Open Letter from Sami Yusuf to Yvonne Ridley

Abdul-Raheem

Signing Out.....
I would like to add that I've not posted this in defence of Sami Yusuf but in response to a request from a Brother.

Dear Yvonne,

Peace and blessings of God be upon you.

Your recent article on ‘Pop Culture in the Name of Islam’ has been brought to my attention. I commend you for voicing your opinion and raising some very important issues – albeit in a very provocative manner. I thought it would be useful to share some of my thoughts with you on this matter.

As a Muslim artist, I regularly seek clarification and advice from world-renowned scholars on art, music, singing and culture. Be informed that the subject of music is one of the most controversial topics in Islamic Jurisprudence. I respect those who consider music to be haram. Yes eminent scholars of our past have opined such. However, I respect and follow the opinion of other eminent scholars – classical and contemporary, who permit singing and the use of musical instruments. The well-established jurisprudential rule states that ‘in matters where there is ikhtilaf (differences of opinion) there is to be no condemnation of either opinion.’ This is from the beauty of the religion of Islam. The diversity of our cultural, legal and social traditions is something we are in dire need of celebrating not condemning. So let’s agree to disagree on this one.

The obsessive fascination of fans towards any celebrity - be it in arts, music, politics, media, etc - to the point of hysteria and hero-worshipping is definitely unhealthy not to mention un-Islamic. Of course, as Muslims, we are required to abide by certain etiquettes in whatever situation we may find ourselves in. However, I definitely did not see girls dancing or behaving indecently in any of my concerts. To state otherwise is a gross exaggeration if not an outright fallacy. And if indeed that did take place then let’s deal with it in the true Prophetic tradition - a tradition that imparts love, mercy, tolerance and wisdom. Let me share with you the story of the Bedouin who came to the Prophet’s mosque and started urinating in the mosque itself. The Companions rushed to grab him and give him a ‘good beating.’ But the Prophet did not allow them to do so and told them to let him be. After the Bedouin had urinated, the Prophet asked his Companions to bring a bucket of water and wash the place. Afterwards he called the man and with gentleness and affection explained to him that this was a place of worship and that it should be kept clean. Though I have to say that had the Bedouin been around today he would be lucky to get away with just a ‘good beating’!

Indeed the state of contemporary mainstream music is one dominated by celebrity worship, materialism and the constant promotion of a consumerist culture that seeks only to derive instant emotional and physical gratification. The arts industry in general – and the music industry specifically – is being commercialised at the expense of art itself. We don’t value good art or good music anymore – it’s about what can sell most in the market. In the midst of all this, it is upon all conscious and responsible artists who look beyond the commercial to work in refining arts and music. Apart from entertaining audiences, music is a powerful medium to communicate values and social messages. In these times where heinous crimes against humanity are being committed, we as artists – Muslims or non-Muslims, British or non-British – have a duty to use this medium to bring some sanity to this world of unrest, fear, violence, terror and war. Human life and dignity are values that should be cherished and championed by all. Had you listened carefully to the songs in my latest album which is actually entitled ‘My Ummah’ before hastily passing judgements, you would have noticed my modest attempt at addressing issues facing the global Muslim community – such as regaining our lost legacy in all spheres of human life, oppression in different parts of the Muslim world, Aids, landmines, poverty and freedom to wear the hijab.

This leads me to another important issue which you raised – that of identity and culture. Who are we? How do we define ourselves? What do we stand for? Let me remind you again – I am a British Muslim. Proud to be Muslim and proud to be British! Why? Because this is what Islam teaches me to be – loyal towards my faith and my country. Throughout our rich history, wherever Muslims settled they adopted and fused the best aspects of the local culture/society with Islamic teachings and traditions. As Dr. Umar Faruq Abdallah, a leading American Muslim scholar and thinker writes in ‘Islam the Cultural Imperative’:

In history, Islam showed itself to be culturally friendly and, in that regard, has been likened to a crystal clear river. Its waters (Islam) are pure, sweet, and life-giving but—having no color of their own—reflect the bedrock (indigenous culture) over which they flow. In China, Islam looked Chinese; in Mali, it looked African. Sustained cultural relevance to distinct peoples, diverse places, and different times underlay Islam’s long success as a global civilization.

At a time when leading Muslim scholars and thinkers have reached an advanced stage in crystallising theories of citizenship and positive integration into Western societies, any discussion of renouncing parts of our identity is simply ridiculous, dangerous and destructive – especially for someone who has no other homeland. Such emotional fist-pumping and chest-pounding about renouncing our British identity may seem attractive to a minority of Muslim youth, but as Muslims in positions of influence like yourself, we should not play to these base instincts. Rather, we should try to be more far-sighted and responsible in our discourse and not sacrifice this in the pursuit of tabloid-style sensationalist journalism.

Do you not see the Prophet of Islam shedding tears whilst migrating from Makkah – his beloved homeland to Madina despite the persecution he suffered at the hands of its people. Britain is my home. I was raised here as a child, I went to school here, most of my friends – Muslims and non-Muslims - are British and my earliest as well as fondest memories are rooted here. Does being British mean I take pride in the oppressive and exploitative colonial past of Britain? Does it mean I support the British invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq? Does it mean I support the Anti-Terrorism Act? Does it mean I support the erosion of civil liberties and human rights? Of course not! But Yvonne, let us be fair and not forget that it was in Britain that the world witnessed the largest anti-war demonstration – a testimony to the moral consciousness of the British public. I too was in that demonstration voicing my discontent over the foreign policies of our government. Although we have our fair share of racism, Islamophobia, discrimination, under-representation – and in no way am I claiming that we live in a utopian society, but I still believe that British society is amongst the most tolerant, open, liberal, multi-cultural and inclusive societies in the world. We don’t need to go far but Muslims in the Continent would envy the liberties and opportunities that British Muslims take for granted. Actually the real debate that needs to take place is how are we to shape this emerging British / European / Western Muslim identity and what direction it should take. I see my work a humble contribution towards that end.

You are critical of my mention that the Metropolitan Police is inclusive of Muslims. By God, who are you depending on to protect and safeguard our streets? Yes, there is no doubt that the Metropolitan Police have committed a series of grave mistakes and blunders – the recent Forest Gate incident is one such example and the Police must be held fully accountable for their actions. But we as Britons and Muslims have a religious and civic obligation to help maintain a safe and secure Britain. This actually raises serious questions about the participation of British Muslims not just in the Metropolitan Police but in mainstream civil society. We have three options as a community: [1] To assimilate and lose our cultural, ethnic and even religious roots. [2] To ghettoise and divorce ourselves from society and face extermination. [3] To positively integrate and contribute to society whilst remaining loyal to both faith and country. I – like the vast majority Muslims – have chosen option three. We need to build trust and partnerships with civil institutions and engage with them. This path entails that we be active members in our communities and societies; that we participate at all levels of society from politics to sports, from academia to arts, from business to media; that we reserve and exercise the right of dissent and criticism; that we join our fellow citizens in building a safe, peaceful, tolerant and pluralistic society that embodies the values of freedom and justice. Thus I commend you for standing in the last European Elections, General Elections and the recent Council Elections as a candidate in order to get your views heard, to make an impact, and to represent British people – although I hope you have better luck next time. Positive engagement – not anarchist ranting -– is the path we must tread.

It is true that the state of the global Muslim community is saddening but are we meant to live in perpetual grieving and lamenting and dress in black? Despite all the oppression and persecution suffered by the Prophet, he would always find time to celebrate the different joyful moments in life such as marriages, births, Eids and other happy occasions. He, peace and blessings of God be upon him, also found time to enjoy poetry and even had appointed a personal poet – the notable companion Hassan ibn Thabit.

Maintaining balance and adopting the middle way is the key in these troubled times of ours. Extremism and extremists have no place in Islam and in our civil societies. “Perished are the extremists” is a famous Prophetic tradition. Extremism is not a problem unique to Islam. Every religion, every way of life, every ideology has its puritans and those willing to distort and misinterpret it to meet their own agenda. And these are no different to those that commit acts of terror, who preach extremism, and who sow seeds of hatred in the name if Islam. There is no denying that Muslims in places like Palestine, Iraq, Kashmir and Chechnya are facing oppression and tragedy every day, and both the Muslim world and the West need to come together to solve these problems in the greater interest of humanity. Western governments in particular must understand that to help the majority of Muslims defeat the minority of extremists, they must assist us in eradicating the daily humiliation faced by Muslims across many parts of the world. Ending this humiliation is the only way forward for us.

You have every right to criticise and disagree with me or anyone else for that matter, and I always welcome any advice and constructive criticism for I know my defects and shortcomings are many. I am guided by the ancient wisdom which states ‘May God have mercy on the one who shows me my defects – for that is the best gift he could give me.’ However, in the Islamic tradition there are adab (ethics) of criticism and disagreement. I know you wrote your article with sincerity and zeal, but on a more personal level, I was deeply pained and saddened by the hostile tone and the vulgar style of your language that was brimming with sarcasm and was clearly un-Islamic, indecent and a gross violation of the beautiful teachings of our beloved Prophet who said “I was not sent except to perfect your manners.” Using words such as “astagfirullah dude,” “lap-dancing,” ‘whooping and dancing,” and describing the volunteer stewards as “pipe cleaners” and “bulldozers” are inappropriate to say the very least. What shocked and even angered me was the way you shamelessly insulted our pure innocent sisters who were supporting a charity concert by describing them as “fluffers”! (Incidentally, these very sisters managed to raise over £100,000 for orphans all over the world.) I – like the vast majority of those who read your article – was blissfully ignorant about the very existence of this disgusting obscene word, and I would question the wisdom of introducing it to the vocabulary of your readers. As to my performances, I always consciously endeavour to be responsible, respectable, modest and dignified on stage.

It has been my approach that whenever personal criticism is levelled at me I ignore it and get on with my work, as my philosophy in life is to build and not destroy, and to unite not divide. However, on this occasion I felt duty-bound to respond because of the dangerous ideas and notions contained in your article. Yvonne, let us work together as fellow Muslims and Britons in building a better future for our community and all human beings and strive to make our world a safer, more peaceful, tolerant and prosperous place.

Yours faithfully,

Sami Yusuf
 

dna1987

Muslim Guy
:salam2:

That brother was me :) Thanks for taking the time to post it. Back to the article, Sis Yvonne raised some good points, but I guess Bro Sami did too. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately), there are no videos of the concert that I have seen, and I can't judge whose description of the event is more accurate. Whether the sisters really were dancing like "fluffers", or whether they remained within the boundaries.

The letter itself was actually quite well written and structured; I wonder if Sami Yusuf wrote it himself or if he got some help with it.
 

Abdul-Raheem

Signing Out.....
:salam2:

You are right Brother, but I think the main issues arises from the fact he uses music. What good is it if they behave in a proper islamic way while participating in something which is completely haram. It doesn't make it any more acceptable.
That is where my objections arise.
 

NAVEED

Junior Member
naveed abbasi

its quite a common habbit of today's muslims that they don't like criticism even when its correct and according to quran and sunnah. Even worse ( and may ALLAH SWT save us from those ) is the attitude when a wrong act or tradition is justified as correct by using the word 'disagreement' amongst different school of thoughts. A famous hadith of prophet sallah ho alihe wa salam states that one of sign of taqawa in a moomin is that he/she will leave something which is even halal but the person is in doubt about it either it is halal or haram. that should be our attitude,not trying to justify it by quoting some so called modern day ' Scholors' .
May Allah SWT guide us to the right path . Ameen.
 

Ayep

New Member
:salam2: bros and sisters

I agree with your opinions, what is confirmed haram cannot be made Halal, even if it is meant for charity. That is the way of the Kaafirs and Mushriks.

How can we use haram money and feed the poor? There no barakah whatsoever in that 'goodwill work'. Instead by participating in the concert, evenbody increased their sins and by defending their sinful ways it gets multiplied.

"O you who believe! Enter perfectly in Islam (by obeying all the rules and regulations of the Islamic religion) and follow not the footsteps of Satan. Verily! He is to you an open enemy." Al-Baqarah verse 208.

:astag:
Bro Sami can do PR with the public all he wants but he still has to face Allah some day.

Allah knows best
:wasalam:
 

ibn azem

Super Moderator
Staff member
The letter itself was actually quite well written and structured; I wonder if Sami Yusuf wrote it himself or if he got some help with it.
Bismillah,

:salam2:

I was asking the same question to myself!
And why did he take the beduin story, do you not get it?!
What is that in his case?

And as brother Ayep said:
Bro Sami can do PR with the public all he wants but he still has to face Allah some day.

May Allah (swt) guide us all to the right path.

wassalaam.
 

allmuslimsrequal

Junior Member
Salaam alikoum- in response to Ibn Azem:

' And why did he take the beduin story- what is that in his case?'

I believe he was saying that even if the females at his concert WERE behaving inappropriately- it is better to deal with them in the manner of love and patience and respect that the Prophet (pbuh) dealt with that man who did such a disgusting deed in the masjid.
I think the point of using that was to say:
We deal with haram things in a very harsh way today
when the prophet himself- peace be upon him-
often corrected people in a much more compassionate way-(Bedoin an excellent example of this)
You are not suppossed to frighten people away from Islam with harshness.
But correct them and show them the right path, without foul language, or the use of fists or 'beatings'
 

sunshine

Building Bridges
:salam2:


The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).

"Zinaa, silk, alcohol, ....and then, musical instruments. What does Islam say about those words before musical instruments?"

More:...see www.islam-qa.com

Anyway, I like what Yvonne Ridlay said. It's just the truth...and it's happening nowaday...


wassalam
 

Globalpeace

Banned
Sister Yvonne Ridley, Sami Yusuf & their Fans!

Asslamo Allaikum,

It is not my intention to offend Sister Yvonne Ridley, Sami Yusuf or any of their fans.

I read the original letter by Sister Yvonne Ridley & subsequent reply by Sami Yusuf a while ago.

Let’s leave aside the issue of Sami Yusuf and his involvement in MUSIC.

1) Since there is no independent verification of the events at the concert, “IF” the rebuttal of “Sami Yusuf” is found to be accurate then I would say that the text of the article by Sister Yvonne Ridley is slandering someone’s character and the article is based on lies.

2) I believe that this issue needs to be resolved in order to ascertain the credibility of a Muslimah who is gaining momentum and listened, read and talked about frequently amongst the Muslims in the West; but I find it hard to believe that she will go to such lengths to “spin” a story. It would be interesting to read of any Muslims who were present at the event and have since come forth to give their account

3) With the utmost respect to Sami Yusuf I don’t find the rebuttal to be adequate (if the charges are true and accurate) as the “evidence” is based on logic & inferences and even then it is far fetched; consider the following quick summary:

a) Sami Yusuf takes advice of world-renowned scholars of Islam on Music, singing and culture? I beg your pardon, Sir???

b) Anyone who thinks that there is a similarity between a villager (Bedouin) lacking knowledge and urinating in the mosque and Sisters in the West who are empowered and knowledgeable, yet choose to go to an Islamic concert and dance and behave indecently (if the charges are true and accurate), please raise your hand.

c) Anyone who thinks that there is a similarity between Makkah (from where Hijrah occurred) and modern day Britain, please raise your hand.

d) If Islam is so culture friendly does this mean that it should look Indian in India and Israeli in Israel? Has anyone informed Sami Yusuf that the BJP (fundamentalist Hindu Party) in India want Muslims in India to practise an “Indian Islam” and they openly beat/kill Muslims for following an “Arab Islam (their words not mine)…and there are many Muslims in India who are dying to preserve Islam according to Qur’aan and the Sunnah and they would find that the very cause or voices of establishment of an “Indian Islam” deeply offensive”

Lets get back to the issue of Sami Yusuf & his involvement in Music & in my humble opinion I find that MUSIC is Haram with the utmost respect to the scholars and laymen alike (today) who say that it is NOT! In the Islamic history MUSIC has always been considered HARAM, despised and frowned upon, despite the fact that Muslim Kings, noblemen, Sufees and all (unfortunately) indulged in this habit it was always denounced by scholars of all ages, all Madhabs with the exception of DRUM on which there are differences of opinions.


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Listening to music and singing is a sin and cause for the sickening and weakening of the heart. The majority of the scholars of the Salaf are unanimous that listening to music and singing and using musical instruments is Haram (prohibited).
Evidence that Music and Singing are Haram

1. Allaah said, what translated means, "And of mankind he who purchases idle talks to mislead (people) from the Path of Allaah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allaah) by way of mockery, For such there will be a humiliating torment." [31:6].

Al-Wahidi , along with other scholars of Tafsir (explaining the Qur'aan), said that "Idle Talk" in this Ayah is singing. The following companions gave this Tafsir: Ibn Abbas, Ibn Masud, Mujahid and Ikrimah . Ibn Masud said, "By Allaah, whom there is no God except Him, idle talk is singing."

2. The Prophet said (which means), "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allaah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection." [Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 69, Number 494v].

This Hadeeth states that musical instruments are Haram, and there is no disagreement among the scholars on this. In his book, Ighathat Al-Lahfan, Ibn Al-Qayyim said, "When the Prophet said, 'render as lawful,' he meant that it was unlawful, then the people made it lawful."

3. Abu Hurayrah narrated that the Prophet said, what translated means, group of this nation will be transformed into monkeys and swine." They said, "Do not they testify that there is no god except Allaah and that Muhammed is His Messenger?" He said, "Yes. And also they fast pray and perform Hajj." They said, "Then, what is their problem?" He said, "They use musical instruments, drums and female singers. (One day) they will go to sleep after a night of drinking and having fun, In the morning, they will be transformed (by Allaah) into monkeys and swine." [Iughathat Al-Lahfan].

4. Allaah said, criticizing the Kuffar's worship around the Kaa'bah, what translated means, "Their prayer at the House (Kaa'bah) was nothing but Muka'an and Tasdiyah." [8:35]. Ibn Abbas, Ibn Umar, Atiyyah, Muj ahid, Ad-Dhahh'ak, AlHasan and Qatadah said that Muka'an means whistling, and that Tasdiyah means clapping of hands.


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Sayings of the Scholars Regarding Music and Singing
Imam IbnTaymiyyah said, "Listening to music and sinful fun are among what strengthens the satanic ways the most. This is exactly what the disbeliever's used to do. Allaah said, And their prayer at the House (of Allaah) was nothing but Muka 'an and Tasdiyah. [8:35]. Ibn Abbas, ibn Umar and others said that Tasdiyah is clapping of hands, and that Muka'an is whistling. This was the Mushrikeen's way of worship. The Prophet and his companions worshipped Allaah , according to His order, in their prayer, reading the Qur'aan and Dhikr (supplication). It never occurred that the Prophet and his companions gathered to listen to singing that is accompanied by clapping or using drums."

Imam Ibn Taymiyyah also said regarding the person, whose habit is to listen to music, "His state of emotions becomes less passionate when he hears the Qur'aan. On the contrary, when he listens to instruments of the devil (music), he dances a lot. If the prayer is established, he either prays while sitting down or performs it as fast as when the roaster picks seeds. He dislikes listening to the Qur'aan and does not find beauty in it while reciting it. He has no taste for the Qur'aan and feels no love for it or pleasure when it is read. Rather, he finds pleasure if he listens to Mukaa' or Tasdiyah. These are satanic pleasures and he is among those whom Allaah mentioned in the Ayah, And whosoever turns away from the remembrance of the Most Beneficent (Allaah), We appoint for him Satan to be a companion for him. [43:36]." [Awliyaa' Ar-Rahman].

Imam Ibn Al-Qayyim said, "Of the tricks of the enemy of Allaah, Satan, that he uses to trap those who do not enjoy much intelligence, knowledge or sincerity in religion, are M ukaa' and Tasdiyah. These people of ignorance listen to and use musical instruments that are prohibited and which lead the hearts to abandoning the Qur'aan. These hearts are indulging in sin and disobedience of Allaah. Music, then, is Satan's Qur'aan and the barrier between one and Allaah. It is the way to sodomy and adultery. With it, the lover finds what he seeks and dreams of sinful love. Satan has trapped the weak hearts in the love of singing and made it beautiful to them. Satan reveals to his agents' fake proofs that they use as evidence to the beauty of singing. These people accept Satan's revelation and, as a consequence, abandon the Qur'aan. When you witness them while listening, you will find them silent in humbleness, sitting idle and their hearts are concentrating and totally enjoying music and singing. Their hearts will feel closer to music, as if they were drunk. They dance and move in a suggestive manner, like faggots and whores. And why not? They are drunk with the pleasure of listening to music and singing and act accordingly. For other than Allaah, and for Satan, there are hearts that are being broken by sin, and fortunes that are being spent for other than Allaah's Pleasure. They spend their lives in joyful fun and make a mockery of their religion. Instruments of the devil are sweeter to their ears than the Qur'aan. If one of them listens to the Qur'aan from beginning to end, it will have little effect or excitement on him. If Satan's Qur'aan is being performed and heard, they feel joy in their hearts and one can see it in their eyes. Their feet dance, their hands clap, their breathing intensifies and the rest of their bodies feel joy. O you who are trapped in this sin, you who have sold your share of Allaah to Satan, what a losing deal! Why not feels this joy when you listen to the Qur'aan? Why not feel pleasure and comfort when the Glorious Qur'aan is recited? But, everyone seeks what he feels is suitable for him, and ends up with what is really suitable for him." [Ighathat Al-Lahfan].

Sheikh Abdulaziz bin Baz was asked about listening to music and songs, "Is it Haram? I only listen to it for pleasure. What about playing the Rababah (a kind of guitar) and old songs? What about using drums in weddings?"

Sheikh Ibn Baz said, "Listening to music is Haram and a sin. It is a matter that leads to weakening the hearts and abandoning the Dhikr of Allaah and the prayer. The scholars said about the Ayah, And of' mankind he who purchases idle talks [31:6], that idle talks means singing. Abdullaah ibn Masud , the Prophet's companion, used to swear by Allaah that it is singing. If singing is accompanied by the Rababah, 'Ud (Arabic guitar), fiddles or drums, it is even more Haram. Any singing with any instrument is Haram and the scholars are unanimous on this. Therefore, Muslims must be aware of it. The Prophet said, "From among my nation there will be those who render as lawful adultery, silk (for men), AI-Khamr (alcohol) and musical instruments." [Al-Bukhari]. I advise you and others to read the Qur'aan and keep remembering Allaah. I advise you to listen to Qur'aanic programs on the radio. This way, one will find pleasure and will keep busy so he can stay away from music and songs. As for weddings, the Daff (tambourine) can be used along with innocent singing that does not call to sin. This can be done at night, only in weddings and only by and for women. These songs are a way of announcing an Islaamic marriage. The Sunnah of the Prophet supports the above. As for the drums, they are Haram all the time. The Daffis permitted in weddings and only for and by women."


Many Muslims today render music as permissible. This is due to their ignorance or outright defiance of the religion. We ask Allaah that we are among those who listen to the speech and follow the best of what it contains. These are the ones whom Allaah has guided and granted them the bounty of sanity and comprehending minds.



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asifh15

New Member
Music

Music is Haraam and that is it. ISLAM is a perfect religion, no in betweens. All the Allah fearing scholars agree that Music is Haraam and is the voice of Shaytaan. if I go to a non-Allah fearing scholar, I obvioulsy would get 2 opinions. May Allah give us Hidayah. For people who are confused about this issue, do this. Make wudu and pray 2 naafil rakas of Salat-ul-Hajat. Then ask from Allah by making dua as to guide you to the right path in thid matter. if you are a person of even a little faith, you will get the answer. But you must have full faith in Allah and then pray the 2 naafil salaat.
 

NewMuslim

Slave of Allah
:salam2:
I agree with Sami Yusuf. I'm glad there's finally somebody willing to speak against the masses with his own opinion (and in a very kind and intelligent manner). I'm sure it gets his blood boiling when people say he's not a "true Muslim" or that he "doesn't fear Allah", but it's nice to see him keep his cool and not lash out at others.
 

NewMuslim

Slave of Allah
Make wudu and pray 2 naafil rakas of Salat-ul-Hajat..

:salam2:
It is agreed upon that Salat-al-Hajat is a Bid'ah for there's only weak Hadith to support it (Hadith so weak that the scholars said to not follow it). Look on Islam QA.
 

Globalpeace

Banned
:salam2:
It is agreed upon that Salat-al-Hajat is a Bid'ah for there's only weak Hadith to support it (Hadith so weak that the scholars said to not follow it). Look on Islam QA.

Asslamo Allaikum,

Jazakulah Khairun my brother,

Just out of curiosity want to understand your thought pattern (please don’t get offended) you find Salatul-Hajjah to be Bid’a because of its origin from a weak Hadeeth yet condone Sami Yusuf?

Please don’t get offended but how do you reconcile the two seemingly divergent comments?

Please don’t get offended and please feel free not to answer?
 

NewMuslim

Slave of Allah
Asslamo Allaikum,

Jazakulah Khairun my brother,

Just out of curiosity want to understand your thought pattern (please don’t get offended) you find Salatul-Hajjah to be Bid’a because of its origin from a weak Hadeeth yet condone Sami Yusuf?

Please don’t get offended but how do you reconcile the two seemingly divergent comments?

Please don’t get offended and please feel free not to answer?

:wasalam:
No offense taken.
Music is a very debatable subject. But, there are some Hadith for and against it (because the Qur'an, unfortunatly, is silent about the issue). However, I didn't support Sami Yusuf because of his support for music, I like how he stood up against the masses to speak his opinion. Many are afraid of doing that, and, as a result, get taken down.
 

Oem Soufiane

Junior Member
MUSIC IS HARAAAAAAM, NOT DEBATICLE!

Ruling on so-called “Islamic” songs with musical instruments

Question:
i would like to know if muslims are allowed to lisen to islamic songs with instruments in it. please answer by using the quran and the sunnah or ijmaa.

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

The aayaat of the Qur’aan and the Ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) indicate that musical instruments are condemned, and warn us against them. The Qur’aan teaches that playing these instruments is one of the things that leads people astray and constitutes mockery of the Signs of Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talk to mislead (men) from the Path of Allaah, without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allaah, the Verses of the Qur’aan) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-fire).” [Luqmaan 31:6]

Most of the scholars interpreted lahw al-hadeeth (“idle talk”) as meaning singing and musical instruments, and every voice that diverts people from the truth.

Al-Tabari (Jaami’ al-Bayaan, 15/118-119), Ibn Abi’l-Dunya (Dham al-Malaahi, 33) and Ibn al-Jawzi (Talbees Iblees, 232) all reported that concerning the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“[Allaah said to Shaytaan;] ‘And istafziz [literally means befool them gradually] those whom you can with your voice, make assaults on them with your cavalry and your infantry, mutually share with them wealth and children, and make promises to them.’ But Shaytaan promises them nothing but deceit” [al-Isra’ 17:64]

Mujaahid said, “This refers to singing and flutes.”

Al-Tabari reported that al-Hasan al-Basri said:

“His voice is the tambourine.”

Ibn al-Qayyim said in Ighaathat al-Lahfaan (1/252):

“The grammatical structure here (idaafah – genitive or possessive) is used to make something specific (idaafat al-takhsees), and in all these words in the aayah it refers back to the Shaytaan [addressed here as ‘you’ by Allaah, may He be glorified]. Everyone who speaks about anything other than obedience of Allaah or plays a reed pipe, flute, tambourine or drum, all of this is the voice of Shaytaan.”

Al-Tirmidhi reported in his Sunan (no. 1005) from Ibn Abi Layla from ‘Ata’ from Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went to to al-Nakhl with ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Awf, when his son Ibraaheem was dying. He took the child in his lap and his eyes filled with tears. ‘Abd al-Rahmaan said, ‘Are you weeping when you have forbidden us to weep?’ He said, 'I do not forbid weeping. What I have forbidden is two foolish and evil kinds of voices: voices at times of entertainment and play and the flutes of the Shaytaan, and voices at times of calamity and scratching the face and rending the garments and screaming.’”

Al-Tirmidhi said: this is a hasan hadeeth. It was also reported by al-Haakim in al-Mustadrak, no. 1683, al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan al-Kubra (4/69), al-Tayaalisi in Musnad (no. 1683) and by al-Tahhaawi in Sharh al-Ma’aani, 4/29, and it was classed as hasan by al-Albaani.

Al-Nawawi said: “What is meant here is singing and musical instruments.” See Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi, 4/88.

It was reported in a saheeh hadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “In my ummah there will be people who allow fornication/adultery (zina), silk, wine and musical instruments [ma’aazif]. Some people will stay at the side of a mountain, and they will have flocks of sheep. When a poor person comes in the evening to ask them for something he needs, they will say. ‘Come back to us tomorrow.’ Then during the night Allaah will destroy them by causing the mountain to fall upon them, while He changes others into apes and swine. They will remain in such a state until the Day of Resurrection.’”

(Reported by al-Bukhaari in al-Saheeh mu’allaqan, 51/10. Reported mawsoolan by al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan al-Kubra, 3/272; al-Tabaraani in al-Mu’jam al-Kabeer, 3/319; and Ibn Hibbaan in al-Saheeh (8/265-266). Classed as saheeh by Ibn al-Salaah in ‘Uloom al-Hadeeth (32), Ibn al-Qayyim in Ighaathat al-Lahfaan (255) and Tahdheeb al-Sunan (5/270-272), al-Haafiz in al-Fath (10/51) and al-Albaani in al-Saheehah (1/140)).

Al-Haafiz said in al-Fath (10/55): Ma’aazif refers to musical instruments. Al-Qurtubi reported from al-Jawhari that ma’aazif meant singing, and what it says in his book al-Sihaah is that it refers to musical instruments. It was also said that it is the sound of musical instruments. In a footnote by al-Dimyaati it says: ma’aazif is tambourines and other kinds of drums. The word ‘azif is applied to singing and all other kinds of instruments that may be played.

Ibn al-Qayyim said in Ighaathat al-Lahfaan (1/256):

The evidence for this is that ma’aazif refers to all kinds of things used for entertainment. There is no dispute among scholars of the Arabic language on this point. If they were halaal, he would not have condemned those who permitted them, or compared permitting them to permitting wine and zina.

We may understand from the hadeeth that all kinds of musical instruments are forbidden. This is clear from the hadeeth for a number of reasons:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said “… there will be people who allow…” It is clear that the things listed here, including musical instruments, are forbidden in sharee’ah, but those people will allow them.

He compared musical instruments to things that are definitely known to be haraam, namely zina and alcohol. If instruments were not haraam, he would not have made this comparison. The evidence of this hadeeth that singing is haraam is definitive. Even if no other hadeeth or aayah spoke about musical instruments, this hadeeth would be sufficient to prove that they are haraam, especially the kind of singing that is known among people nowadays, the essence of which is obscenity and foul talk, based on all kinds of musical instruments such as guitars, drums, flutes, ouds, zithers, organs, pianos, violins and other things that make it more enticing, such as the voices of these effeminate singers and whores.

(See Hukm al-Ma’aazif by al-Albaani, Tas-heeh al-Ahkta’ wa’l-Awhaam al-Waaqi’ah fi Ahaadeeth al-Nabi ‘alayhi’l-salaam by Raa’id Sabri, 1/176).

Shaykh Ibn Baaz said in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 3/423-424):

“Ma’aazif refers to singing and musical instruments. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that at the end of time there will come a people who will allow these things just as they will allow alcohol, zina and silk. This is one of the signs of his Prophethood, for all of this has happened. The hadeeth indicates that [musical instruments] are haraam, and condemns those who say they are halaal, just as it condemns those who say that alcohol and zina are allowed. The aayaat and ahaadeeth that warn against singing and musical instruments are many indeed. Whoever claims that Allaah has allowed singing and musical instruments is lying and is committing a great evil. We ask Allaah to keep us from obeying our desires and the Shaytaan. Even worse and more seriously sinful than that are those who say it is mustahabb. Undoubtedly this stems from ignorance about Allaah and His Religion; it is insolent blasphemy against Allaah and lying about His Laws. What is mustahabb is to beat on the daff [simple hand drum] at weddings. This is mustahabb for women only, in order to announce the wedding and to distinguish it from fornication. There is nothing wrong with women singing amongst themselves, accompanied by the daff, so long as the songs contain no words that encourage evil or distract people from their duties. It is also a condition that this should take place among women only, and there should be no mixing with men. It should also not cause any annoyance or disturbance to neighbours. What some people do, of amplifying such singing with loudspeakers is evil, because of the disturbance it causes to other Muslims, neighbours and others. It is not permissible for women, in weddings or on other occasions, to use any instrument other than the daff, such as the oud, violin, rebab (stringed instrument) and so on. This is evil, and the only concession that women are given is that they may use the daff.

As for men, it is not permissible for them to play any kind of musical instrument, whether at weddings or on any other occasion. What Allaah has prescribed for men is training in the use of instruments of war, such as target practice or learning to ride horses and competing in that, using spears, shields, tanks, airplanes and other things such as cannons, machine guns, bombs and anything else that may help jihaad for the sake of Allaah.”

Shaykh al-Islam said in al-Fataawa (11/569):

“I know that in the ‘golden age’, the first and best three centuries, in the Hijaaz, in Syria, in the Yemen, in Egypt, in the Maghreb, in Iraq, in Khorasan, none of the religious and righteous people, the ascetics and those who worshipped Allaah much, would gather to listen to this whistling and clapping and drum-beating and so on. This was innovated after that at the end of the second century, and whenever the imaams saw it, they denounced it.”

As for these anaasheed which are described as “Islamic” but are accompanied with musical instruments, giving them this name lends them some measure of legitimacy, but in fact they are singing and music, so calling them Islamic nasheeds is falsehood and deception. They cannot be a substitute for singing, as an evil thing cannot be substituted for another evil thing. We should replace something evil with something good. Listening to it on the grounds that it is Islamic and an act of worship is bid’ah, and Allaah does not allow this. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound.

For more information, see:

Talbees Iblees (237) and al-Madkhil by Ibn al-Haaj (3/109); al-Amr bi’l-Ittibaa’ wa’l-Nahy ‘an al-Ibtidaa’ by al-Suyooti (99 ff); Dham al-Malaahi by Ibn Abi’l-Dunya; al-I’laam bi-anna al-‘Azif haraam by Abu Bakr al-Jazaa’iri; Tanzeeh al-Sharee’ah ‘an al-Aghaani al-Khalee’ah wa Tahreem Aalaat al-Tarab by al-Albaani.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
 

NewMuslim

Slave of Allah

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I don't want to start a debate, but I have read that one before. The Qur'an cannot be interpreted by scholars alone, for they are man and are concluding based on their own thoughts. Therefore, we must turn to Hadith. No one can forbid what Allah has not (see Qur'an 66:1). Therefore, the Hadith forbidding music is breaking that command (something the Prophet :saw: can't do). There are also some Hadith supporting music. That's just a quick summary. This site has information and answers the opposition against music: http://www.islamawareness.net/Music/prohibited.html

I really don't care if some people don't listen to music. Too much music/the wrong type of music can lead you away from Allah. Just don't forbid things based on what a man thinks when Allah clearly doesn't mention anything about music in His Qur'an (and even puts in that men can't make unlawful what Allah has made lawful, therefore crushing by itself any Hadith against music/any opinion of scholars who say this and that claiming they were "divinly inspired").
 

Globalpeace

Banned
Just trying to think!

:wasalam:
No offense taken.
Music is a very debatable subject. But, there are some Hadith for and against it (because the Qur'an, unfortunatly, is silent about the issue). However, I didn't support Sami Yusuf because of his support for music, I like how he stood up against the masses to speak his opinion. Many are afraid of doing that, and, as a result, get taken down.

Asslamo Allaikum,

You are gracious for not getting offended and may Allah (SWT) reward you for your kindness.

But my dear Brother! Perhaps I am not making my point clear…

1) You have quoted www.Islam-qa.com as your source of declaring Salatul-Hajjah a bid’aa versus the brother who originally suggested it obviously believes it NOT to be so and obviously considers the opinion of others scholars who consider the Hadeeth Not to be weak (or not weak enough to be discarded!)

2) Me & the Sister have subsequently quoted www.Islam-qa.com as our source for declaring MUSIC unequivocally HARAM versus you seem to think that it’s not and it is a matter of a difference of opinion.

Do you now see why I would like to know the thought pattern behind “selective quotation” from the same web-site (same scholar)?

Jazakullah Khairun

P.S: I study social patterns amongst humans and like to analyse how people think…Sorry about that!

P.P.S: So either everyone has a right to quote/accommodate difference of opinion OR everyone should accept ALL opinions from the same scholar

Not sure what is what
 

Abdul-Raheem

Signing Out.....
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I can't believe how people can keep on denying that music is forbidden. The evidence is overwhelming unless you decide to completely ignore the evidence in the quran and hadith.

:wasalam:
 

Globalpeace

Banned
:salam2:

I can't believe how people can keep on denying that music is forbidden. The evidence is overwhelming unless you decide to completely ignore the evidence in the quran and hadith.

:wasalam:

Asslamo Allaikum,

Asslamo Allaikum,

I think the brother is willing to explain himself Insha’Allah.
 

Abdul-Raheem

Signing Out.....
:salam2:

Please don't get me wrong. My comments weren't aimed at Newmuslim.
Like he said
However, I didn't support Sami Yusuf because of his support for music

Anyway, I should've been more clearer.:)

:wasalam:
 
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