A question that may confuse somebody

hayat84

I'm not what you believe
:salam2:
hoping you all are in good health and Imaan,some days ago a question ran into my head,putting me in confusion.
It's about the creation of the first man on the Earth,Adam AS.
when Allah punished Adam and he espouse for their disobedience,they were sent to the Earth and they started procreating.As I read from the Bible too,their first sons were Kean and Abel.the first one killed the second one for he was jealous.

Adam and Ewa continued giving the birth to many children,but they were the real 2 first creatures who Allah created.how could them spread the mankind if there were only them 2 on the earth?is it possible that the sons and the daughters of Adam and Ewa made children even if they were brothers and sisters?
maybe I put a chaos on here,but whoever can give me any response,it's well listened.I thought,how is it possible that the sons of Adam have chinese/african/american/norwegian(etc.)lineaments,if they all come from only 2 people?
is there any explaination of this?:SMILY176::wasalam:
 

Ayyub

Junior Member
Wa'alaikoum Assalam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Baraktuh.

Sister Adam alayhi assalam wa Hawa radhiallahu anha always had twins. One boy and a female. At that time their sharia was that it was not allowed that the twins could marry each other. But they were allowed to marry like this:

Group1: 2 children: One boy and one girl
Group2: 2 children: Again one boy and one girl.

The boy of group 1 could marry the girl of group 2 as this was the sharia that were active at that time and the boy of group 2 could marry the girl of group 1 and so on.
There were more than 2 groups.

We have to consider that Adam alayhi assalam didn't live under the same laws that we live under today. The same goes for the other prophets alahuma assalam.
For further understanding you can watch this lecture:
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hayat84

I'm not what you believe
yes,but they all brothers and sisters.it is called incest,isn't it?how could their sons and daughters have children,if they were the first humans existing on the Earth??
 

Ayyub

Junior Member
yes,but they all brothers and sisters.it is called incest,isn't it?how could their sons and daughters have children,if they were the first humans existing on the Earth??

Sister like I said Allah allowed it at that time and forbade it afterwards when there were a lot of offsprings of Adam alayhi assalam.

Why do you think we are being called the children of Adam alayhi assalam. I mean we had to have a beginning.
And I would advise you to stop saying that this is incest.

Wa'alaikoum assalam Wa Rahamatullahi Wa Barakatuh
 

slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
yes,but they all brothers and sisters.it is called incest,isn't it?how could their sons and daughters have children,if they were the first humans existing on the Earth??

:salam2: wr wb,

sister at the time of adam (a.s) the law was different, everytime hawa (a.s) give birth she gave birth to twins, one being boy and one being girl, so the law at that time was children from different birth could get married but not from the same birth.

InshAllah i hope you understood

JazakAllah khair
 

hayat84

I'm not what you believe
it's like the beginning of the life of a baby.at first cells multiplicate among them,then they stop doing it because they are enough to give shape toe each organ,alright?forgive me for the term in a society like that,I didn't understand very well from where we come from
 

Aziboy

Banned
how is it possible that the sons of Adam have chinese/african/american/norwegian(etc.)lineaments, if they all come from only 2 people?
is there any explaination of this?:SMILY176::wasalam:

Yes there is an explanation for this,

"O mankind! Have fear of your Lord, the One who created you from a single soul, from that soul He created its mate, and through them He spread countless men and women. Fear Allah, the One in whose name you demand your rights from one another and the ties of relationship; surely Allah is watching you very closely.[An-Nisa:1]

O mankind! We created you from a single pair of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes that you might get to know one another. Surely the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is he who is the most righteous. Allah is All-Knowledgeable, All-Aware.[Al-Hujurat:13]

In the Earth He has created things of different colors: surely there is a sign in this for those who want to learn a lesson.[AN-NAHL:13]

So our creation as in African, Chinese, american and so on is indeed a sign from ALLAH.

Remember, ISLAM is far more superior than science or anything on the face of this earth. Hope that answers your question
 

hayat84

I'm not what you believe
:salam2:
I read those verses in my italian copy of the Quran and I've never understood the sense of them.I'm still a bit in confusion.how in many centuries we are arrived here,I can't still understand,how mankind made discoveries,inventions,wars..how the human kind was created to be servant of Allah and he's become an enemy to Him?is it really possible that from 2 slaves of Allah so many bad creatures have come out?
 

slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
:salam2:
I read those verses in my italian copy of the Quran and I've never understood the sense of them.I'm still a bit in confusion.how in many centuries we are arrived here,I can't still understand,how mankind made discoveries,inventions,wars..how the human kind was created to be servant of Allah and he's become an enemy to Him?is it really possible that from 2 slaves of Allah so many bad creatures have come out?

:salam2:

sisters, May Allah (swt) enlighten you and save you from the waswasa of shaitaan- ameen

all you questions inshAllah can be answered if you study the stories of the Prophet, if you know bilal assad you will love his lecture style , here is link to episode 1 of his series "reflections on the prophet"
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i heard heard all of them but if you listen to his lectures it will answer your questions InshAllah taa'la

Just make sure, that you dont let shaitan play with your head sometimes he will play with you put more n more confusion in your mind so it can take you away from Allah (swt) , reduce your imaan and cause you damage

:wasalam:
 

hayat84

I'm not what you believe
my pc is too much slow,so I can't listen correctly the whole video.thank you a lot for the post.I too hope to be enlighten,'cause at the moment I'm sailing into the darkness,awaiting for more answers.:wasalam:
 

kashif_nazeer

~~~Alhamdulillah~~~
:salam2:
I read those verses in my italian copy of the Quran and I've never understood the sense of them.I'm still a bit in confusion.how in many centuries we are arrived here,I can't still understand,how mankind made discoveries,inventions,wars..how the human kind was created to be servant of Allah and he's become an enemy to Him?is it really possible that from 2 slaves of Allah so many bad creatures have come out?

:wasalam:

Sister,brother Azim posted beautiful verse,which assimilates in itself a history of mankind's creation and their spread accross the world.

O mankind! We created you from a single pair of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes that you might get to know one another. Surely the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is he who is the most righteous. Allah is All-Knowledgeable, All-Aware.[Al-Hujurat:13]

Allah created Aadam('layhissalam) and taugth him the name of all things.
And He taught Adam the names - all of them. Then He showed them to the angels and said, "Inform Me of the names of these, if you are truthful."[2:31]

This seed of worldly knowledge was sown in our mind back then.Linguistically sister,everything ultimately boils down to nouns or names.So that is how human being developed worldly skills of scientific discoveries etc.

Why mankind went astray?

Mankind was [of] one religion [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. And none differed over the Scripture except those who were given it - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path.[2:213]

So it was due to their mutual hatred that they differed until,they went astray.
Arrogance,pride,hatred,jeaolosy,etc buried the seed of fitrah(natural innate disposition of acceptance of Allah's Lordship).Thus covering it up.Kufr also means to cover something.

Also in Surah At Teen(interpretation of the meaning) it is mentioned:

We have certainly created man in the best of stature;
Then We return him to the lowest of the low,
Except for those who believe and do righteous deeds, for they will have a reward uninterrupted.[95:4-6]

So the only way one could be saved from being "lowest of the low",is by having belief and doing righteous deeds.
Also if you read surah al 'asr ,four criterion are given,without which mankind are in loss,first two of which are same as in surah at teen(belief and righteous deeds) followed by those who advised each other to truth and advised each other to patience.

Sister,I also advice you to read Qur'an in sha' Allah with pondering and contemplation and say a'udhubillahi min ash shaytaanir rajeem regularly and seek help in prayer and patience.

May Allah forgive me if I have said anything wrong and please brothers and sisters correct me,in sha' Allah.
May Allah guide us and keep all of us steadfast on his deen.Ameen.
 

slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
my pc is too much slow,so I can't listen correctly the whole video.thank you a lot for the post.I too hope to be enlighten,'cause at the moment I'm sailing into the darkness,awaiting for more answers.:wasalam:

:salam2:

sister let me write quickly from wat i have heard and inshAllah i hope someone can correct me if i mis-spoke, and inshAllah watever mistake i make is my mistake and I seek Allah(swt) forgiveness

Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 514
Narrated 'Imran bin Hussain:

While I was with the Prophet , some people from Bani Tamim came to him. The Prophet said, "O Bani Tamim! Accept the good news!" They said, "You have given us the good news; now give us (something)." (After a while) some Yemenites entered, and he said to them, "O the people of Yemen! Accept the good news, as Bani Tamim have refused it. " They said, "We accept it, for we have come to you to learn the Religion. So we ask you what the beginning of this universe was." The Prophet said "There was Allah and nothing else before Him and His Throne was over the water, and He then created the Heavens and the Earth and wrote everything in the Book." Then a man came to me and said, 'O Imran! Follow your she-camel for it has run away!" So I set out seeking it, and behold, it was beyond the mirage! By Allah, I wished that it (my she-camel) had gone but that I had not left (the gathering). "

The first thing Allah (swt) created was the pen and Allah (swt) ordered it to write and it wrote everything that will happen till the day of judgement.
Allah (swt) created angels from light and jin from fire.

I just want to post this before i continue this ayah and some explanation to it,

Al-Baqarah 2:30 And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." They said: "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify You with praises and thanks and sanctify You." He (Allah) said: "I know that which you do not know."

Two explanations as to how the angels knew about what humans will do in this world.
One is that Allah told them beforehand this is what humans will do.

Second is The creation was also reported by Ibn Abbas (ra):
"Two thousand years before (mankind) was created, there were Jinn on (the Earth), and they caused corruption on it and shed blood. Then Allah sent against them a troop of Angels who beat them and cast them away to islands in the seas. So, when Allah said: ‘I am placing (mankind) generations after generations on Earth,’ They (the Angels) said, ‘Will You place therein one who will cause corruption and shed blood’ (Al Baqarah, 2:30), That is: Just as those Jinn did?? Then Allah said: ‘I know that which you do not know.’"

There is no Sahih hadith to support either one of these explanations.

some scholars i heard just mentioned the Jinn were living on earth causing corruption and army of angels were sent who defeated them and cast them to the island (as mentioned above)

But now the important thing Adam (as) creation

Abi Musa al Sha'arai narrated that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said, "Allah created Adam from a handful of dust taken from different lands, so the children of Adam have been created according to the composition of the land. Therefore from mankind we have white, red, black and yellow ones; we have good and evil, ease and sorrow, and what comes in between them." (Sahih Bukhari).

You can find reference to how human were created in quran and sunnah im just going to post quick summary from some of the notes i have

In the beginning it was dirt. Then this dirt was mixed with the basis of every living being, water. It became mud when mixed with water. Then it was left for a while, so therefore became sticky clay. Then that was left for a longer while. The smell of it changed and became darker, becoming black smooth and smelly clay. That material was taken and Allah created the form of Adam. That body was left to dry, it turned into clay like pottery. If dry clay is knocked, it makes a ringing sound, i.e. sounding clay. And i know there is time period mentioned when it was just dry pottery ( i think the arabic term is sanseel/sansal, its called sounding clay, so like a hollow clay thing which makes noise). And then Allah (swt) blew soul into Adam (a.s) which brought him to life
i just want to add this beautiful thing sorry i dont have exact reference

According to Abu Hurayra, the Messenger said When Allah created Adam and breathed into him the spirit, Adam sneezed and said 'Praise be to Allah!', and he praised Him with His permission.
His lord replied: 'May Allah have mercy on you, O Adam'

Then i think you knw the rest and ill continue from Adam (a.s) and hawa (a.s) having children, so as i mentioned above hawa (a.s) gave birth in twins, and the shariah (law) at that time was, children from the same birth couldn't marry but from different birth could, and if you read the habeel and qabeel story (detailed one) then u will realize Habeel was suppose to marry qabeel sister and vice versa but qabeel felt jealousy and that caused the argument. and i think u know the rest inshAllah

well after the murder qabeel went to different area of land where his progeny started to grow and Adam (a.s) and hawa (a.s) had more childrens. over time people spread out and populated the land and human started to grow.
ALso i like to point out Adam (a.s) lived for 960 years, so you can imagine the life span was long then, also, we know the offspring of Adam (a.s) were populating the earth too so you can imagine how quickly the population would have grown.

Ok that must be alot of reading for you inshAllah May Allah (swt) forgive me if something i said was incorrect and i hope if not all it does answer some of your questions and put ur mind somewhat at ease InshAllah taa'la
:wasalam:
 

Abu Talib

Feeling low
:salam2:

Asalam Alaikum?
I have no doubt whatsoever, but these kind a things come to mind. Whem Adam and Eve bore children, I assume their children got married among themselves. Isn’t marrying between brothers and sisters haram in the Quran?
Can you recommend a good book(s) on Islamic Law covering every and each aspect of Life? Thank you very much for the generous work for the sake of Allah.
Thanks.

wa alaikum us-salaam wa-rahmat ullaahi wa-barakaatuh

All Praise be to Allaah.

As long as you are confident in your heart about your belief, no such insinuations will hurt you (inshaa' Allaah). If a doubt strikes a believer or something appears to him as a conflict between different textual sources of Shari'ah, he must believe that indeed for such doubts there are true answers and for such apparent conflicts there are solutions even if he doesn’t know it or is unable to find the right answer himself. However, a person should not collect all the doubts in his heart and worry about the complexities and leave aside the learning of useful knowledge. This is because it is incumbent upon a Muslim to learn and know things which have been clearly described (Muhkamaat) in Shari'ah so that he may be able to repel the doubts.

Regarding the question you have asked, it is a known fact that legislation differs from one Shari'ah to another, while the principles and beliefs remain the same in all of them. So, making of portraits was allowed in the Shari'ah of Sulayman (peace be upon him) but is prohibited in our Shari'ah. Similarly, making prostration of salutation was permitted in the Shari'ah of Yusuf (peace be upon him) but is illegal in ours. Also, war booty was prohibited for nations before us but it is completely legal for us. The Qiblah of people before us used to be towards Bayt Al-Maqdis, but for us it is towards Ka'bah. In a similar way, marriage between brothers and sisters was permitted in the Shari'ah of Adam (peace be upon him) as opposed to those that came afterwards. The following is a clarification on the issue by Haafidh Ibn Katheer, who said:

Allaah allowed Adam (peace be upon him) to marry his daughters to his sons for necessity. Every couple used to have a boy and a girl. Hence, he married the girl of one couple to the boy of another. This is said by Suddi regarding what has been narrated by Abu Maalik and Abu Salih, from Ibn ‘Abbas, by Murrah from Ibn Mas‘ood and by other companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) that Adam did not have (in his grandchildren) a baby boy unless it was accompanied by a girl, so he married the male of a couple to the female of another, and the female of a couple to the male of another

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hayat84

I'm not what you believe
this was helpful for me,however,what can I answer to a kafar billah who asks me<"how can be we all sons of Adam if I reject any belief?>.
a dear person of my family but too much far from my goal,substains that Adam was sent from the space to the earth while on the earth there were already other human beings.is this foolishness?
 

kashif_nazeer

~~~Alhamdulillah~~~
this was helpful for me,however,what can I answer to a kafar billah who asks me<"how can be we all sons of Adam if I reject any belief?>.
a dear person of my family but too much far from my goal,substains that Adam was sent from the space to the earth while on the earth there were already other human beings.is this foolishness?

:salam2:

Sister,if he says that,tell him,how can he be sure that he is his father's son if he rejects any belief.His being children of a father is not dependent on his belief or disbelief,he can either accept or reject it,it's upto him.That will not change the fact that he is a son of his father.

About second question sister,ask them to produce their proof if they are truthful,Allah clearly says in Suarah Al Baqarah 31st verse that he will establish on Earth a khalifah.If they have a proof to say otherwise,burden of proof lies on them.
 

hayat84

I'm not what you believe
these proof are only in this person's head.it's a convinction that this person made as own by listening here and there,concluding that one day we all go to a place of the space and that the hell and paradise are an invention of humans to make other submit to human's power:astag:
 

Aziboy

Banned
these proof are only in this person's head.it's a convinction that this person made as own by listening here and there,concluding that one day we all go to a place of the space and that the hell and paradise are an invention of humans to make other submit to human's power:astag:

Assalam Alaykum,

See what an enormous efforts my brother kashif_nazeer and shaheerpak are putting here, they are answering to the best.

If that family person of yours is an atheist or whatever, we only have to ask him the questions rather than answering his/her foolish convictions.

I would further suggest you to consult the local Imam or Scholar of Qur'an and Sunnah, talk with him and express your concern, then take your family person directly to him.

Is all that comes in my mind to suggest you. Because your family person is confusing you as well and this is a bad sign as satan could whisper his crap in any form.

So if you find our suggestions relavant then without wasting much of your time, act upon it.

Last but not the least, ask for ALLAH's [swt] help and indeed he is the best of Helper.

Jazak Allahu Khair
 

hayat84

I'm not what you believe
you're right brother,I've said many times A'udhu billahi min as shaytani rrajim,I still hope this person will open its eyes and understand that I'm not lieing,but making my best to spread what I've learnt.I can't be far from this person,'cause it's really dear for me.but we always have discussion about this matter and I'm finishing to get involved in what I don't want.I'll send my husband to the Fqy of Salè,he maybe gives some advices to how to behave.I'm really sorry for the confusion I put here,but I don't know many aknowledged people.thank you for your concern:wasalam:
 

Ershad

Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikkum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

I recently came across a reply by The Permanent Committee for Scholarly Research and Ifta' :

Q 1: We studied something about the theory of Evolution and all that relates to creation as this forms a part of our educational curriculum. The more I read on this subject, the more I become convinced that Allah is the Only One Who created this universe and all that it contains. Nevertheless, I was greatly astonished to come across a book written by a Muslim author approving the theory of Evolution and supporting it by the Qur'an! Moreover, one of my Muslim teachers asked me: "Since Islam forbids a man to marry to his sister; how could brothers and sisters amongst the offspring of Adam and Eve get married to each other?

A: The theory of Evolution which is renowned as the theory of Darwin contradicts the Qur'an, Sunnah (whatever is reported from the Prophet), and Ijma` (consensus of scholars). There are thus proofs from the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah stating that Allah (Exalted be He) created Adam from soil then created Eve from Adam.
Regarding the fact that Adam (peace be upon him) married his sons to his daughters, this is something that he did according to the law that Allah commanded him to follow which we do not have any right to argue about. Anyway, as far as the Shari`ah (Islamic law) that was sent to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is concerned; Allah makes it Haram (prohibited) for a man to marry his sister along with other well-established categories of women that a man is not allowed to marry. Besides, since Allah
(Part No. 1; Page No. 16)
(Glorified and Exalted be He) says, To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way[Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:48] While mentioning the laws of Tawrah (Torah), Injil (Gospel), and Qur'an; the same applies to Adam (peace be upon him) i.e. he had a specific law that he followed.
May Allah grant us success. May peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family, and Companions.

The Permanent Committee for Scholarly Research and Ifta'

Source:http://www.alifta.com/Fatawa/FatawaChapters.aspx?View=Page&PageID=10460&PageNo=1&BookID=7

Baarakallahu feekum!
 

hayat84

I'm not what you believe
so we finally are in someway brothers and sisters?WHITE/BLACK/YELLOW/red ones we all are a sort of cousins of 100 or more degree?pardon me,but I can't still understand:wasalam:
 
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