Why Swine is forbidden...

Abdul Hasib

Student of Knowledge
Why Slaughtering in Islam and why Pork is Forbidden


Bob: Tell me why is it that a Muslim is very particular about the
words Halaal and Haraam; what do they mean?


Yunus: That which is permissible is termed Halaal and that which >I
Not permissible is termed Haraam and it is the Quran which draws the
Distinction between the two.


Bob: Can you give me an example?

Yunus: Yes, Islam has prohibited blood of any type. You will agree
That a chemical analysis of blood shows that it contains abundance
Of uric acid, a chemical substance which can be injurious to human
health.


Bob: You're right about the toxic nature of uric acid, in the human
Being it is excreted as a waste product and in fact we are told that
98% of the body's uric acid is extracted from the blood by the
kidneys and removed through urination.

Yunus: Now I think that you'll appreciate the special prescribed
Method of animal slaughter in Islam.


Bob: What do you mean?

Yunus: You see the wielder of the knife, whilst taking the name of
The 'Almighty', makes an incision through the jugular veins, leaving
All other veins and organs intact.

Bob: I see, this causes the death of the animal by a total loss of
blood from the body, rather than an injury to any vital
Organ.



Yunus: Yes, were the organs, example the heart, the liver, or the
brain crippled or damaged, the animal could die immediately and its
Blood would congeal in its veins and would eventually permeate the
Flesh. This implies that the animal flesh would be permeated and
contaminated with uric acid and therefore very poisonous; only today
Did our dieticians realize such a thing?



Bob: Again, while on the topic of food; Why do Muslims condemn the
Eating of pork or ham or any foods related to pigs or swine.


Yunus: Actually, apart from the Quran prohibiting the consumption of
Pork, bacon (pig flesh); in fact the Bible too in Leviticus chapter
11, verse 8, regarding swine it says, "Of their flesh (of the swine
Another name for pig) shall you not eat, and of their carcass you
Shall not touch; they are unclean to you."
Further, did you know that a pig cannot be slaughtered at the neck for
it does not have a neck; that is according to its natural anatomy?

A Muslim reasons that if the pig was to be slaughtered and fit for
Human consumption the Creator would have provided it with a neck.

Nonetheless, all that aside, I am sure you are well informed about the
Harmful effects of the consumption of pork, in any form, be it pork
Chops, ham, bacon.

Bob: The medical science finds that there is a risk for various
diseases as the pig is found to be a host for many parasites and
Potential diseases.

Yunus: Yes, even apart from that, as we talked about uric acid content
In the blood, it is important to note that the pig's biochemistry
excretes only 2% of its total uric acid content, the remaining 98%
Remains as an integral part of the body.
 

habib786

Junior Member
very informative message and should be of great help to other muslims who would have any kind of arguments about haram and halaal ... ty .. brother
 

muharram23

New Member
Staff member
I found this link and thought it made a wonderful case for why NO ONE should eat pork......ewww....but I will admit before my reversion....I LOVED HAM!

http://2sharaze.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!9EB57DBF15D4687E!2541.entry


salamu alaykum

In islam, we do not need to go into details as much as this to say why things are haraam, even though having that background knowledge is good. We do not need to have scientific findings of men to proof why something is haraam. Whatever ALlah sva and His messenger made haraam or hallal, we accept and we do not go into how or why. Even if science prooves that there is no side effects to things that are forbidden in the quran, we still take what quran and sunnah says over any human being. The things of foods that ALlah forbid to the children of israel was because of Allah's anger towards them. Howver, the things that ALlah sva and His messenger forbad us from eating and consuming is because of the bad and evil they contain. So, if someone asks us why alcohol, swine etc is forbidden, we say "because Allah sva made those things haraam for us", but they may become halal in case of necesity. Just little thing to think about.

Allah knows best

wasalam
 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
The things of foods that ALlah forbid to the children of israel was because of Allah's anger towards them.

Salaam,
Could you please rpovide the daleel for this?

Wasalaam

~Sarah
 

amina88

I live & die 4 Allah
:wasalam:

Yep I agree. We can find all sorts of reasons as to why something may be forbidden, and though that is a good thing, the true reason as to why something is forbidden remains with Allah taalla alone. And what would happen if we tried to find the reason as to why something was haram and found no credible answer, would we then make that thing halal? I live by the notion samana wa'atna, we hear and we obey.

It's very obvious from reading surah al-Fatiha that Allah tala's curse was upon the Jews meaning that Allah s.wtala was angry with them. For more details look up tafsir ibn kathir.

salamu alaykum
In islam, we do not need to go into details as much as this to say why things are haraam, even though having that background knowledge is good. Allah knows best
wasalam
 

Mohsin

abdu'Allah
Assalamu-alaikum !

:salam2:
Salaam,
Could you please rpovide the daleel for this?

Wasalaam

~Sarah
Sister, I think brother is referring to these ayaat of the Quran where Allah tells us,

I.
And unto those who are Jews, We forbade every (animal) with undivided hoof, and We forbade them the fat of the ox and the sheep except what adheres to their backs or their entrails, or is mixed up with a bone. Thus We recompensed them for their rebellion [committing crimes like murdering the Prophets, eating of Ribâ (usury)]. And verily, We are Truthful. (146) If they (Jews) belie you (Muhammad SAW) say: "Your Lord is the Owner of Vast Mercy, and never will His Wrath be turned back from the people who are Mujrimûn (criminals, polytheists, or sinners)." (147)
Al-An'aam
Explanation from Tafsir Ibn-e-Kathir
Foods that were Prohibited for the Jews Because of their Transgression

Allah says, We forbade for the Jews every bird and animal with undivided hoof, such as the camel, ostrich, duck and goose. Allah said here,

[وَمِنَ الْبَقَرِ وَالْغَنَمِ حَرَّمْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ شُحُومَهُمَآ]

(and We forbade them the fat of the ox and the sheep...) The Jews used to forbid these types of foods saying that Isra'il, or Ya`qub, used to forbid them for himself so they too forbid them. This was mentioned by As-Suddi. `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said that,

[إِلاَّ مَا حَمَلَتْ ظُهُورُهُمَآ]

(except what adheres to their backs) refers to the fat that clings to their backs. Allah said next,

[أَوِ الْحَوَايَآ]

(or their Hawaya) that is, the entrails, according to Abu Ja`far bin Jarir. He also said, "The meaning here is, `And from ox and sheep, We forbade their fat for the Jews, except the fat on their backs and what the entrails carry.'' `Ali bin Abi Talhah said that, Ibn `Abbas said that the, Hawaya, are the entrails. Similar was reported from Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr and Ad-Dahhak. Allah's statement,

[أَوْ مَا اخْتَلَطَ بِعَظْمٍ]

(....or is mixed up with a bone.) means, We allowed the Jews the fat that is mixed with bones. Ibn Jurayj commented, "The fat on the rump that is mixed with the tailbone was allowed for them, and also the fat on the legs, head, eyes and what adheres to the bones.'' As-Suddi said similarly. Allah said,

[ذَلِكَ جَزَيْنَـهُم بِبَغْيِهِمْ]

(Thus We recompensed them for their rebellion.) meaning, We imposed this restriction on them as recompense for their rebellion and defying Our commandments. Allah said in another Ayah,

[فَبِظُلْمٍ مِّنَ الَّذِينَ هَادُواْ حَرَّمْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ طَيِّبَـتٍ أُحِلَّتْ لَهُمْ وَبِصَدِّهِمْ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ كَثِيراً ]

(For the wrongdoing of the Jews, We made unlawful for them certain good foods which had been lawful for them -- and for their hindering many from Allah's way) [4:160]. Allah's statement,

[وِإِنَّا لَصَـدِقُونَ]
(And verily, We are Truthful.) means, We were justified in the penalty We gave them. Ibn Jarir commented, "We are Truthful in what We informed you of, O Muhammad; Our forbidding these foods for them, not as they claimed, that Israel merely forbade these things for himself (so they imitated him, they claimed).''
II.
At another place in the Quran Allah says,
For the wrong-doing of the Jews, We made unlawful for them certain good foods which has been lawful for them, and for their hindering many from Allâh's Way; (160) And their taking of Ribâ (usury) though they were forbidden from taking it and their devouring of men's substance wrongfully (bribery). And We have prepared for the disbelievers among them a painful torment. (161) But those among them who are well-grounded in knowledge, and the believers, believe in what has been sent down to you (Muhammad SAW) and what was sent down before you, and those who perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât and believe in Allâh and in the Last Day, it is they to whom We shall give a great reward. (162)
An-Nisa
Explanation from Tafsir Ibn-e-Kathir

Some Foods Were Made Unlawful for the Jews Because of their Injustice and Wrongdoing

Allah states that because of the injustice and transgression of the Jews, demonstrated by committing major sins, He prohibited some of the lawful, pure things which were previously allowed for them. This prohibition could be only that of decree, meaning that Allah allowed the Jews to falsely interpret their Book and change and alter the information about what was allowed for them. They thus, out of exaggeration and extremism in the religion, prohibited some things for themselves. It could also mean that in the Tawrah, Allah prohibited things that were allowed for them before. Allah said,

[كُلُّ الطَّعَامِ كَانَ حِـلاًّ لِّبَنِى إِسْرَءِيلَ إِلاَّ مَا حَرَّمَ إِسْرَءِيلُ عَلَى نَفْسِهِ مِن قَبْلِ أَن تُنَزَّلَ التَّوْرَاةُ]

(All food was lawful to the Children of Israel, except what Isra'il made unlawful for himself before the Tawrah was revealed.) We mentioned this Ayah before, which means that all types of food were allowed for the Children of Israel before the Tawrah was revealed, except the camel's meat and milk that Isra'il prohibited for himself. Later, Allah prohibited many things in the Tawrah. Allah said in Surat Al-An`am (chapter 6),

[وَعَلَى الَّذِينَ هَادُواْ حَرَّمْنَا كُلَّ ذِى ظُفُرٍ وَمِنَ الْبَقَرِ وَالْغَنَمِ حَرَّمْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ شُحُومَهُمَآ إِلاَّ مَا حَمَلَتْ ظُهُورُهُمَآ أَوِ الْحَوَايَآ أَوْ مَا اخْتَلَطَ بِعَظْمٍ ذَلِكَ جَزَيْنَـهُم بِبَغْيِهِمْ وِإِنَّا لَصَـدِقُونَ ]

(And unto those who are Jews, We forbade every (animal) with undivided hoof, and We forbade them the fat of the ox and the sheep except what adheres to their backs or their entrails, or is mixed up with a bone. Thus We recompensed them for their rebellion. And verily, We are Truthful.) This means, We prohibited these things for them because they deserved it due to their transgression, injustice, defying their Messenger and disputing with him. So Allah said;

[فَبِظُلْمٍ مِّنَ الَّذِينَ هَادُواْ حَرَّمْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ طَيِّبَـتٍ أُحِلَّتْ لَهُمْ وَبِصَدِّهِمْ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ كَثِيراً ]

(For the wrongdoing of the Jews, We made unlawful to them certain good foods which had been lawful to them, and for their hindering many from Allah's way.) This Ayah states that they hindered themselves and others from following the truth, and this is the behavior that they brought from the past to the present. This is why they were and still are the enemies of the Messengers, killing many of the Prophets. They also denied Muhammad and `Isa, peace be upon them. mAllah said,

[وَأَخْذِهِمُ الرِّبَا وَقَدْ نُهُواْ عَنْهُ]

(And their taking of Riba' though they were forbidden from taking it,) Allah prohibited them from taking Riba', yet they did so using various kinds of tricks, ploys and cons, thus devouring people's property unjustly. Allah said,

[وَأَعْتَدْنَا لِلْكَـفِرِينَ مِنْهُمْ عَذَاباً أَلِيماً]

(And We have prepared for the disbelievers among them a painful torment. ) Allah then said,

[لَّـكِنِ الرَّاسِخُونَ فِى الْعِلْمِ مِنْهُمْ]

(But those among them who are well-grounded in knowledge...) firm in the religion and full of beneficial knowledge. We mentioned this subject when we explained Surah Al `Imran (3). The Ayah;

[وَالْمُؤْمِنُونَ]

(and the believers...) refers to the well-grounded in knowledge;

[يُؤْمِنُونَ بِمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ]

(believe in what has been sent down to you and what was sent down before you) Ibn `Abbas said, "This Ayah was revealed concerning `Abdullah bin Salam, Tha`labah bin Sa`yah, Zayd bin Sa`yah and Asad bin `Ubayd who embraced Islam and believed what Allah sent Muhammad with. Allah said,

[وَالْمُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَوةَ]

(and give Zakah,) This could be referring to the obligatory charity due on one's wealth and property, or those who purify themselves, or both. Allah knows best.

[وَالْمُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الاٌّخِرِ]

(and believe in Allah and in the Last Day,) They believe that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah, believe in Resurrection after death and the reward or punishment for the good or evil deeds. Allah's statement,

[أُوْلَـئِكَ]

(It is they,) those whom the Ayah described above,

[سَنُؤْتِيهِمْ أَجْراً عَظِيماً]
(To whom We shall give a great reward.) means Paradise.
III.
In another place Allah tells us,
All food was lawful to the Children of Israel, except what Israel [Jacob] made unlawful for himself before the Taurât (Torah) was revealed. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Bring here the Taurât (Torah) and recite it, if you are truthful." (93)
Aal-e-Imran
Explanation from Tafseer Ibn-e-Kathir
The Questions that the Jews Asked Our Prophet

Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, "A group of Jews came to Allah's Prophet and said, `Talk to us about some things we will ask you and which only a Prophet would know.' He said, `Ask me about whatever you wish. However, give your pledge to Allah, similar to the pledge that Ya`qub took from his children, that if I tell you something and you recognize its truth, you will follow me in Islam.' They said, `Agreed.' The Prophet said, `Ask me about whatever you wish.' They said, `Tell us about four matters: 1. What kinds of food did Isra'il prohibit for himself 2. What about the sexual discharge of the woman and the man, and what role does each play in producing male or female offspring 3. Tell us about the condition of the unlettered Prophet during sleep, 4. And who is his Wali (supporter) among the angels' The Prophet took their covenant that they will follow him if he answers these questions, and they agreed. He said, `I ask you by He Who sent down the Tawrah to Musa, do you not know that Isra'il once became very ill When his illness was prolonged, he vowed to Allah that if He cures His illness, he would prohibit the best types of drink and food for himself. Was not the best food to him camel meat and the best drink camel milk' They said, `Yes, by Allah.' The Messenger said, `O Allah, be Witness against them.' The Prophet then said, `I ask you by Allah, other than Whom there is no deity (worthy of worship), Who sent down the Tawrah to Musa, do you not know that man's discharge is thick and white and woman's is yellow and thin If any of these fluids becomes dominant, the offspring will take its sex and resemblance by Allah's leave. Hence, if the man's is more than the woman's, the child will be male, by Allah's leave. If the woman's discharge is more than the man's, then the child will be female, by Allah's leave.' They said, `Yes.' He said, `O Allah, be Witness against them.' He then said, `I ask you by He Who sent down the Tawrah to Musa, do you not know that the eyes of this unlettered Prophet sleep, but his heart does not sleep' They said, `Yes, by Allah!' He said, `O Allah, be Witness.' They said, `Tell us now about your Wali among the angels, for this is when we either follow or shun you.' He said, `My Wali (who brings down the revelation from Allah) is Jibril, and Allah never sent a Prophet, but Jibril is his Wali.' They said, `We then shun you. Had you a Wali other than Jibril, we would have followed you.' On that, Allah, the Exalted revealed,

[قُلْ مَن كَانَ عَدُوًّا لِّجِبْرِيلَ]

(Say: "Whoever is an enemy to Jibril...'') [2:97].''

Allah's statement,

[نَفْسِهِ مِن قَبْلِ أَن تُنَزَّلَ]

(before the Tawrah was revealed) [3:93], means, Isra'il forbade that for himself before the Tawrah was revealed. There are two objectives behind revealing this segment of the Ayah. First, he forbade himself the most delightful things for Allah's sake. This practice was allowed during his period of Law, and is, thus, suitable that it is mentioned after Allah's statement,

[لَن تَنَالُواْ الْبِرَّ حَتَّى تُنفِقُواْ مِمَّا تُحِبُّونَ]

(By no means shall you attain Al-Birr, unless you spend of that which you love) [3: 92].

What we are allowed in our Law is to spend in Allah's obedience from what we like and covet [but not to prohibit what Allah has allowed]. Allah said in other Ayat;

[وَءَاتَى الْمَالَ عَلَى حُبِّهِ]

(And gives his wealth, in spite of love for it,) [2:177], and;

[وَيُطْعِمُونَ الطَّعَامَ عَلَى حُبِّهِ]

(And they give food, in spite of their love for it,) [76:8].

The second reason is that after Allah refuted the false Christian beliefs and allegations about `Isa and his mother. Allah started refuting the Jews here, may Allah curse them, by stating that the abrogation of the Law, that they denied occurs, already occurred in their Law. For instance, Allah has stated in their Book, the Tawrah, that when Nuh departed from the ark, Allah allowed him to eat the meat of all types of animals. Afterwards, Isra'il forbade the meat and milk of camels for himself, and his children imitated this practice after him. The Tawrah later on prohibited this type of food, and added several more types of prohibitions. Allah allowed Adam to marry his daughters to his sons, and this practice was later forbidden. The Law of Ibrahim allowed the man to take female servants as companions along with his wife, as Ibrahim did when he took Hajar, while he was married to Sarah. Later on, the Tawrah prohibited this practice. It was previously allowed to take two sisters as wives at the same time, as Ya`qub married two sisters at the same time. Later on, this practice was prohibited in the Tawrah. All these examples are in the Tawrah and constitute a Naskh (abrogation) of the Law. Therefore, let the Jews consider what Allah legislated for `Isa and if such legislation falls under the category of abrogation or not. Why do they not then follow `Isa in this regard Rather, the Jews defied and rebelled against `Isa and against the correct religion that Allah sent Muhammad with.

This is why Allah said,

[كُلُّ الطَّعَامِ كَانَ حِـلاًّ لِّبَنِى إِسْرَءِيلَ إِلاَّ مَا حَرَّمَ إِسْرَءِيلُ عَلَى نَفْسِهِ مِن قَبْلِ أَن تُنَزَّلَ التَّوْرَاةُ]

(All food was lawful to the Children of Israel, except what Isra'il made unlawful for himself before the Tawrah was revealed) [3:93] meaning, before the Tawrah was revealed, all types of foods were allowed, except what Isra'il prohibited for himself. Allah then said,

[التَّوْرَاةُ قُلْ فَأْتُواْ بِالتَّوْرَاةِ فَاتْلُوهَا إِن كُنتُمْ]

(Say: "Bring here the Tawrah and recite it, if you are truthful.''),

for the Tawrah affirms what we are stating here. Allah said next,

[فَمَنِ افْتَرَى عَلَى اللَّهِ الْكَذِبَ مِن بَعْدِ ذَلِكَ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الظَّـلِمُونَ ]

(Then after that, whosoever shall invent a lie against Allah, then these it is that are the wrongdoers.) [3:94], in reference to those who lie about Allah and claim that He made the Sabbath and the Tawrah eternal. They are those who claim that Allah did not send another Prophet calling to Allah with the proofs and evidences, although evidence indicates that abrogation, as we have described, occurred before in the Tawrah,

[فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الظَّـلِمُونَ]

(then these it is that are the wrongdoers.)

Allah then said,

[قُلْ صَدَقَ اللَّهُ]

(Say, "Allah has spoken the truth;'') [3:95] meaning, O Muhammad, say that Allah has said the truth in what He conveyed and legislated in the Qur'an,
 

dianek

Junior Member
GOSH, you guys really take something and change the whole concept of a post! I wasn't saying that we HAVE to have scientific reasons for us to follow what Allah makes Haraam.....I only meant that in doing dawah or educating non-muslims, we can provide logical explanations for ease of understanding.

I see this attitude in numerous post, you take things in another direction to make it argumentative. Stop it already!!!!
 

Mohsin

abdu'Allah
Peace be upon you sister,

Peace be upon you sister,
GOSH, you guys really take something and change the whole concept of a post! I wasn't saying that we HAVE to have scientific reasons for us to follow what Allah makes Haraam.....I only meant that in doing dawah or educating non-muslims, we can provide logical explanations for ease of understanding.

I see this attitude in numerous post, you take things in another direction to make it argumentative. Stop it already!!!!
Hope you are not annoyed due to my lengthy reply but incase you are I just wanna say that I just provided references to sister Shy Hijabi as she asked for it.
Other than that I agree with you. :SMILY139:
 

dianek

Junior Member
Salaam Moshin!!! No it wasn't you it was the other 2 posters complaining about why we don't have to prove anything to anybody just hear and obey....that annoyed me because they were making it a debate which was not the intent at all! You know what I mean jelly bean?:SMILY139:
 

Quratulaine

Junior Member
:salam2:

Yes, i agree....let's not change the topic of the post! no one said we HAVE to have scientific evidence for halal and haram!!!!!!

however....i love reading about scientific articles which back up the quran. that is something that is unique to islam...for example....the bible does not have science to back it up.

:wasalam:
 

muharram23

New Member
Staff member
:salam2:

Sister, I think brother is referring to these ayaat of the Quran where Allah tells us,

I.
Explanation from Tafsir Ibn-e-Kathir

II.
At another place in the Quran Allah says,

Explanation from Tafsir Ibn-e-Kathir


III.
In another place Allah tells us,

Explanation from Tafseer Ibn-e-Kathir

jazakallahu khair mohsin

wasalam
 

abubaseer

tanzil.info
Staff member
GOSH, you guys really take something and change the whole concept of a post! I wasn't saying that we HAVE to have scientific reasons for us to follow what Allah makes Haraam.....I only meant that in doing dawah or educating non-muslims, we can provide logical explanations for ease of understanding.

I see this attitude in numerous post, you take things in another direction to make it argumentative. Stop it already!!!!

LOL...wanted to add someting but seem like sister is really annoyed.
 

Al-Kashmiri

Well-Known Member
Staff member
As-salaamu `alaykum.

There is no debate here, so no need to get heated up people. Some scientific information has been presented, which I believe based upon experience, does aid us in da`wah. However others have rightfully pointed out that with regards to the halaal and haraam, we accept the speech of Allaah and his Messenger, sall-Allaahu `alayhi wasallam (so we abandon these disallowed matters if we haven't already for Allaah's sake firstly, not abandoning it for the harms it has on us primarily, if we want to obtain reward). Science isn't legaslative source of Islaam, but it can definately boost ones eemaan and/or help them abide by its teachings more closely.

I don't see the harm in the use of scientific proofs (to further emphasise a point). Some of the mashaayikh have somewhat resorted to this, like when discussing the issue of male circumcision and STDs. But please people, I'm seeing unnecessary argumentation being initiated, and it takes two opposing parties to do that, not just one person.

As Muslims, we should refer (in order) to the Book of Allaah with it's tafseer, the authentic ahaadeeth, the statements of salaf; especially when they agreed upon matters. We should also look to the statements of the scholars and when needed, other specialist knowledge pertaining a matter. I remember when Shaykh, Dr. Saleh As-Saleh, may Allaah grant him Jannah and expiate his sins, co-ordinating some lab experiments with flies, to prove the benefits of dipping a fly in your drink if part of it has already landed in your drink. The hadeeth is on the lines of, "Should a fly land in the drink of one of you then dip it into your drink, for verily in one wing is a disease and in the other is its cure.". Anyway the petry dish results showed how not doing so produces some harmful substances in your drink, such that one would have to discard it (unless you want to obtain some disease). But by dipping the the fly completely in, the contamination is wiped out and steralised!

Anyway, I mentioned the issue of the fly to a non-Muslim who was amazed because he said that it's a trick he was taught and used when he was camping... The fact that it was reported by the Messenger, sal-Allaahu `alayhi wasallam really hit him. The other non-Muslim there, present at the time has now taken shahadah, walhamdulillaah. Maa shaa Allaah, it is still on his site here. Subhaan Allaah, I do miss the Shaykh's online lessons... rahimahullaahu ta`aala.

So people, can this stop now please? I don't wanna see no finger pointing either. May Allaah bless you all.
 
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