’an in order to preserve the original text of the Qur’an. Two such copies of the copied text of the original Qur’an authenticated by the Prophet are present to this day, one at the museum in Tashkent in erstwhile Soviet Union and the other at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey

11. Allah Himself has promised to guard the Qur’an:
We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption)." [Al-Qur’an 15:9]

12.Until this very day, thousands of Muslim Scholars around the world memorize Qur’an (Subhanallah), Allah guard the Qur’an in His own way

Now, Im sure you still have a lot of questions, never hesitate to post :)

The most ancient published bible, however, indeed was the RSV Bible which was published 300 years after Isa as was ascended to heaven. If you claimed otherwise, I believe it is because the fact that there are internal disputes among Christians regarding the writing of the Bible, every sources telling different story :)

May Allah guide you,
KH
 

tarannumsamir

Junior Member
Now tell me KH. When was the Quran actually written as a complete book. HOw many years after Muhammad's death (not ascension to heaven) was the Quran assembled? How many different dialects were in existance up until Uthman's time? How many copies were burned?

There were many versions of the Qur’an all of which were burnt by Usman (r.a.) except for one. Therefore is it not true that the present Qur’an is the one compiled by Usman (r.a.) and not the original revelation of God?

Answer:

One of the most common myths about the Qur’an, is that Usman (r.a.), the third Caliph of Islam authenticated and compiled one Qur’an, from a large set of mutually contradicting copies. The Qur’an, revered as the Word of Allah (swt) by Muslims the world over, is the same Qur’an as the one revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It was authenticated and written under his personal supervision. We will examine the roots of the myth which says that Usman (r.a.) had the Qur’an authenticated.

1. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself supervised and authenticated the written texts of the Qur’an


Whenever the Prophet received a revelation, he would first memorize it himself and later declare the revelation and instruct his Companions (R.A. – Radhi Allahu Taala Anhu) – May Allah be pleased with him who would also memorize it. The Prophet would immediately ask the scribes to write down the revelation he had received, and he would reconfirm and recheck it himself. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an Ummi who could not read and write. Therefore, after receiving each revelation, he would repeat it to his Companions. They would write down the revelation, and he would recheck by asking them to read what they had written. If there was any mistake, the Prophet would immediately point it out and have it corrected and rechecked. Similarly he would even recheck and authenticate the portions of the Qur’an memorized by the Companions. In this way, the complete Qur’an was written down under the personal supervision of the prophet (pbuh).

2. Order and sequence of Qur’an divinely inspired


The complete Qur’an was revealed over a period of 22½ years portion by portion, as and when it was required. The Qur’an was not compiled by the Prophet in the chronological order of revelation. The order and sequence of the Qur’an too was Divinely inspired and was instructed to the Prophet by Allah (swt) through archangel Jibraeel. Whenever a revelation was conveyed to his companions, the Prophet would also mention in which surah (chapter) and after which ayat (verse) this new revelation should fit.

Every Ramadhaan all the portions of the Qur’an that had been revealed, including the order of the verses, were revised and reconfirmed by the Prophet with archangel Jibraeel. During the last Ramadhaan, before the demise of the Prophet, the Qur’an was rechecked and reconfirmed twice.

It is therefore clearly evident that the Qur’an was compiled and authenticated by the Prophet himself during his lifetime, both in the written form as well as in the memory of several of his Companions.
3. Qur’an copied on one common material


The complete Qur’an, along with the correct sequence of the verses, was present during the time of the Prophet (pbuh). The verses however, were written on separate pieces, scrapes of leather, thin flat stones, leaflets, palm branches, shoulder blades, etc. After the demise of the prophet, Abu Bakr (r.a.), the first caliph of Islam ordered that the Qur’an be copied from the various different materials on to a common material and place, which was in the shape of sheets. These were tied with strings so that nothing of the compilation was lost.
4. Usman (r.a.) made copies of the Qur’an from the original manuscript

Many Companions of the Prophet used to write down the revelation of the Qur’an on their own whenever they heard it from the lips of the Prophet. However what they wrote was not personally verified by the Prophet and thus could contain mistakes. All the verses revealed to the Prophet may not have been heard personally by all the Companions. There were high possibilities of different portions of the Qur’an being missed by different Companions. This gave rise to disputes among Muslims regarding the different contents of the Qur’an during the period of the third Caliph Usman (r.a.).

Usman (r.a.) borrowed the original manuscript of the Qur’an, which was authorized by the beloved Prophet (pbuh), from Hafsha (may Allah be pleased with her), the Prophet’s wife. Usman (r.a.) ordered four Companions who were among the scribes who wrote the Qur’an when the Prophet dictated it, led by Zaid bin Thabit (r.a.) to rewrite the script in several perfect copies. These were sent by Usman (r.a.) to the main centres of Muslims.

There were other personal collections of the portions of the Qur’an that people had with them. These might have been incomplete and with mistakes. Usman (r.a.) only appealed to the people to destroy all these copies which did not match the original manuscript of the Qur’an in order to preserve the original text of the Qur’an. Two such copies of the copied text of the original Qur’an authenticated by the Prophet are present to this day, one at the museum in Tashkent in erstwhile Soviet Union and the other at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey.

5. Diacritical marks were added for non-Arabs


The original manuscript of the Qur’an does not have the signs indicating the vowels in Arabic script. These vowels are known as tashkil, zabar, zair, paish in Urdu and as fatah, damma and qasra in Arabic. The Arabs did not require the vowel signs and diacritical marks for correct pronunciation of the Qur’an since it was their mother tongue. For Muslims of non-Arab origin, however, it was difficult to recite the Qur’an correctly without the vowels. These marks were introduced into the Quranic script during the time of the fifth ‘Umayyad’ Caliph, Malik-ar-Marwan (66-86 Hijri/685-705 C.E.) and during the governorship of Al-Hajaj in Iraq.

Some people argue that the present copy of the Qur’an that we have along with the vowels and the diacritical marks is not the same original Qur’an that was present at the Prophet’s time. But they fail to realize that the word ‘Qur’an’ means a recitation. Therefore, the preservation of the recitation of the Qur’an is important, irrespective of whether the script is different or whether it contains vowels. If the pronunciation and the Arabic is the same, naturally, the meaning remains the same too.
6. Allah Himself has promised to guard the Qur’an


Allah has promised in the Qur’an :

"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption)."

[al quran 15:9]

by dr.zakir.naik.
 
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