Kann mir jmd diese Ayat erklaeren?

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Lisa

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Hallo liebe freunde.
ich bin als athesist aufgewachsen.dank meines freundes bin ich dazu gekommen mich mit dem islam zu beschaeftigen.ich habe angefangen,den koran zu lesen um die wahrheit heraus zu finden.allerdings erwarte ich mir vom islam das wunderbarste,gerechteste und reinste,was es gibt,zu finden.ich kann am islam bisher nichts schlechtes finden.allerdings bin ich an der 3. ayat der 4. sure etwas gestolpert.es erscheint mir als ob allah den maennern erlauben würde mit mehreren frauen zu schlafen,solange sie nur verheiratet sind.und in diesem vers scheint steht,dass der mann sich viele frauen nehmen kann und darf.bedeutet das,dass er auch mit allen schlafen kann?oder ist der sinn dieser erlaubnis vielleicht die frauen vor anderen manennern zu schützen,sodass sie nicht über sie frei herfallen können?und ist der prophet mit allen seinen frauen im bett gewesen?ich habe ein paar sachen gefunden,die besagen,er haette es getan.jedoch hab ich das gefühl,die deutschsprachigen sachen über den islam sind teilweise verfaelscht,um den islam möglicherweise als schlecht darzustellen.ist allah für monogamie oder polygamie?denn es erscheint mir als ungerecht,dass der mann,den man liebt auch das bett anderer frauen aufsucht.man sollte sich doch gegenseiteigen respekt zukommen lassen.ich denke und hoffe jedoch,dass allah damit etwas ganz anderes sagen will als wie ich es momentan verstehe.kann mir bitte jmd diese ayat erklaeren?
 

ibn azem

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Hallo Lisa

Nur damit sie sich nicht wundern warum ihre frage nicht auf den Forum bis jetzt aufgetaucht ist das, der forum ist so eingestellt das es neue Mitglieder manchmal nicht sofort ihre threads zugelassen wegen spam. Und die Moderatoren sind nicht sehr oft online in letzter Zeit. :(

Es freut mich das sie sich entschieden haben sich für den Islam zu ineressieren und die Wahrheit herauszufinden. Ich kann ihnen nur empfehlen sich mit offenen Herzen und mit geduld mit dem Qur'an zu beschäftigen.

Ganz bestimmt jede sache die Allah, der Allwissende und Allweise, uns im Qur'an oder durch der Sunna (Tradition) des Propheten (Friede und Segen auf ihn) uns gegeben, oder davon abgehalten hat, mit sicherheit steckt eine Weisheit dahinter.
Er ist Allah, unser Schöpfer, und der Schöpfer der Himmel und der Erde und all das was dazwischen ist, und Er weis am besten was wir in diesem Leben brauchen und wie es sich am besten lebt, und auch was wir brauchen, oder sonst ist das nicht Gott oder?!

Genau so mit dem Heiraten und jede andere Sache die uns angeht in diesem Leben.
Und alhamdulilah (alles Lob gehört Allah) Gott der Allwissende hat uns im Qur'an und durch Seinen letzen Propheten (d.h. seine bewahrte Tradition) jede Sache die uns angeht erklärt, in die schönste weise.

Leider habe ich hier keine antwort auf deutsch von einen Gelehrten, wenn sie english können dann hab ich eine Antwort auf die genaue frage auf english.

Wenn sie aber kein english können dann werde ich versuchen eine auf Deutsch zu finden.

The ruling on plural marriage and the wisdom behind it​

Question:

I was really into becoming a Muslim. I came to this site to find out how to become Muslim, on doing so I found out alot about the religion I never knew before, and it's kind of disturbing and almost a let down. I'm sorry I feel like that but it's true. One of the things that bother me is the polygamy thing, I would like to know where it addresses that in the Holy Qu'ran, please try to give me tips on how to live like that and remain sane?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Allaah concluded His Message to mankind with the religion of Islam, and He tells us that He will not accept any religion other than that. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers”
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]

Your backing away from the religion of Islam is considered to be a loss for you, and a loss of the happiness that awaited you, had you entered Islam. You should hasten to enter Islam, and beware of delaying, for that delay may lead to regrettable consequences.

With regard to what you mention about the reason for your backing off being the idea of plural marriage [polygamy or polygyny], we will present to you the ruling on plural marriage in Islam, and then the wisdom and noble purposes behind it.

1 – The ruling on plural marriage in Islam:

The shar’i text which permits plural marriage is:
Allaah says in His Holy Book (interpretation of the meaning):

“And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice”
[al-Nisa’ 4:3]

This is a Qur’aanic text which shows that plural marriage is allowed. According to Islamic sharee’ah, a man is permitted to marry one, two, three or four wives, in the sense that he may have this number of wives at one time. It is not permissible for him to have more than four. This was stated by the mufassireen (commentators on the Qur’aan) and fuqaha’ (jurists), and there is consensus among the Muslims on this point, with no differing opinions.

It should be noted that there are conditions attached to plural marriage:

1 – Justice or fairness.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one”
[al-Nisa’ 4:3]

This aayah is indicates that just treatment is a condition for plural marriage to be permitted. If a man is afraid that he will not be able to treat his wives justly if he marries more than one, then it is forbidden for him to marry more than one. What is meant by the justice that is required in order for a man to be permitted to have more than one wife is that he should treat his wives equally in terms of spending, clothing, spending the night with them and other material things that are under his control.

With regard to justice or fairness in terms of love, he is not held accountable for that, and that is not required of him because he has no control over that. This is what is meant by the verse:

“You will never be able to do perfect justice between wives even if it is your ardent desire”
[al-Nisa’ 4:129 – interpretation of the meaning].

2 – The ability to spend on one’s wives:

The evidence for this condition is the verse:

“And let those who find not the financial means for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allaah enriches them of His Bounty”
[al-Noor 24:33 – interpretation of the meaning]

In this verse Allaah commands those who are able to get married but cannot find the financial means, to remain chaste. One such example is not having enough money to pay the mahr (dowry) and not being able to spend on one’s wife. (al-Mufassal fi Ahkaam al-Mar’ah, part 6, p. 286).

2 – The wisdom behind permitting plural marriage

1 – Plural marriage helps to increase the numbers of the ummah (nation, Muslim community). It is known that the numbers can only be increased through marriage, and the number of offspring gained through plural marriage will be greater than that achieved through marriage to one wife.

Wise people know that increasing the number of offspring will strengthen the ummah and increase the number of workers in it, which will raise its economic standard – if the leaders run the affairs of state well and make use of its resources in a proper manner. Ignore the claims of those who say that increasing the numbers of human beings poses a danger to the earth’s resources which are insufficient, for Allaah the Most Wise Who has prescribed plural marriage has guaranteed to provide provision for His slaves and has created on earth what is more than sufficient for them. Whatever shortfall exists is due to the injustice of administrations, governments and individuals, and due to bad management. Look at China, for example, the greatest nation on earth as far as number of inhabitants is concerned, and it is regarded as one of the strongest nations in the world, and other nations would think twice before upsetting China; it is also one of the great industrialized nations. Who would dare think of attacking China, I wonder? And why?

2 – Statistics show that the number of women is greater than the number of men; if each man were to marry just one woman, this would mean that some women would be left without a husband, which would have a harmful effect on her and on society:
The harmful effect is that she would never find a husband to take care of her interests, to give her a place to live, to spend on her, to protect her from haraam desires, and to give her children to bring her joy. This may lead to deviance and going astray, except for those on whom Allaah has mercy.

With regard to the harmful effects on society, it is well known that this woman who is left without a husband may deviate from the straight path and follow the ways of promiscuity, so she may fall into the swamp of adultery and prostitution – may Allaah keep us safe and sound – which leads to the spread of immorality and the emergence of fatal diseases such as AIDS and other contagious diseases for which there is no cure. It also leads to family breakdown and the birth of children whose identity is unknown, and who do not know who their fathers are.

Those children do not find anyone to show compassion towards them or any mature man to raise them properly. When they go out into the world and find out the truth, that they are illegitimate, that is reflected in their behaviour, and they become exposed to deviance and going astray. They may even bear grudges against society, and who knows? They may become the means of their country’s destruction, leaders of deviant gangs, as is the case in many nations in the world.

3 – Men are exposed to incidents that may end their lives, for they work in dangerous professions. They are the soldiers who fight in battle, and more men may die than women. This is one of the things that raise the percentage of husbandless women, and the only solution to this problem is plural marriage.

4 – There are some men who may have strong physical
desires, for whom one wife is not enough. If the door is closed to such a man and he is told, you are not allowed more than one wife, this will cause great hardship to him, and his desire may find outlets in forbidden ways.


In addition to that, a woman menstruates each month, and when she gives birth, she bleeds for forty days (this post-partum bleeding is called nifaas in Arabic), at which time a man cannot have intercourse with his wife, because intercourse at the time of menstruation or nifaas is forbidden, and the harm that it causes has been proven medically. So plural marriage is permitted when one is able to be fair and just.

5 – Plural marriage does not exist only in the Islamic religion, rather it was known among the previous nations. Some of the Prophets were married to more than one woman. The Prophet of Allaah Sulaymaan (Solomon) had ninety wives. At the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), there were some men who became Muslims who had eight or five wives. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told them to keep four wives and to divorce the rest.

6 – A wife may be barren, or she may not meet her husband’s needs, or he may be unable to have intercourse with her because she is sick. A husband may long to have children, which is a legitimate desire, and he may want to have a sex life within marriage, which is something permissible, and the only way is to marry another wife. It is only fair for the wife to agree to remain his wife and to allow him to marry another.


7 – A woman may be one of the man’s relatives and have no one to look after her, and she is unmarried or a widow whose husband has died, and the man may think that the best thing to do for her is to include her in his household as a wife along with his first wife, so that he will both keep her chaste and spend on her. This is better for her than leaving her alone and being content only to spend on her.

8 – There are other shar’i interests that call for plural marriages, such as strengthening the bonds between families, or strengthening the bonds between a leader and some of his people or group, and he may think that one of the ways of achieving this aim is to become related to them through marriage, even if that is through plural marriage.

Objection:
Some people may object and say that plural marriage means having co-wives in one house, and that the disputes and enmity that may arise between co-wives will have an effect on the husband, children and others, and this is harmful and should be avoided, and the only way to prevent that is to ban plural marriage.

Response to the objection:
The response to that is that family arguments may occur even when there is only one wife, and they may not even happen when there is more than one wife, as we see in real life. Even if we assume that there may be more arguments than in a marriage to one wife, even if we accept that they may be harmful and bad, the harm is outweighed by the many good things in a plural marriage. Life is not entirely bad or entirely good, but what everyone hopes is that the good will outweigh the bad, and this principle is what applies in the permission for plural marriage.
Moreover, each wife has the right to her own, separate accommodation as prescribed in Islam. It is not permissible for the husband to force his wives to live together in one house.

Another objection:
If we allow men to have plural wives, why are women not allowed to have multiple husbands, why does a woman not have the right to marry more than one man?

Response to this objection:
There is no point in giving a woman the right to marry multiple husbands, rather that is beneath her dignity and she would not know the lineage of her children, because she is the one who bears the offspring, and it is not permissible for the offspring to be formed from the sperm of a number of men lest the lineage of the child be lost and no one will know who is responsible for bringing up the child; this will lead to breakdown of families, loss of ties between fathers and children, which is not permitted in Islam as it is not in the interests of the woman or of the child or of society as a whole.

Al-Mufassal fi Ahkaam al-Mar’ah, part 6, p. 290


Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
 

saif

Junior Member
Sehr geehrte Lisa,

Vor wenigen Tagen habe ich deine Mail gesehen und bis ich eine Antwort schreiben konnte, war sie schon verschwunden. Es freut mich, dass Bruder Ibn Azam schon eine Antwort auf deine Mail geschrieben hat.

Im Bezug auf das Vers möchte ich gern ein Paar Sachen klarstellen, die in der detaillierten Antwort von Bruder Ibn Azam nicht klar geworden sind.

1. Es ist falsch zu sagen, daß Islam Polygamie "erlaubt" hat, als ob sie sonst verpönt war und Islam sie eingeführt hätte. Die richtige Aussage ist, Islam hat Polygamie nicht verboten und die gängige Praxis der Polygamie eingegrenzt und geregelt. Die Tatsache ist, daß Polygamie in fast allen alten Kulturen ( inklusive vorislamische arabische und jüdische Kultur) eine gängige Praxis war.

2. In dem genannten Vers geht es gar nicht direkt um Erlaubnis der Polygamie sondern die Situation nach dem Krieg von Ohod wird diskutiert, als in der kleinen Gemeinde von Medina auf einmal sehr viele Waisenkinder und Wittwen zu finden waren. In jener Situation werden die Männer aufgefordert die bestehende Praxis von Polygamie zum Schutz der Waisen auszunutzen.

3. Nun zum letzten Teil deiner Frage. Wenn ein Mann und eine Frau eine Ehe schliessen, dann ist es doch selbstverständlich dass sie beisamen sein dürfen/wollen/können. Ich verstehe, dass es nicht sehr leicht akzeptabel für andere Frau(en) ist, aber gerade dieses Vers liefert ein Beispiel dafür, dass man dadurch (durch Polygamie) noch grössere Ungerechtigkeit verhindern kann. Ich verstehe, dass manche Männer (eine sehr kleine Minderheit) nur aus Lust diese "Freiheit" geniessen, aber das Schmerz und Ungerechtigkeit, die sie dadurch verursachen können sie auf gar keinem Fall mit diesem Vers rechtfertigen.

Nun muss ich auch auf englischsprachigen Online-Resoucen zurückgreifen. Im folgenden habe ich eine Frage und Antwort von www. understanding-islam .com kopiert.

Question:

Islam allows a man to have more than one wife, what is the significance of this? Do you think this degrades womanhood? I have wondered about this aspect of Islam but on asking various people.. I have never got a consistent reply.

I was wondering if you could clear this for me.


Answer:

It is more than obvious that an ideal family setup is the one in which one man and one woman decide to live their lives as man and wife. Islam makes no exception to this rule. There are a few points from which we can clearly derive from the Qur'an that according to the God's basic scheme for this world, a family should consist of one husband and one wife only. For instance, we can see that when God created Adam, it was not a team of women created for his service, but just one, to be his partner. In the same way, even today the balanced setup for a household is normally where one man and one woman combine to form a family. There is nothing in the teachings of the Qur'an or the narratives ascribed to the Prophet (pbuh) that negates this rule.

But even though an ideal family setup consists of one husband and one wife, there can be a number of situations where the society demands of a person to compromise the ideal family setup and enter into a second marriage for the general good of the society. It is exactly such a situation that is mentioned in Surah Al-Nisa', where the practice of polygamy has been referred to[1]. I would like to present a brief analysis of the related verses of the referred surah, so that the context in which this reference is made may be clear to you.

The setup in which the verses were revealed is that the Muslims in the battle of Uhud had lost many lives due to which many women had become widows and many children had become orphans. In this setup God says (the following is not a translation, but the theme of the related verses):

People, you must remember that you are all the creation of one God and the children of one mother and one father; the orphans in your society are but your brethren and kinsfolk. It is, therefore, your responsibility to look after the well being and interests of these orphans; if they are young and cannot look after their assets themselves, you must look after these assets for them, and in doing so, you must not unjustly consume their assets fearing that you will have to return it to them at the time of their maturity. In case you fear that you shall not be able to fulfill your responsibilities (regarding the assets and well being of these orphans) in a just manner, God allows you to marry the mothers of these orphans; up to four marriages. But in case you fear that you shall not be able to deal with these wives in a just manner then you must not enter into a second marriage.

As can be seen from the above context, the practice of polygamy has been referred to not for increased pleasure but to provide ease in fulfilling a socio-moral responsibility. In this context, we may say that there are two conditions in which the Qur'an has referred to the practice of polygamy: 1) There should be a socially justifiable reason for it; 2) If a person fears that he shall not be able to maintain a just balance in his dealings with his wives, he must not enter into the second marriage.

It is obvious that when a permission is granted for something, people may take advantage of such permission and use it for satisfying their personal pleasures. The Islamic state, in such a case can take action to check the misuse of such allowances.

In the present times, where a second marriage is looked upon with disgust, there are many instances where a widow has to spend the rest of her life all alone and nobody wants to marry a divorced woman etc. A man, who is naturally inclined towards marrying a young woman for his only wife, may be willing to take an older divorced or widowed woman for a second wife. One of the results of the tradition of taking a second wife, in the Arab society, was that men took upon themselves, as a responsibility, the support of divorced and widowed women by taking them as their wives. This, as can be clearly seen was a great advantage of the referred tradition.

To summarize the above points, Islam does not in any case advocate polygamy, it has only referred to the practice of polygamy, which was an accepted norm of the prevalent Arab society, in a particular situation where a person feels that a second marriage may help him in carrying out an important socio-moral responsibility that, in his opinion, he should fulfill.

25th April 1998

[1] It is important to note that the Qur'an actually has only referred to an existing and a well accepted institution of the prevalent social system. Polygamy is neither an allowance nor a prohibition of the Qur'an. It was an accepted norm of the society in which the Qur'an was revealed. The Qur'an has only referred to this practice while prompting the Muslims to take care of the orphans and the widows in the society. The Qur'an is neither an advocate for, nor one against polygamy. It is only an advocate for the moral well being of humanity. (Moiz Amjad, 22nd May 20



Question:

Why are four marriages still allowed for men and not women? That is unfair. Please answer my question.


Answer:

It should be clearly understood in the beginning that nowhere in the Qur'an does it refer to the practice of polygamy. Polygamy, as is quite well known, was a cultural norm of the Arab society. The Qur'an has not made any positive or negative comments on this norm of the Arab culture. In Surah Al-Nisaa, from which polygamy is derived from the Qur'an, the Qur'an has directed the Muslims to take care of the orphans living around them. It puts responsibility of the financial and social guardianship of these orphans on the Muslims. In the context of these directive, it says that if a Muslim fears that he would not be able to deal with these orphans or to fulfill his responsibility toward them in an equitable manner, he may then marry their mother if he believe that this relationship will help him in fulfilling his responsibilities toward the orphans and the widows.

However, despite this grave issue of the orphans and widows, the Qur'an attached the strict condition of justice between the wives and in case of any doubt in this matter, it directed men to remain limited to only one wife. This explanation shows that firstly, the Qur'an has not directly discussed the issue of polygamy. It has only been, indirectly, mentioned in the particular context of fulfilling a big moral obligation toward the orphans and widows of the society. In other words, whatever the norms of the society, the Qur'an has not given any statement regarding the number of marriages. It has actually mentioned that if a second or a third or a fourth marriage can help a person in fulfilling his moral obligation toward the society, then there is no restriction on such a marriage imposed by the Shari`ah. Secondly, the condition of justice also actually limits the scope of the number of marriages that a person may enter into, because it is not possible for every person in a society to afford four wives at one time. Justice requires that if a person has four wives then they should all be treated equally as far as financial and other apparent matters are concerned. Finally, even in case of fulfilling socio-moral obligations, the Qur'an has restricted the number of marriages to four. No Muslim is allowed to marry more than four women even if there is an extremely pressing socio-moral obligation that he may be able to fulfill with another marriage.

Even in such pressing socio-moral situations, only Muslim men are allowed to marry more than once. Muslim women are not allowed to marry more than once under any situation. The reason for not allowing Muslim women a second marriage is that firstly, Islam has made man the head of the family, the one who is responsible for the livelihood of the family. Thus, a second marriage of a Muslim woman will create two heads of her "family", which obviously shall be against the whole concept of an organized family set up that Islam wants to promote. Secondly, such an allowance will create doubts about the parenthood of the child, which may entail serious long-term consequences for the individual child, in particular and the whole society, in general.

It should be kept in mind that in the matter under consideration, it is not the equality between the sexes that is debated. The Qur'an acknowledges complete equality between men and women as human beings. Here it is a matter of social needs and socio-moral obligations, which the Qur'an has addressed, and in collective matters of the society, the principle of the Qur'an is not equality but justice. The Qur'an gives rights and responsibilities to men and women in this world based on their respective natural capacities and capabilities. Lastly, it may be of great interest to learn that the general idea of a family unit advocated by the Qur'an is monogamous. This is evident from the fact that God created only one woman as a wife for the first human being - Adam (pbuh). It is only in case of dire social needs that Qur'an compromises this ideal to achieve a higher goal.

I hope this explanation answers your question. You can always get back if you are still unclear. However, this is only my opinion in this regard and I admit any chance of mistake in forming this opinion. I would be open to other points of view if based on stronger reasons. May Allah guide us all towards the right path.
 
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Lisa

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Danke euch für eure antworten.bin ganz überrascht,dass meine nachrricht nun doch gezeigt wird.dachte,das thema wäre vielleicht nicht der forumregeln gemäß.ich kann englisch sprechen,ich lebe mit meinem freund auf englisch,da er türke ist und ich noch kein türkisch kann.allerdings ist es mir für spezifische themen doch lieber auf deutsch,da ich doch nicht so richtig alles verstehe und das thema doch zu wichtig ist als das ich nicht alles verstehen müsste.letztendlich hatte mein freund auf türkischen seiten nach diesem thema gesucht und es mir erklärt.diese seiten wirklich toll.man kann zu sämtlichen themen plausible antworten finden.und es standen da ähnliche sachen wie eure antworten.es war sehr schwer mein athesitendenken auf den kopf zu stellen,aber ich habe nun verstanden,dass es doch anders ist.es ist schön,dass es ein forum wie dieses gibt,da doch viele wenig wissen,wenn sie in einer modernen atheistischen umgebung aufgewachsen sind.ich habe momentan das glück teilweise in der türkei zu wohnen und jeden tag den den gebetsruf der moscheen zu hören und überall warme,lächelnde gesichter zu sehen.es ist wunderschön.ich wünschte,wir hätten in deutschland auch ein paar moscheen,von denen man auch den ezan hören kann.wenn ich in deuschland bin,fehlt es mir sehr.aber leider sehen die deutschen den islam ja als zentrum des terrors und sind vehement dagegen.
 
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