Confused

Abdul-Raheem

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I feel very confused about the 'the different sects' of Islam. Forgive my ignorance but I was only aware of Sunni and Shi'te muslims. After reading a previous thread on Salafism, I am a little confused as to where I stand as a Sunni Muslim. Can someone enlighten me further on this subject.
 

OmarTheFrench

Junior Member
There are sects but when you say for example that the Wahhabi is a sect some people say "NO!!!!we follow the Sunna and the Quran" and its the same with all sects.

Allah knows best.
 

samiha

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Staff member
Brother, nothing personal, but you are repeatedly trying to bring down the people who you call the 'Wahabi's' why?

They don't support terrorism, and if the Wahabi sect as you call it, are the ones that strictly follow the Sunnah and Quran, what is wrong with it??

Plz.... don't make divisions, we should united as the the UMMAH OF MUHAMMAD (sallallahu alayhi wassalam)
 
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TearfulEyes

Guest
Dear Confused Brother.

You have stated your problem and said that you are confused. We should not confuse you more. If you are new to Islam, and the reason for coming to Islam is that you want salvation from the Hell fire and enter Paradise. It is very easy. You just keep the 6 pillars of Islam:-

Shahada (which you already uttered and believed in it)
Prayers - 5 times a day
Pay Zakat (religious tax)
Fasting of the month of Ramadan
Hajj, the lifetime journey to Makkah

If you do that, you will enter Paradise. Forget about all these sects and their beliefs and concentrate more on the Prophet's (PBUH) sect, which is the 5 pillars I mentioned here.

Peace Be Upon You All.
 

samiha

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Staff member
I feel that theory is a bit flawed. Hijab isn't in the pillars, but it is obligatory. Therefore, we must also do what is in the Quraan and Sunnah to be good Muslims as well.

Nobody denys this, but when it comes to the interpretation of these that people get confused.
 

OmarTheFrench

Junior Member
Brother, nothing personal, but you are repeatedly trying to bring down the people who you call the 'Wahabi's' why?

They don't support terrorism, and if the Wahabi sect as you call it, are the ones that strictly follow the Sunnah and Quran, what is wrong with it??

Plz.... don't make divisions, we should united as the the UMMAH OF MUHAMMAD (sallallahu alayhi wassalam)

The problem with them sister its that in all thing they see bid'ah(like poems to god,ect) and when you don't follow them exactly your are mislaid.

I want the unity of the Ummah too:arabi1:
 

OmarTheFrench

Junior Member
essential

The 5 pillars +

The Prophet sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam said, “Whoever testifies that there is no God but Allaah alone and He has no partner, that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger; that ‘Eesa is His slave and Messenger, as well as His word and Spirit which He sent down to Maryam; and that Paradise is a reality and Hell is real, Allaah will admit him to Paradise regardless of his deeds.” (Bukhaari & Muslim)
 

masihuddin

Junior Member
Among the sunni there are four mazahib ( Hanafi,Shafai.Hanbali and Malaki )with superficial differances in their codes or Fiqh They all profess to follow the quran and sunnah In the context of the minor differances one Islamic scholar made a beautiful observation that Allah (S.W.T.)liked each and every act of his beloved ptophet so much that He made the prophets practices to be followed till the end of time Some sunni stand with folded arms in differant styles during prayer while the malaki stand with their hands down like the shite muslims All of them are correct One has to follow one of the four Fiqhs
We should not forget that whether sunni or shia we all have one God ,one prophet and one book We might have developed differances on historical incidents but offer salat five times a day ,pay the zakat ,fast in Ramdhan and go for HAJ (pligimage ) which are the five pillars of our faith We should all stand united as the ummah of Muhammad S.A.S and our enemies are trying to take advantage of our differances and disunity
 

samiha

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Staff member
Yes, but a common thing that the Imams of all 4 mathadab's had was that they all professed that, 'If you find something I said or do to be contradictory to sunnah, then leave what I say for the sunnah'

Since knowledge is much more available these days, we are accessable to more Sunnahs than before, where you had to travel to learn of Sunnahs from knowledgable people. Therefore, yes it's good to follow a madthab, but remember, if there is stronger evidence of Sunnah, then the Imams all said to follow the Sunnah.

It seems as though OmarTheFrench and I have different views regarding bidah. And I will not create dispute trying to say differently, but I do trust the writings of so called 'Wahabi' scholars, and I feel that what they say they base off only the Quran and Sunnah, and that what they say is correct.

Allah knows best, and He is the One who will Judge our Intensions.
 

Mabsoot

Amir
Staff member
Salafiyyah is Not a Sect

Assalamu Alaykum,

Firstly, Salafiyyah is not a Sect. It is an ascription or a methedology. If you base your Islam purely on the Quran and the Hadith, then you already are a Muslim who is on the Salafi dawah (call). Let me explain:

Islam is very simple,

We follow the Quran and the Sunnah with the understanding of the first three generations, this is in accordance to what Allah and his Prophet :saw: taught us.

the Prophet :saw: Said:

"Hold on to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Rightly Guided Caliphs after me. Hold on to it firmly. And beware of heretical innovations (Bid'ah) because each heretical innovation (Bid'ah) is a falsehood and each false- hood is a deviation from the right path." (Reported by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal Abu Dawud, at-Tirmidhi who said it is a good and sound hadith, and Ibn Majah)



The Prophet :saw: also said:

"The example of the believers in their affection and compassion and benevolence is like the body; If one part of it becomes ill the whole body comes to its aid with fever and
sleeplessness." (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim)

"A group of my 'Ummah will continue to follow the truth prominently. Whoever betrays them or opposes them can never harm them to the Day of Judgment." (al-Bukhari and Muslim)



We Must Stick to the Quran and Sunnah with understanding of the pious predecessors.


This has been emphasised many times in the Hadith:

The Messenger of Allaah said: "I counsel you to have Taqwaa of Allaah and to hear and obey, even if an Abyssinian slave were to command you. For, verily, whoever amongst you lives (to grown old), he will see many differences. So stick to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided khaleefahs. Cling tightly onto it and hold onto it with your molar teeth. And beware of newly invented matters. For, indeed, every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is a thing that leads astray, and everything that leads astray is in the Hellfire." [Abu Dawood ]

The Salaf were the best of people:

The Prophet :saw: said:
"The best of people are my generation, then the second, then the third, then there will come a people, having no good in them." [[related by Ibn Mas'ood]

We must call ourselves Muslims,

Allah says in the Quran:

And strive hard in Allâh's Cause as you ought to strive (with sincerity and with all your efforts that His Name should be superior). He has chosen you (to convey His Message of Islâmic Monotheism to mankind by inviting them to His religion, Islâm), and has not laid upon you in religion any hardship, it is the religion of your father Ibrahim (Abraham) (Islâmic Monotheism). It is He (Allâh) Who has named you Muslims both before and in this (the Qur'ân), that the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) may be a witness over you and you be witnesses over mankind! So perform As­Salât (Iqamat-as-Salât), give Zakât and hold fast to Allâh [i.e. have confidence in Allâh, and depend upon Him in all your affairs] He is your Maula (Patron, Lord, etc.), what an Excellent Maula (Patron, Lord, etc.) and what an Excellent Helper! [Surah Al-Imrân 3:78]

We Are Sunni, meaning people of the Sunnah. But we can also say that we are upon the manhaj or methedology of the salaf. Salaf simply means the pious predecessors.

This can further bring distinction to make sure people understand that we are not some Sufi or person who inclines to modernism or extremism, but someone who acknowledges the Islam of the Quran and sunnah and that of the Salaf.

At the time of the Prophet :saw: the truth was apparent. The Prophet :saw: was alive and hence the Muslims only needed to call themselves Muslims.

This name is true today of course and shall be forever. And it is the one we use.

There is nothing wrong with a person saying that they are upon way of the Salaf. Likewise a person can say he is an Atharee, meaning he belongs to the people who like the athaar of hadeeth. Or Ahlul Hadith, the people of Hadeeth. It is the same thing.

Imaam adh-Dhahabee (d.748H rahimahullaah) - said: "It is authentically related from ad-Daaraqutnee that he said: There is nothing more despised by me than 'irnul-kalaam (innovated speech and rhetorics). I say: No person should ever enter into 'ilmul-kalaam, nor argumentation. Rather, he should be a follower of the Salaf." [Siyar 16/457]

Abu Haneefah (d. 150H rahimahullaah) said: "Adhere to the athar (narration) and the tareeqah (way/following) of the Salaf (Pious Predecessors) and beware of newly invented matters for all of it is innovation" [Reported by As-Suyootee in Sawn al Mantaq wal-Kalaam p.32]

Ibn Taymiyyah (d.728H rahimahullaah) says: "There is no blame on the one who manifests/proclaims the way (madhdhab) of the Salaf, who attaches himself to it and refers to it. Rather, it is obligatory to accept that from him by unanimous agreement (Ittifaaq), because the way (madhdhab) of the Salaf is nothing but the Truth (Haqq)." [From Majmoo al-Fataawaa, 4:149.]

The salaf are those who have gone before us in the past.

Our Madhab or way is that of the Salaf. It is not permissible for anyone to call himself a person of the Salaf. We aspire to be among them. Nor is it a Sect.

A person can not say he is from the Salaf or that he is rightly guided. Only Allah knows this. We are weary of any arrogance and must always remain humble. "Everyone of the tribe of Adam sins. And the best of the sinners are the ones who (constantly) make repentance." Surat-ul-Ana'aam [3:153].

We try to live Islam just as the Prophet:saw: and his companions did. So we value the Quran and the Authentic hadith.


As Muslims we should not be tied down to any personality, group etc, but we take that which is mentioned in the clear texts of Islam


Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymeen (Rahimahullah) warns the Muslims from forming a Salafi "Group"

By Sheikh Ibn al-'Uthaymeen (Rahimahullah)

From his [the Prophet](SAW) statement,

"Whoever lives amongst you will see much differing, so adhere to my Sunnah",

It can be learnt that if parties (ahzaab) within the ummah emerge in increasing numbers then one should not affiliate himself to a party (hizb). In the past, many groups have appeared; Khawaarij, Mu'tazilah, Jahmiyyah, Shee'ah, even Raafidah. Then there appeared, later on Ikhwanis, Salafis, Tablighis, and all those like them. Put all of them to one side and take [the path] ahead. Which is what the Prophet SAW guided to. "Adhere to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided caliphs." No doubt, it is obligatory for all Muslims to adopt the way of the salaf as their madhhab, not affiliation to a specific party (hizb) named, "The Salafis". It is obligatory for the Islamic Ummah to adopt the way of the salaf as-salih as their madhhab, not bigotry to those called "the salafis". Pay attention to the difference: There is the way of the salaf, and there is a party (hizb) called "the salafis".

What is the objective? Following the Salaf. Why? The salafi brothers are the closest sect to that which is right, no doubt, but their problem is the same as others, that some of these sects declare others as being misguided, they declare them to be innovators and as being sinners. We don't censure this, if they deserve it, but we censure handling this bid'ah in this way. It is obligatory for the leaders of these sects to get together and say, “Between us is the book of Allah, and the Sunnah of His messenger, so lets us judge by them and not according to desires, opinions and not according to personalities. Everyone makes mistakes and achieves correctness no matter what he has reached with regards to knowledge and worship. Infallibility is [only] in the religion of Islam."
In this hadeeth the Prophet SAW guided to the way in which a person secures himself. He doesn't affiliate him to any sect, only the way of the salaf as-salih, to the Sunnah of our Prophet SAW and the rightly guided caliphs.​
 

yusuf

Junior Member
Salam Alaikum

What are thoe sects anyway??

I am a suni Muslim. Is that a sect too?


salam



Why do you ppl keep on calling yourself suni shia salafi wahabi..ect
Its not Allowed to do so !
The only way Allah swt has called us Is MUSLIM and not suni shia wahabi salafi ...ect
 

stranger786

Dream of His Slavery
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Bro.Basic teaching of Islam is same as above is mentioned.

There are four school of thoughts but that some thing related to interpretation of law etc.They r not meant to belifes.So u donot have to confuse urself.There is no difference in term of faith.If any Muslim who put fingers on other muslims then i belive so it is not healthy things.

So just stick to Quran and Sunnah and do not listen to those who try to differentiate.

Umma is one and it will united insAllah.

AND TO ALL THOSE FOR GOD SAKE DONOT TRUN THIS FORUM BY POINTING FINGER TO OTHERS..LIKE PAKISTANI ARE DIFFERENT ETC.ETC.

We all belive in one God and all five pillar of Islam.

with love and respect to all.
 

A Muslim

Junior Member
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Dear my confused brothers and sisters,considering sets of so on and so on. In the Quran it says if you are asked who are you say you are of the muslims who submitt to Allah SWT's will, There is a saying in an Ahadith that on the day of judgment there will be a group of people being taken to Jahanam (hellfire) b y the angels our prophet Peace And Blessings Be Upon Him And His Family And The Shabi Radhi Allah huanhum will say why are you taking my people to Jahanam and the Angels will reply these are the very people who made sets out your ummah and our Prophet PBUH will say take these people to Jahanam they are not from my Ummah, Do you think Our the Prophet will love to say that when he has so much love for the people of this world his ummah which should be united as one, It is said by our shabi that once our prophet told an shabi to recite the Quran they stared from Surah Nisa when the the Shabi came to the part that when the Prophet will be an witness against is people he started crying.


Remember this is the very thing which took us down when Muslims were united when there was an Khalifa when muslims developed Maths Algebra Hospitals the first map when the world thought it was flat and then because of these groups we fell astray so remember this is what we should think about making groups like Sunni Wahabi Shia and so on and so arent gonna help islam prevail.Also remember because of these groups people are dying so say i am an Muslim I submitt to Allah SWT and follow our messengers advice we should come to common terms and if we think something is wrong we check it out in the Ahadith if it is strong then follow if weak the ndo not and follow what the Quran says and may Allah SWT help us become one again and also if we shall be groups then will not our Dawah go astray as wel when thay will here about these quest there gonna think whats this and go astray
indeed our religon is the truth but these sects are spleting the Ummah so remember we are one Ummah

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TearfulEyes

Guest
Brother, I refer you to post # 6 there, except for a minor correction which is; 5 pillars instead of 6... I wanted to suggest the 6 pillars of Faith, but I thought the 5 pillars of Islam will suffice.
 
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TearfulEyes

Guest
Assalamu Alaykum,

Abu Haneefah (d. 150H rahimahullaah) said: "Adhere to the athar (narration) and the tareeqah (way/following) of the Salaf (Pious Predecessors) and beware of newly invented matters for all of it is innovation" [Reported by As-Suyootee in Sawn al Mantaq wal-Kalaam p.32]

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Brother,

Thank you for your valuable input there. I point to a problem we are facing these days which what is considered 'newly invented things' by many scholars. They refer the way of the salaf as if we have to live in their time! They wish that we live as they used to live, wear as they used to wear and they consider this in the way of the Salaf. They ignore more important charachteristics and the way of thinking of the Salaf and concentrate on minor issues.
 

yafash

Junior Member
the islam the messanger brought

:salam2:
we r required to be muslims, and a true muslim is one who believes in allah and his messanger and all that he has brought and taught even though we may not have knowlegde of it yet. but when we have been shown proof that something is from the teaching of the prophet SAW we accept it regardless of who brings it.
to follow the prophet and not follow any one who is against it, regardless of who they r.
following the prophet, in all he has taught makes us muslims.
it is the ideology and not the name that makes one a muslim.
:wasalam:
 

Globalpeace

Banned
Muslim!

Asslamo Allaikum,

Alalh (SWT) has given me the title "Muslim" in the Qur'aan and those before me...

So that's what I am.

Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) & Sahaba (RA) didn't go around calling themselves anything but Muslims!

P.S: Happy to be corrected with evidence, please.
 

Izzu

Junior Member
:salam2:
as an asian poet put it:
Islam is your country and you belong to rasolli pak saw.
no more no less.
no sects, no madhab....nothing...
Just quran wa sunnah and that is it:wasalam:
 
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