question about the earth and sun

Ayanle

Junior Member
Asalaamu Alaikum,
i'm knew to the forum and just wanted to ask a question or two about the sun and earth. i know the quran says the sun and moon have their own prescribed orbits but what does it say about earth? the west say that the earth orbits around the sun etc but i've heard and seen some writings saying it is stationary
some help please

JazakAllahu Khair
 

Shishani

moderator
Staff member
Waalaykum assalaam.
Welcome, ahlan wa sahlan.
Here is some useful stuff:


the shape and orbit of the earth – part 1

source: silsilat ul-hudaa wa nnoor – the series of guidance and light - tape no. 435 & 436
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Question #10/1: “Is the earth round or flat?”

Shaykh al-Albaani (rahimahullaah) answers:

“It is round,[1] and the issue of the earth being round or flat is not an affair related to actions nor faith, such that it is obligatory for the Muslim to know the Islamically legislated ruling about it if it is related to actions in order to worship Allaah by it like the rest of the acts of worship, or for him to believe in it in the depth of his heart and soul if it is a belief that every Muslim is commanded to believe in. Rather, it is an issue that can be understood upon two (different) ways from the explanation of some aayaat in the noble Qur’aan. And no doubt – as is the case with most issues – one of the views will be correct and the other will be wrong. Thus, whoever makes ijtihaad[2] while he is qualified to do so – and the first condition for this qualification is knowledge of the Arabic language – then whether he is right or wrong, as (the questioner) himself knows, whoever is right has two rewards and whoever errs has one reward.[3]

And these aayaat that have come with regard to the earth, about whether it is moving, round or whether it is stationary – there isn’t a decisive text that would support either of the two different views. Therefore, we said that this is not an affair related to belief about which there must be a united opinion as we believe to the case with the ‘aqeedah (belief) of the salaf (righteous predecessors). It could be understood from some of the aayaat from the noble Qur’aan related to this subject that the earth is stationary and flat, and it could be understood from some other (aayaat) that it is moving and orbiting. And this (latter) opinion is that which carries more weight in our view and agrees with the natural reality which every individual from the people perceives (to be true), whether he is a Muslim or a disbeliever.

And it is sufficient for us to know that there isn’t a decisive proof about this issue with those who insist on opposing that which is established scientifically today: that the earth moves and that it orbits around the sun. It is sufficient, for knowing that there isn’t a clear text contradicting this idea or this astronomical view, that many of the Muslim scholars whose knowledge and excellence all of the Muslims acknowledge – especially us Salafis[4] who believe in the leadership of Shaykh ul-Islaam ibn Taimiyyah in knowledge of the Book and the Sunnah, and Ibn Qayyim az-Jawziyyah, let alone other than them – used to believe the opposite of what is being spread now based on some apparent indications of the Qur’aan, such as the aayah {And the mountains He has fixed firmly}[5] for example, {And after that He spread the earth}[6] and similar aayaat. They did not understand (and deduce) this opposing rigid opinion from (these aayaat), firstly due to the apparent indications of other (Qur’aanic) texts, and secondly due to astronomical, scientific fact. And the like of the aayah that describes the mountains with respect to the earth to be like anchors with respect to ships does not necessitate linguistically that the earth does not move at all, but rather it negates a disordered movement.[7] And similar to this aayah is the aayah: {And the mountains [We have made] as pegs},[8] because we know by observation that the peg with respect to the animal does not prevent it from moving [i.e, when you tie the animal to the peg], but rather the peg prevents it from moving chaotically such that it would flee and go off however it wants – no, our Lord has arranged the orbiting of the earth like the circulating of the horse around the peg. Hence, Him making the mountains as pegs is contrary to what they claim; it (actually) confirms the movement of the earth, but it confirms a scientific movement that is well-known today to be organized and very precise throughout the year such that it does not change by a single second. Likewise, the anchors don’t prevent the ship from moving.”

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[1] the words that follow were said by the Shaykh upon request from the questioner to explain more on the issue
[2] independent reasoning
[3] Saheeh al-Bukhaari #7352
[4] those who follow the way of the Salaf
[5] Surat un-Naazi’aat, 79:32
[6] Surat un-Naazi’aat, 79:30
[7] also refer to the aayah: “And He has affixed into the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you…;” Surat un-Nahl, 16:15
[8] Surat un-Naba, 78:7
 

Shishani

moderator
Staff member
the shape and orbit of the earth – part 2

source: silsilat ul-hudaa wa nnoor – the series of guidance and light - tape no. 497
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Question #10: “What do you say about the orbiting of the earth?”

Shaykh al-Albaani (rahimahullaah) answers:

“We in fact don’t doubt that the matter of the orbiting of the earth is an indisputable scientific fact. At the same time, we believe that it is not the purpose of the Islamic legislation in general and the Qur’aan specifically to talk about astronomy and its details. Rather, this is included in the generality of (the Prophet’s) saying (‘alayhi ssalaat wa ssalaam) which Muslim brought out in his Saheeh from the narration of Anas bin Maalik (radi Allaahu ‘anhu) about the story of pollinating the date palm trees,[1] when he [sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam] said to them: ‘It was only an opinion of mine, so if I order you to do something concerning your religious affair, then do it as much as you are able, and whatever I order you to do concerning your worldly affairs, then you are more knowledgeable about them.’[2]

So these issues were not obligatory for the Messenger (of Allaah) (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) to talk about, and if he did talk (about them) in his hadeeth or if our Lord, the Mighty and Majestic, did so in His Book, then it is only for (showing) a sign or miracle or the like. Thus, we can say that there isn’t anything in the Book nor in the Sunnah that would contradict this scientific fact that is well-known today, which states that the earth is round and that it runs in an orbit by the Power of Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, in this vast space. Rather, it is possible for the Muslim to find that which suggests, if not clearly states, that the earth is like the sun and the moon because they are all in this space, as He, the Mighty and Majestic, says: {they all float, each in an orbit}; and (this is so) especially if we remember that before this divine statement with the word ‘all,’ (this word) means the three celestial bodies due to the fact that He began with the earth. So He said: {And a sign for them is the dead earth. We give it life, and We bring forth from it grains, so that they eat thereof},[3] then He said: {And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the Decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing / And the moon, We have measured for it mansions (to traverse) till it returns like the old dried curved date stalk / It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit}.[4] The word ‘all’ includes the first aayah: the earth, then the sun, then the moon. Then He, the Most High, says: {They all float, each in an orbit}.

This is what is apparent from the context of these aayaat, which are no doubt amazing aayaat about the dominion of Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic. All of this is while knowing that the scholars of tafseer[5] attributed the term ‘all’ to the closest thing mentioned, which is the sun and the moon. However, there isn’t anything that would ever prevent us from extending the meaning of ‘all’ to include the earth which was mentioned before the sun and the moon.”

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[1] Saheeh Muslim #2363; the Prophet (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) saw people pollinating date palm trees and expressed that it may be good if they did not do so, but after they left doing it, there was a negative impact on date production
[2] the Shaykh also mentioned some extra wordings; refer to Saheeh Muslim #2361, #2362 and Saheeh ibn Maajah #2
[3] Surah Yaa Seen, 36:33
[4] Surah Yaa Seen, 36:38-40
[5] explanation of the Qur’aan
 

Ayanle

Junior Member
brother, could you help me in understanding it in lay man terms? in a summary if you can please

JazakAllahu Khair
 
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