Working with (and selling) pork...?

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:salam2:

A friend of mine recently got a part-time job to help her fund her studies (alhamdulillah), as her parents are unable to assist her financially, and she has no assistance from the state, as it is a postgraduate course. She searched for a job for a long time, but it was hard to find something that fitted in with her studies, paid appropriately, and didn't contradict Islam (i.e. she could have easily gotten a job in a bar or whatever, but for obvious reasons decided not to).

So she works in a bakery...where they sell pork. Not JUST pork, they do a variety of foods, all permissable in Islam, except the pork. She is required to sell ham sandwiches to the public...she doesn't touch the meat, as it comes pre-packed, and it's not her job to prepare sandwiches anyway.

Is there any sin in selling pork (which you have no actual physical contact with) to non-Muslims?

I once read that there's no sin in working in establishments that sell haraam goods (such as restaurants that sell alcohol), provided that the need for money (to be put to good use) outweighs the need NOT to work there...BUT, my recollection is hazy, I can't remember where I read such information, nor can I remember if the stipulation was that the employee themself doesn't actually serve these items (i.e. he/she calls on a non-Muslim colleague in such situations).

As far as I can tell, asking a colleague to take over when a customer wants to buy pork would be highly impractical indeed in this workplace!

Any evidence-based advice is welcome...

Also, she's actively seeking another job which casts no doubt as to her sins, but she's wondering if it'd be OK to continue doing this in the meantime.
 
I've had a similar type of situation. I am an accountant and I was going to apply for a job, but I found out the company was one of the governments top Defense missle/army contractor. I personally didn't want to support it any way, but my (Muslim) friends said as long as you are not actually building the missles then you are okay, but since I am an accountant and just dealing with #'s and financials then most jobs are permissible, because of my field.

Another (Muslim) friend of mines has a masters in engineering; alot of engineering jobs here in US would most likely be for Defense contractor positions, and working to build weapons, aircraft, missles, etc, but he decided to work for the US Patent.

It almost comes down to personal preference and the situation you are in---I would not work in a place that sells alcohol, unless there was no other job I could find or because I was financially struggling. I personally believe her situation is legit and I believe she can still work there, but try just a little harder to find something else in the mean time while she is working there. Who knows, she could find a place that sells non-haram food and get paid more!

I've even heard in countries like UAE Muslims sell alcohol to non-Muslims only!

And Allah Knows Best

walaakum salaam
 

Happy 2BA Muslim

Islamophilic
Is it permissible to sell haraam things like pork to non-Muslims?​

Question:
I work in a seaport and serve ships that are passing through. Most of these ships are foreign and the people working on them are non-Muslims. The company owner sells pork to these ships sometimes, then he distributes the profits of these sales to us employees and we accept it on the basis that selling pork to non-Muslims is not haraam, and there is no text in the Qur’aan or Sunnah that says that it is haraam to sell it to non-Muslims. And we cannot compare alcohol to pork because pork existed at the time of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and if he had wanted to forbid it and curse it he would have done so as he did with alcohol. But there are some people who made us doubt whether this money is halaal. Is it halaal or haraam?
If we do not participate in the sale, will it not matter if we take these profits if the company owner gives them to us like an act of charity? Do we have the right to accept charity when we know its origin? Is there any hadeeth in which the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated clearly and unequivocally that it is haraam to sell pork to non-Muslims? Because pork is not haraam for the People of the Book.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

It is not permissible for anyone to issue fatwas concerning the religion of Allaah without knowledge. It is essential to understand the seriousness of doing that, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): (But) the things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are Al‑Fawaahish (great evil sins and every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse) whether committed openly or secretly, sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppression, joining partners (in worship) with Allaah for which He has given no authority, and saying things about Allaah of which you have no knowledge”

[al-‘Araaf 7:33]

So it is not permissible for anyone to say, this is halaal and that is haraam, if he has no sound evidence to that effect. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely: ‘This is lawful and this is forbidden,’ so as to invent lies against Allaah. Verily, those who invent lies against Allaah will never prosper”

[al-Nahl 16:116]

Secondly:

Selling pork is haraam whether it is sold to a Muslim or to a kaafir. The evidence for that is as follows:

1 – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): I find not in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be Maytah (a dead animal) or blood poured forth (by slaughtering or the like), or the flesh of salcohol (pork); for that surely, is impure or impious (unlawful) meat (of an animal) which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols, or on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering”

[al-An’aam 6:145]

And the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught us an important principle when he said: “When Allaah forbids a thing, He (also) forbids its price.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 3488; classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Ghaayat al-Maraam, 318.

2 – It was narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say when he was in Makkah at the time of the Conquest: “Allaah and His Messenger have forbidden the sale of alcohol, dead meat, pork and idols.” It was said: “O Messenger of Allaah, what do you think of the fat of dead animals, for ships are caulked with it and animal skins are daubed with it, and the people use it to light their lamps?” He said: “No, it is haraam.” Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “May Allaah curse the Jews, for when Allaah forbade them animal fat, they melted it down and sold it, and consumed its price.”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1212; Muslim, 1581.

Al-Nawawi said:

With regard to dead meat, alcohol and pork, the Muslims are unanimously agreed that it is haraam to sell all of these.

Al-Qaadi said: This hadeeth indicates that whatever we are forbidden to eat or make use of, we are also forbidden to sell, and it is not permissible to consume its price, as in the case of the animal fat mentioned in this hadeeth.

Sharh Muslim, 11/8

Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali said, after quoting the ahaadeeth about the prohibition on alcohol:

The conclusion we may draw from all these ahaadeeth is that whatever Allaah has forbidden us to make use of, it is also haraam to sell it and consume its price, as is stated clearly in the hadeeth: “When Allaah forbids a thing, He (also) forbids its price.” This is a general, comprehensive phrase which applies to everything which is intended to be used in haraam ways. These fall into two categories:

(i) Things which are to be used and will remain as they are, such as idols. The purpose for which they are used is shirk or association of others with Allaah, which is the greatest of all sins. We may add to that books of shirk, witchcraft, innovation (bid’ah) and misguidance, forbidden images, forbidden means of entertainment and also buying slave women who will serve as singers.

(ii) Things which are to be used and which will be used up. If in the majority of cases a thing is used for haraam purposes, then it is haraam to sell it. For example, it is haraam to sell pork, alcohol and dead meat even though they may – on rare occasions – be used for a permissible purpose, such as eating dead meat for those who are in extreme need, or using alcohol to stop oneself choking or to putt out a fire, or using pig hairs for beading, or making use of the hair and skin of a pig – according to those who approve of that. But because these are not the reason for which these things are produced, and the usual use for pigs and dead meat is to eat them, and the usual use for alcohol is to drink it, so no attention should be paid to these reasons, and it is haraam to sell these things.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) indicated this when it was said to him: “What do you think of the fat of dead animals, for ships are caulked with it and animal skins are daubed with it, and the people use it to light their lamps?” He said: “No, it is haraam.”

Jaami’ al-‘Uloom wa’l-Hukam, 1/415, 416

The Standing Committee was asked: Is it permissible to deal in alcohol and pork if one is not selling them to a Muslim? They replied: It is not permissible to deal in foods and other things that Allaah has forbidden, such as alcohol and pork, even if one is selling them to kaafirs, because it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When Allaah forbids a thing, He also forbids its price.” And because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed alcohol, the one who drinks it, the one who sells it, the one who buys it, the one who carries it, the one to whom it is carried, the one who consumes its price, the one who squeezes (the grapes, etc) and the one for whom it is squeezed.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 13/49.

Thirdly:

With regard to the questioner saying, “selling pork to non-Muslims is not haraam, and there is no text in the Qur’aan or Sunnah that says that it is haraam to sell it to non-Muslims”, this is not correct. We have quoted above evidence from the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and have stated that the scholars are agreed that it is haraam to sell pork. The general meaning of the evidence indicates that it is haraam to sell it to Muslims and kaafirs alike, because the evidence indicates that the prohibition on selling it is general in application, and no differentiation is made between Muslims and others.

Indeed, if we were to say that what is meant by the prohibition on selling it is selling it to kaafirs, that would not be far-fetched, because the basic assumption concerning the Muslim is that he would never buy pork: what would he do with it when he knows that Allaah has forbidden it?

Similarly, the questioner’s saying that “pork existed at the time of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and if he had wanted to forbid it and curse it he would have done so as he did with alcohol” is also not correct, because it is not essential for a thing to be forbidden that the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) should have cursed the one who does it. Rather it is sufficient that he forbade it or stated that it is haraam, as he forbade the sale of pork.

Fourthly:

With regard to your taking this money, now that you know that it is haraam, it is more befiiting for you to refuse to take it, especially since your taking it is like giving approval to what the company owner is doing. You have to advise him, denounce what he is doing and exhort him to give up these haraam actions. Whoever gives up something for the sake of Allaah, Allaah will compensate him with something better than it.

With regard to the money that you took before you found out that it is haraam, there is no sin on you, in sha Allah. Allaah says in the verses in which He forbids riba (usury, interest) (interpretation of the meaning):

“So whosoever receives an admonition from his Lord and stops eating Ribaa, shall not be punished for the past; his case is for Allaah (to judge)”

[al-Baqarah 2:275]

We ask Allaah to grant you a halaal and blessed provision. And Allaah knows best.
 

Globalpeace

Banned
Working in a store which sells pork???

W-Salam,

Source: http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=1883&ln=eng&txt=pork

Question:
I just completed my master in computer scince and am now looking for a job. My Question is that during my study and now I am working in a pizza store as a delivery person which is owned by a 'Qadiani', and he is selling pork pizza. Can I work in his store because most of the pizza orders are pork pizza?


Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

It is not permissible for you to do work which involves carrying pork and delivering it to the people who are going to eat it. Because by doing so you are taking part and cooperating in sin. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"Help you one another in al-birr and al-taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression…" [al-Maa’idah 5:2]
We ask Allaah to help you find acceptable work and a halaal income, for He is the All-Hearing Who answers prayers.

"… And whoever fears Allaah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make a way for him to get out (from every difficulty). And He will provide him from (sources) he never could imagine…" [al-Talaaq 65:2]




Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid


:salam2:

A friend of mine recently got a part-time job to help her fund her studies (alhamdulillah), as her parents are unable to assist her financially, and she has no assistance from the state, as it is a postgraduate course. She searched for a job for a long time, but it was hard to find something that fitted in with her studies, paid appropriately, and didn't contradict Islam (i.e. she could have easily gotten a job in a bar or whatever, but for obvious reasons decided not to).

So she works in a bakery...where they sell pork. Not JUST pork, they do a variety of foods, all permissable in Islam, except the pork. She is required to sell ham sandwiches to the public...she doesn't touch the meat, as it comes pre-packed, and it's not her job to prepare sandwiches anyway.

Is there any sin in selling pork (which you have no actual physical contact with) to non-Muslims?

I once read that there's no sin in working in establishments that sell haraam goods (such as restaurants that sell alcohol), provided that the need for money (to be put to good use) outweighs the need NOT to work there...BUT, my recollection is hazy, I can't remember where I read such information, nor can I remember if the stipulation was that the employee themself doesn't actually serve these items (i.e. he/she calls on a non-Muslim colleague in such situations).

As far as I can tell, asking a colleague to take over when a customer wants to buy pork would be highly impractical indeed in this workplace!

Any evidence-based advice is welcome...

Also, she's actively seeking another job which casts no doubt as to her sins, but she's wondering if it'd be OK to continue doing this in the meantime.
 

baffo10

New Member
Assalamo alekom bro/sisters.
I'm a Sign writer and i get too many jobs to do with harraam (pork, alcohol and intres agencies ....etc) I dont do it the sign for them becouse anything Allah make harraam frm us, from eating or drinking its harram and the money u make are of it, so i try do feed my kids and my family Halal money and AlhamduLilah im happy about wht im doing and i ask Allah to forgive me if i eat or i earn some thing harram Allah SWT gafuru Alraheem.
 

virtualeye

Tamed Brother
Assalamo alekom bro/sisters.
I'm a Sign writer and i get too many jobs to do with harraam (pork, alcohol and intres agencies ....etc) I dont do it the sign for them becouse anything Allah make harraam frm us, from eating or drinking its harram and the money u make are of it, so i try do feed my kids and my family Halal money and AlhamduLilah im happy about wht im doing and i ask Allah to forgive me if i eat or i earn some thing harram Allah SWT gafuru Alraheem.


And I love you for the sake of Allah. :D

Wassalaam,
VE
 

almouchie

Junior Member
salam

I will post my situation
I work as an auditor in special investigation unit in central bank, & lately I read in several sites (fatwas) that it isnt permissible to work in banks as they deal in interest & probably used that to pay the employees

I never thought it might actually be 'haraam', & who has the right to actually say this is haraam or not.
I read that it is not permissible to pay interest or take interest, which makes it sort of hard in this day & age.

I keep thinking i dont work in promoting interest or whatever, I do a very respectable job & get paid accordingly, should i be held responsible from where the money comes from.
you can't always tell that the source of money is halaal or clean.

anyways, I just voicing my thoughts
Inshalah i am not doing anything unlawful
 

Globalpeace

Banned
Asslamo Allaikum,

To the best of knowledge; your job falls in the middle.

There are fatawas on either side i.e. some scholars say that you should quit everything and anything to do with the bank while others say that you should avoid working if the job deals with direct dealings in transaction.

I whole-heartedly agree that in this day & age there are almost NO jobs which are free from some involvement in Interest.

I am worked in Saudi Arabia & the banking system there is also NOT free from dealing in interest.

salam

I will post my situation
I work as an auditor in special investigation unit in central bank, & lately I read in several sites (fatwas) that it isnt permissible to work in banks as they deal in interest & probably used that to pay the employees

I never thought it might actually be 'haraam', & who has the right to actually say this is haraam or not.
I read that it is not permissible to pay interest or take interest, which makes it sort of hard in this day & age.

I keep thinking i dont work in promoting interest or whatever, I do a very respectable job & get paid accordingly, should i be held responsible from where the money comes from.
you can't always tell that the source of money is halaal or clean.

anyways, I just voicing my thoughts
Inshalah i am not doing anything unlawful
 
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