I have difficultly understanding this. Would that not be murder?
I was thinking the same, was gonna get to that after the brother's reply. : )
yes, i understand the prayer question, but what about the suicide question?
he is not killed by kafirs, but kafirs tell him to kill himself & the force it to do it by bullying. shall it be considered suicide or murder?
When I think of force, I think that some really physical aspects must've been involved.
Like in the case the brother mentioned, forcing someone to commit "suicide" would be to not only hand a gun over to this person but to also assist him in pulling the trigger. That's force to me, and that's obviously "murder", not suicide as it wasn't done by the person but rather the murderer who put his hand over his, (i.e., pressed down on top of his finger) in order to make him pull the trigger.
But this "suicide" could also been seen in a different light I think. A person, especially one who has knowledge of Allaah and what He has made Halaal and Haraam for us, could never be persuaded to kill himself. If he's simply given a gun and told to shoot himself (without getting any assistance), he would not shoot himself out of fear of being tortured more by the prison guards or whomever - he knows he has Allaah by his side and that whatever was meant to befall him will not miss him and that no matter how severe he's being tortured, the punishment in the hereafter is much worse. So if he decided to end his life because of this, then really, it's not out of force but rather out of wanting that "relief" (I don't know how death can be seen as relief when you don't even have the slightest idea of where you'll end up on Yawm al-qiyaamah, but...) and that's definitely "suicide" by will and not
force.
Does this make sense?