Our faiths are similar because we follow the Prophets and Messengers of the One True God and they all came with the same message, that is that there is no god but God the One. In Arabic He is known as Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala (Glory to Him in the Highest). I don't make any mistakes because I don't think that His plan is disjointed in any way. From the very beginning when Adam and Eve (Alayhi Salaatul Asalaam) were sent to Earth they were given instructions to give to their progeny instructing them to worship one God and not to associate partners with Him.
hello Abu Loren, firstly let me say that the differences we have in our beliefs are just that. I am not saying your belief is wrong and mine right, that would be pure arrogance on my part. I simply want to put across why my beliefs make sense to ME, and Islam does not...make sense to me that is. Who knows one day Our God might decide to change my path in life and guide me elsewhere..for there are only two certainties in this life...we are born and we die what we have in between is down to us as individuals I am happy to be a pawn in Our Gods game of life and will be happy where he places me.
but I digress...on to your post.
You believe Our God created Adam and Eve for the sole purpose to worship him and not to associate partners to him? And that is all? Do you not think this at all strange...God created Adam and Eve blessed them with free will (if this were not so they would never have fallen from grace also their would be no need to put restrictions upon them...as they would only operate by Gods will alone) therefore also, by this scenario there would be no need to stipulate the proviso of not associating partners to God. I believe initially Adam and Eve as the first parents were made in Our Gods image, for our God to show his love, they were meant to be the first loving parents of the whole of mankind, as such the worship and obedience to the father (Our God) would be a given. However, as both Bible and Quran tell us these two did not live up to Our Gods holy standard and fell into sin, yet knowing this Our God still gave then free will...amazing.. But I think maybe love and worship given from love and gratefulness is maybe worth more than an obligatory love.
The mistake you make is that because Christianity is corrupted by the Trinity and Islam steadfastly keep to true monotheism you think that Islam is wrong and you are right. Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Sallam) brought the same message as Masih Isa (Alayhi Salaam). I challenge you to produce proof from either the Old Testament or the New that any Messenger or Prophet taught the Trinity.
Obviously here I cannot agree about corruption with the trinity..
and I already say time and time again..I do not say I am right and Islam wrong..I only say what I believe based on what I understand.
of course there is no mention of the word "Trinity" in the Holy Bible which you would know if you have ever read it.
however, this does not mean that the concept of a triune nature ascribed to Our God does not exist in the Bible...to the contrary there are many..
The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are therefore, we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different Persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind based on our human understanding. However, this does not mean the Trinity is not true or that it is not based on the teachings of the Bible. I understand Our God to be greater than all we can ever hope to be and so have no problem believing that there are many things beyond our understanding attributed to Our God.
The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity:
1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).
2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.
In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.
3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.
4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14.
6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.
The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.
The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Now I do not for one minute expect you to accept this concept, but for me.. It does make sense..within the bounds of my human mind.
The Old and New Testaments are 'brought together' by association. This was mainly done by Paul. Then you have the famous verse from Isaiah.
Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Many Christians believe that this verse is predicting the crucifixion of Jesus (Alayhi Salaam). There are no indications that this is so but only by association that one can say that this verse is talking about Jesus (Alayhi Salaam).
Muslims will always believe as they do about Paul..no point elaborating on that any further I feel. On Isaiah 53:5... Who do you think it referred to? If this were the only reference pertaining to Yeshua in the Old Testament I could understand, but there are a great many more.
Genesis 3:15
12:3
49:10 ........................The Promise
Exodus 12:40-50 .........................The Passover Lamb
Numbers 24:17...........The Scepter
Deuteronomy 18:17-19.....The ComingProphet
Job 19:25-27..........The Resurrection
Psalms:
2:1-12 .........................The New World Order to be Destroyed
8:1-9 ................................Brought low for the suffering of death
16:7-11...................Will not see decay
22:1-31 ................................The Crucifixion Fortold (1,000 B.C.)
45:1-9 .......................The King and his Bride
110:1-7 ................................The Coming Priest
Proverbs 30:4 ..................The Son
Isaiah:
7:14 ...................To be Born of a Virgin
9:6-7 ..........................The Man who is God
11:1-5 .........................The Righteous Judge
42:1-9..........................The Judge of the Nations
49:5-7 .........................The Light of the Gentiles
52:13-15 ..................The Suffering Servant
53:1-12 ....................................The Lamb of God...Raised from the Dead
Jeremiah31:31-34 ......The New Covenant
Daniel:
7:13-14........................His Kingdom is Forever
9:26................................He is to be "cut off" (initially)
Amos 8:9-10.................. Sun to go down at Noon
Micah 5:2 ...........................The Christ to be born in Bethlehem
Zechariah:
9:9 ......The King to enter Jerusalem riding a donkey (First Coming)
11:10-13 ......He is to be sold for 30 pieces of silver
12:9-10 .......................The Repentance of the Jews (Second Coming)
14:1-9 ...........................The Second Coming
Malachi 3:1-5.....................The Messenger prepares the way
I don't know what you are trying to get across here.
I was trying to say, I believe Prophet Mohammed was chosen by Yahweh as an Arab, to bring the Pagans and polytheists (of that time) in Arabia to the One true God.
Yes I think it's best to avoid this because it is a matter of faith, we can talk all year about how uncorrupted and pure the Noble Qur'an is and NO Christian will accept it because it is an impossible scenario that they do not like facing.
What can be said of the Quran can also be said of the Holy BIble, because they are both from God and both bear the marks of man. but agreed best to avoid...or be like a roundabout for evermore ..ya.
Many Christians believe that the word 'Muslim' was invented by Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam). When I tell them that ALL the Prophets of god were Muslims they want to shoot me. If you know that Aramaic word for a person who has submitted or surrendered to God is then that's what they were. So in Arabic, we would say that Prophets Nuh, Ibrahim, Musa ,Yaqub, Yusuf, Yunus Dawud, Suleiman, Yahya, Isa etc (Alayhi Salatal Asalaam) were all Muslims. They simply surrendered to the Will of God.
No matter how you explain the above to them they scratch their heads as if it is rocket science.
Now I like this.. Because again we have what's in a name? In this instance the name Muslim and what it defines. For sure no where in the Jewish scriptures or the Gospels is the word found, not surprising at I think it is of Arabic origin. But if all who submit to One God, Our God...then by definition we are all Muslims.. Not Jew.. Or Christian... One thing divides us.. That is the belief in Mohammed as being the final Prophet. If it is thus, and this is the one dividing point, then the term Muslim can only be attributed to those who follow Prophet Mohammed as well as the One true God.. our God. As this is what many non Muslims see as the case..then I'm not surprised they scratch their heads in confusion..many do not see the Arabic words in their scriptures so it will seem strange for them.. But really Abu Loren, I'm sure they would not wish to shoot you..
Peace and blessings. C