Bones of "Salehs" she camle

[Ahy_herc]

Esselamu aljekum

This Ramadan I read in the newspapers about how some Scientists had found remains of an 100,000 years old gigant camel in Damscus, Syria.

And I was immediately thinking of the she camel mentioned in the Holy Quran. I dont know if its the she camle of the Quran but there are some very
similaritys for example the scientists say that the camle they found was killed by humans when she tried to drink water between between two mountain ranges that had a number of springs.

Wanted just to shere this info.







The Story of Saleh, as told by Qur'anic verses

"O my people! This she camel of Allah is a sign to you, leave her to feed on Allah's earth, and touch her not with evil lest a near torment will seize you." (11:64 Quran)


According to Islamic tradition, Saleh was born nine generations after Nuh (Noah) and the flood. He lived in an area in between Palestine and the Hijaz, regarded by many to be where the ancient city of Petra is, currently in Jordan, due to descriptions of Saleh's people (the Thamud) living in stone houses carved in mountains. His people worshipped idols made from stone. Saleh tried to teach his people not to worship idols and to embrace Tawhid, but they refused. They asked Saleh for a miracle so Allah (God) created a she camel, which miraculously came out of a big rock. God ordered the people to milk the camel and feed on it but the people killed it, so God ordered Saleh to leave his people and he complied. This was followed by a massive earthquake which destroyed his former people.



Anyhow heres the articel that i read:










"The camel's shoulders stood three metres high and it was around four metres tall; as big as a giraffe or an elephant. Nobody knew that such a species had existed," he said.


It may even have been killed by humans, who were living at the once water-rich site during the same period.

 

[Ahy_herc]

Couldent post the bbc link so here are 3 articels that i read:

Giant camel fossil found in Syria

Archaeologists have discovered the 100,000-year-old fossilised remains of a previously unknown giant camel species in Syria.

The bones of the dromedary were unearthed by a Swiss-Syrian team of researchers near the village of El Kowm in the central part of the country.

The animal is thought to have been double the size of a modern-day camel.

It may even have been killed by humans, who were living at the once water-rich site during the same period.

Jean-Marie Le Tensorer of the University of Basel commented: "It was not known that the dromedary was present in the Middle East more than 10,000 years ago.

"The camel's shoulders stood three metres high and it was around four metres tall; as big as a giraffe or an elephant. Nobody knew that such a species had existed," he said.

Kingsize camels

Professor Le Tensorer, who has been excavating at the desert site in Kowm since 1999, said the first large bones were found some years ago but were only confirmed as belonging to a camel after more bones from several parts of the same animal were recently discovered.

Between 2005 and 2006, more than 40 bone fragments of giant camels were found by the team.

The big species has been found as far back as 150,000 years ago. But fossils from other species of camel have been unearthed at the site dating to one million years ago.

Human remains from the same period as the giant camel have also been discovered at the site. The radius (forearm) and tooth have been taken to Switzerland, where they are undergoing anthropological analysis.

"The bone is that of a Homo sapiens, or modern man, but the tooth is extremely archaic, similar to that of a Neanderthal. We don't know yet what it is exactly. Do we have a very old Homo sapiens or a Neanderthal?" said Professor Le Tensorer.

"We expect to find more bones that would help determine what kind of man it was."

El Kowm, the site where the remains were discovered along with flint and stone weapons, is a 20km-wide (14 miles) gap between two mountain ranges with natural springs.


source: bbc


Scientists find more bones of big camels

DAMASCUS, Syria - Hunters stalked giant camels as tall as some modern-day elephants in the Syrian desert tens of thousands of years ago and archaeologists behind the find are wondering where the camels came from and what caused them to die off.

The enormous beasts existed about 100,000 years ago and more of the bones, first discovered last year, have been found this year in the sands about 150 miles north of the capital, Damascus.

The animal, branded the "Syrian Camel" by its Swiss and Syrian discoverers, stood between three and four yards high — about twice the size of latter-day camels and the height at the shoulder of many African elephants.

"The camel is a dromedary but extremely big and extremely tall — about double the size of a modern day camel," said Jean-Marie Le Tensorer, who led the Swiss side of the team.

The camels did not appear to have been bred by humans as beasts of burden, the scientists said, raising questions about its provenance — and disappearance.

"What we want to know now is: where did it come from, and why did it disappear never to be seen again? Was it migrating from Asia to Africa?" said the team's Syrian leader, Heba al-Sakhel.

Le Tensorer said humanoid bones were discovered at a nearby site and stone tools used by early humans were found with the camel's bones, which are thought to be up to 100,000 years old.

"The bones — a fragment of an arm and a tooth — are, of course, of the hunter of the giant camel. He probably stalked his prey to a water spring where he came to drink," said Le Tensorer.

"Ordinary camels appeared in the (Middle East) region some 6,000-7,000 years ago and, for the first time, we have a wild form and very, very old," he said.



Remains of Giant Camel Discovered in Syria

DAMASCUS (Oct. 6) - Swiss researchers have discovered the 100,000-year-old remains of a previously unknown giant camel species in central Syria.


This is a big discovery, a revolution in science," Professor Jean-Marie Le Tensorer of the University of Basel told Reuters. "It was not known that the dromedary was present in the Middle East more than 10,000 years ago."

"Can you imagine? The camel's shoulders stood three metres (yards) high and it was around four metres tall, as big as a giraffe or an elephant. Nobody knew that such a species had existed."

Tensorer, who has been excavating at the desert site in Kowm since 1999, said the first large bones were found some years ago but were only confirmed as belonging to a camel after more bones from several parts of the same animal were recently discovered.

"We found the first traces of a big animal in 2003, but we were not sure it was a giant camel," he said.

A group of humans apparently killed the camel while it was drinking from a spring, said Tensorer, adding that 100,000-year-old human remains were discovered nearby at the once water-rich site in the desert steppe.

The human bones were transported to Switzerland, where they underwent anthropological analysis.

Neanderthal or Homo Sapiens?


The bone is that of a homo sapiens, or modern man, but the tooth is extremely archaic, similar to that of a Neanderthal. We don't know yet what it is exactly. Do we have a very old homo sapiens or a Neanderthal?" said Tensorer.

"We expect to find more bones that would help determine what kind of man it was."

Man has been present in what is now modern Syria for 1.5 million years. The area played a key role in the migration of the first human beings toward Asia and Europe, he said.

Kowm, the site where the remains were discovered along with flint and stone weapons, is a 14-mile wide gap between two mountain ranges that had a number of springs.

The site, which was first surveyed in the 1960s and where evidence of a 1 million-year-old human settlement has been found, is considered a "reference for early prehistory in the Near East," Basel University said in a recent research paper.

It attracted migrating herds, such as antelope, and man. Archaeological layers covering a period of several hundreds of thousands of years were discovered, which is unusual for such an open site, he said.

"It was a savannah more or less," Tensorer said. "The camels then ate probably what they eat today."

 

[Ahy_herc]

Remains of Giant Camel Discovered in Syria

DAMASCUS (Oct. 6) - Swiss researchers have discovered the 100,000-year-old remains of a previously unknown giant camel species in central Syria.


This is a big discovery, a revolution in science," Professor Jean-Marie Le Tensorer of the University of Basel told Reuters. "It was not known that the dromedary was present in the Middle East more than 10,000 years ago."

"Can you imagine? The camel's shoulders stood three metres (yards) high and it was around four metres tall, as big as a giraffe or an elephant. Nobody knew that such a species had existed."

Tensorer, who has been excavating at the desert site in Kowm since 1999, said the first large bones were found some years ago but were only confirmed as belonging to a camel after more bones from several parts of the same animal were recently discovered.

"We found the first traces of a big animal in 2003, but we were not sure it was a giant camel," he said.

A group of humans apparently killed the camel while it was drinking from a spring, said Tensorer, adding that 100,000-year-old human remains were discovered nearby at the once water-rich site in the desert steppe.

The human bones were transported to Switzerland, where they underwent anthropological analysis.

Neanderthal or Homo Sapiens?


The bone is that of a homo sapiens, or modern man, but the tooth is extremely archaic, similar to that of a Neanderthal. We don't know yet what it is exactly. Do we have a very old homo sapiens or a Neanderthal?" said Tensorer.

"We expect to find more bones that would help determine what kind of man it was."

Man has been present in what is now modern Syria for 1.5 million years. The area played a key role in the migration of the first human beings toward Asia and Europe, he said.

Kowm, the site where the remains were discovered along with flint and stone weapons, is a 14-mile wide gap between two mountain ranges that had a number of springs.

The site, which was first surveyed in the 1960s and where evidence of a 1 million-year-old human settlement has been found, is considered a "reference for early prehistory in the Near East," Basel University said in a recent research paper.

It attracted migrating herds, such as antelope, and man. Archaeological layers covering a period of several hundreds of thousands of years were discovered, which is unusual for such an open site, he said.

"It was a savannah more or less," Tensorer said. "The camels then ate probably what they eat today."


Scientists find more bones of big camels

DAMASCUS, Syria - Hunters stalked giant camels as tall as some modern-day elephants in the Syrian desert tens of thousands of years ago and archaeologists behind the find are wondering where the camels came from and what caused them to die off.

The enormous beasts existed about 100,000 years ago and more of the bones, first discovered last year, have been found this year in the sands about 150 miles north of the capital, Damascus.

The animal, branded the "Syrian Camel" by its Swiss and Syrian discoverers, stood between three and four yards high — about twice the size of latter-day camels and the height at the shoulder of many African elephants.

"The camel is a dromedary but extremely big and extremely tall — about double the size of a modern day camel," said Jean-Marie Le Tensorer, who led the Swiss side of the team.

The camels did not appear to have been bred by humans as beasts of burden, the scientists said, raising questions about its provenance — and disappearance.

"What we want to know now is: where did it come from, and why did it disappear never to be seen again? Was it migrating from Asia to Africa?" said the team's Syrian leader, Heba al-Sakhel.

Le Tensorer said humanoid bones were discovered at a nearby site and stone tools used by early humans were found with the camel's bones, which are thought to be up to 100,000 years old.

"The bones — a fragment of an arm and a tooth — are, of course, of the hunter of the giant camel. He probably stalked his prey to a water spring where he came to drink," said Le Tensorer.

"Ordinary camels appeared in the (Middle East) region some 6,000-7,000 years ago and, for the first time, we have a wild form and very, very old," he said.

 

[thefighter]

Ma Sha Allah,
It's so interesting & I think we, as Muslims, should make some kind of Islamic tourism in which we benefit from our heritage & show it to the world.

 

[OnlyOne]

Alhumdulillah! I can't say that i'm very surprised, but that is just amazing!

 

[Abdul Hasib]

"This rock holds 14 camel-hoof-shaped prints supposed to have been left by the she-camel of Salih, and two marks apparently made by Salih's rod."

 

[yafash]

lets be careful

:salam2: ,
let us be careful as we take in this info, it is possible that in some years we find out that the camel bones were a hoax. this should not bring into out heart any doubt about the story of Saleh and Allah's she camel.
besides the Prophet SAW forbade us from going into the dwellings of those whom allah destroy, the warnings of the Prophet is sufficient.
:salam2:

 

[Abdul Hasib]

IT's interesting brother Yafash. And remember the time when the NAbis were sent. About 1057 yrs after Hazrat Adam (A), Nuh (A) was sent, and he lived over nine hundred years, Hazrat Esa (A) came 600 yrs before Hzrat Muhammad (SAW).