Assalaamu `alaykum
Yusuf- May Allaah forgive you for your extreme ignorance and guide you and all of us to the straight path.
To many it may seem a bit harsh, but the truth is something that stands out from falsehood. How sad is it to see muslims mouthing around about the religion of Islaam without knowledge.
I am very sorry to say, and I am completely honest- Yusuf you are extremely ignorant... which means it gives you completely no right to 'interpret' the Qur'aan and sunnah and it definately gives you no right to teach your disgusting distortions- and I hope Allaah overlooks you for your ignorance.
Allaah said in Soorah al- A`raaf: 33
"Say, 'My Lord has only forbidden immoralities – what is apparent of them and what is concealed – and sin, and oppression without right, and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down authority, and that you say about Allah that which you do not know.'"
If one was to notice, Allaah mentioned speaking about Him without knowledge after shirk and due to this reason- scholars such as Ibn al-Qayyim mentioned that it is worse than shirk to speak about Allaah without knowledge.
Thus, I warn you Yusuf to not speak about Allaah or His Religion or His Messenger without knowledge.
Last time I checked it was a way of life, as an ideology is based on ones 'interpretation of ideas' and has nothing to do with faith.
But if another Muslim shares an opposing view and can back it up logically using the Quran or a 'Shahih' Hadith then they are entitled to their opinion.
Sorry but according to your own definition of understanding the Qur'aan and Sunnah- you have made 'your' Islaam into an ideology.
When did Allaah or the Messenger of Allaah ever teach us that we must understand the Qur'aan and Sunnah with accordance to 'Logic'. Worst of all you are not even using logic in a general sense. Indeed my logic is able to appreciate the stoning of the aduleterer or the adulteress (in an Islaamic state)- and so did the logic of the Messenger of Allaah and so did the logic of the Sahaabah and the righteous predecessors. So, the problem is with your logic and intellect- and even you are basing your logic on some modernist website... thus blind following some random so-called modernist 'scholar'.
When the Messenger of Allaah :saw2: was on his night journey- he went from Makkah to Jerusalem in one night and he led salaah in Masjid al-Aqsa and on top of that he led all the Prophets in prayer (Prophets who have all died).
When the Kuffaar of the Quraysh went to Abu Bakr and narrated this incident about the Prophet :saw2: going to Jerusalem and asked him about his thoughts... did he Al-Siddeeq, Abu Bakr say that it is
illogical for that to happen? No, rather he believed in it. After this incident he was praised by the Prophet :saw2: and we all are aware of this incident.
So, throw your logic behind your back and come back to the saved group. The group that has been promised paradise.
The Messenger of Allaah :saw2: said:
“My ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of whom will be in Hell except one group.” They said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah? He said: “(Those who follow) that which I and my companions follow.”[Al-Tirmidhi]
Thus, one understands the Qur'aan and Sunnah according to how the Sahaabah understood the Qur'aan and Sunnah.
In matters of faith to matters of worship- in every single thing... we understand the Qur'aan and Sunnah according to how the Sahaabah understood.
Allaah said in Soorah al-Tawbah: 100
"And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajiroon (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madinah) and the Ansar (the citizens of Al-Madinah who helped and gave aid to the Muhajiroon) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success."
Allaah mentions about those who follow the Sahaabah in faith- the first pillar of Islaam... let alone acts of worship.
Allaah also said in Soorah al-Nisaa': 115
"And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination."
We know very well that the believers at the time of this revelation were the Sahaabah, RadiyAllaahu `anhum (May Allaah be pleased with them)
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Thank you for the the Hadith! Masha'Allah! But I think dont think that Hadith is 'shahih'.
Are you a Hadeeth scholar? You simply declare it to be not Saheeh because it contradicts your own logic. So, if an authentic narration does not contradict the Qur'aan according to your logic.. but it contradicts according to my logic- then am I allowed to throw that hadeeth behind my back? Or a third hadeeth may not contradict to both our logic, but it contradicts one of our memeber's logic... can he/she throw that hadeeth away?
So, according to whose logic is this religion based on? Your Logic? My Logic? Or Joe's Logic?
I don't care if you reply to any of my post- but I really want you to reply to this one.
(Quran 24:2:
The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.)
As you can see here the punishment for adultery is 100 lashes. Not stoning to death. The Prophet
clearly followed the Quran so that makes the stoning Hadith unreliable.
The verses refer to the person who commits Zinaa and is unmarried. Zinaa' is used for both fornication and adultery in Islaamic terms.
All the scholars have agreed that the punishment for the Adulterer and the Adulteress is stoning to death. You come to me after 1400 years- indicating that the religion has not been preserved?
The Messenger of Allaah :saw2: said:
"Indeed Allaah will not cause my Ummah to agree upon an error" [Al-Tirmidhi]
The Prophet :saw2: also said:
“A group of my followers will always remain on the right path.”[Al-Bukhaari]
Are you saying that a group of the followers of the Prophet :saw2: failed to emerge untill after 1400 years? Then, surely the hadeeth has been proven wrong.
So you have 3 choice here:
1) Accept the fact that you are wrong and accept what the Muslim Ummah was upon for the last 1400 years.
2) Throw away all these narrations too and stick to your distorted image of al-Islaam... and thus pushing you far away from Allaah and increasing you in your pride and stubborness
3) Clearly state that Allaah failed to preserve this religion.
Choice number 1 is best for your hereafter and inshaa'Allaah will lead you to eternal bliss.
Choice number 3 is the worst for you and most definately guarantee you a place in the hell-fire for eternity
Choice number 2 is a slippery slope that may lead you to choice number 3 at a later stage. The choice in itself is heresy and you are most definately deserving to be punished by Allaah in the hereafter- as you have deeply innovated in the religion.
As a side note: What do you say about this ayah?
"Cut off the (right) hand of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allah. And Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise." [Soorah al-Maa'idah: 38]
Surely that ayah is "barbaric" according to secular laws- shall we throw this ayah out of the Qur'aan? Be warned- if you do... you have
clearly apostated.
The Quran it'self says it's the best Hadith.
(Quran 4:87: Allah - there is no deity except Him. He will surely assemble you for [account on] the Day of Resurrection, about which there is no doubt. And who is more truthful than Allah in statement?)
Quran 39:23: Allah has sent down the best statement: a consistent Book wherein is reiteration. The skins shiver therefrom of those who fear their Lord; then their skins and their hearts relax at the remembrance of Allah . That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whom He wills. And one whom Allah leaves astray - for him there is no guide.)
The Quran itself says to follow no other sources but the Quran.
(Quran 77:50: Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe?)
(Quran 45:6: These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe?)
It is the same Qur'aan in which Allaah said:
"Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [Soorah aal-`Imraan: 31]
The authentic sunnah is revelation just like the Qur'aan, as Allaah said in Soorah al-Najm: 3-4
"Nor does he speak from [his own] desires. It is not but a revelation revealed"
The Prophet :saw2: said:
“Verily I have been given the Qur’aan and something similar to it along with it (i.e the sunnah). But soon there will be a time when a man will be reclining on his couch with a full stomach, and he will say, ‘You should adhere to this Qur’aan: what you find that it says is permissible, take it as permissible, and what you find it says is forbidden, take it as forbidden.’ But indeed, whatever the Messenger of Allaah forbids is like what Allaah forbids.” [Al-Tirmidhi]
Allaah also said:
"And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad SAW) the Dhikr (i.e. the Quran), so that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought. [Soorah al-Nahl: 44] "
I only accept an Hadith if it fits my very strict criteria.
Your strict criteria? Mr. Self-Proclaim Hadeeth Scholar... what if a hadeeth fits 'your strict criteria' but not 'my strict criteria'.
Do I throw the hadeeth away? Or do I accept it- because you want all of us to blind follow your logic and intellect?
Imam Bhukari and other writers have made many mistakes with their corrupt Hadith collection, so how can them believe them him over Allah in punishment????
With their corrupt hadeeth collection? May I ask- do you even accept any hadeeth from Bukhaari? If yes- you are corrupted too.
Whatever you say... How many hadeeth have you memorized in arabic? 1? How many with it's chain of narrators? 1?
Or actually have you ever seen a chain of narration?
You have no right to speak about Imaam al-Bukhaari rahimahullaah.
I posted as I would like to be more knowledgable.
Sorry to say- but you are the most ignorant in this thread. I hope you put some effort in seeing the truth. And I ask Allaah to guide you to the truth.
Wassalaamu `alaykum