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Is there anyone on here who is experienced in handling or dealing with athiests/evolutionists? As a muslim, I accept an element of evolution which Allah desired as He creates in stages- but of course, we deny that the universe became of itself or that we humans have evolved.
Below is some response I got from a well versed chap in evolution:
Lets pull it appart...
1. "Systems become more disordered over time yet evolutionists state that opposite effect has taken place over time without energy directed"
Closed systems can become more disordered - but life in detail, and the earth's "system" is not closed. If systems become more disordered over time we would not have snowflakes.... they are complexity from simplicity.
2. "However, all systems, whether open or closed, tend to deteriorate. For example, living organisms are open systems but they all decay and die. Also, the universe in total is a closed system."
Well, here is a surprise - old creatures die - and new ones are born. The closed system=entropy argument is false if taken to ad absurdium. The universe is one big system - and we expect, and see fluctations of lesser and more order.
3. "Certainly the application of a blow torch to bicycle parts will not result in a bicycle being assembled - only the careful application of directed energy will, such as from the hands of a person following a plan."
Ah, an old creationist fib. The bottom line is that complexity (or simplicity) can, and does arise (snowflakes, ripples on sand dunes) and yet is in a flux. Is there a careful hand designing each snowflake? Nope. Chemistry
I forgot
4. "Also, the universe in total is a closed system. To say that the chaos of the big bang has transformed itself into the human brain with its 120 trillion connections is a clear violation of the Second Law."
This line mixes so many lines of debate that I don't think you need it answering. Unless of course you want to talk also about chaos, string theory and dark matter as well. Also I could say "to say the chaos of the big bang has transformed itself into brain tumours with 5 trillion cells is a clear violation of the Second Law"
Does anyone have knowledge in this field as well as sciences who can counter the above points?
Many thanks
Is there anyone on here who is experienced in handling or dealing with athiests/evolutionists? As a muslim, I accept an element of evolution which Allah desired as He creates in stages- but of course, we deny that the universe became of itself or that we humans have evolved.
Below is some response I got from a well versed chap in evolution:
Lets pull it appart...
1. "Systems become more disordered over time yet evolutionists state that opposite effect has taken place over time without energy directed"
Closed systems can become more disordered - but life in detail, and the earth's "system" is not closed. If systems become more disordered over time we would not have snowflakes.... they are complexity from simplicity.
2. "However, all systems, whether open or closed, tend to deteriorate. For example, living organisms are open systems but they all decay and die. Also, the universe in total is a closed system."
Well, here is a surprise - old creatures die - and new ones are born. The closed system=entropy argument is false if taken to ad absurdium. The universe is one big system - and we expect, and see fluctations of lesser and more order.
3. "Certainly the application of a blow torch to bicycle parts will not result in a bicycle being assembled - only the careful application of directed energy will, such as from the hands of a person following a plan."
Ah, an old creationist fib. The bottom line is that complexity (or simplicity) can, and does arise (snowflakes, ripples on sand dunes) and yet is in a flux. Is there a careful hand designing each snowflake? Nope. Chemistry
I forgot
4. "Also, the universe in total is a closed system. To say that the chaos of the big bang has transformed itself into the human brain with its 120 trillion connections is a clear violation of the Second Law."
This line mixes so many lines of debate that I don't think you need it answering. Unless of course you want to talk also about chaos, string theory and dark matter as well. Also I could say "to say the chaos of the big bang has transformed itself into brain tumours with 5 trillion cells is a clear violation of the Second Law"
Does anyone have knowledge in this field as well as sciences who can counter the above points?
Many thanks