I would like to know what GOOD attacking against Iraq have gave to Iraqi people. Now when USA troops are going back to they democratic and civilized country, Iraq has received they part about western democracy and Iraq is peaceful country without chaos and terror?
Unfortunately, our language differences prevent me from fully understanding what you are trying to share with me. I truly wish that was not that case. Inshallah your words and thoughts that are contained in them will be made understood to my eyes and mind.
Price about this attack is endless suffering to those babies and they families (and as it is very possible still to many new unborn generations) in the areas like Fallujah where those western heroes have used the depleted uranium and other toxic weapons.
This I DID understand and yes, I feel deeply for all the suffering that this war has brought to the innocent ones. The babies. Here in the states it is not uncommon to hear stories of entire towns destroyed because some companies break the law and do not care for their toxic waste properly. To do what the law demands takes alot of money and some companies are greedy and do not consider the human cost. It is not only the military that used DU tho.
p.s. Bin Laden is not Iraqi - so what he and his actions have to do with making life of those Iraqi babies as living hell?
I apologize for my part in bringing this into this thread. This thread is for the babies, not for "current affairs" that have nothing to do with babies. My exact wording was:
Osama Bin Laden attached the United States. Does this mean he is THE example to look at when a person wants to know what an Arab, defender of Islam, servant of Allah and true believer is?...
....and that was in response to:
...shall i show you the video of the attitude of the U.S soldier that forces every Muslim to fight them .. shall i show you the video of the U.S forces in Iraq using Quran as a target practice ???
...which hassan.raza had said in response to:
Please excuse my ignorance of the Qur'an and Muhammad's (pbuh) teachings but was it not Muhammad (pbuh)that repeated what I *know* Jesus (pbuh) said...something along the lines of "he who is without sin cast the first stone....remove the stye from your own eye, then that of your brother's....remove the plank first from your own eye...leave first and pay your debts to your brother, then prostrate yourself..."
In the end, what matters is that the focus was taken off of the children who need medical care that could improve their quality of life and mental, emotional, financial and educational support for the parents...who, in some of the cases could use medical care themselves. I wonder if Doctor's without Borders could/would help?
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/aboutus/?ref=main-menu
@safiya
safiya said:
this post by sister harb is just to attract notice on the suffering of the people of Falluja due to the american occupation...
JJenGiove said:
Why is it that the USA is the only country remembered for having taken part in the war in Iraq and then in the continued conflict?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq
"Four countries participated with troops during the initial invasion phase, which lasted from March 20 to May 1, 2003. These were the United States (248,000), United Kingdom (45,000), Australia (2,000), and Poland (194). 36 other countries were involved in its aftermath."
safiya said:
And I'm grateful she has posted it because even if we can not fight evil we as muslims will hate it in our hearts.... what will at least make us pray for our brothers/sisters insha´Allah! And this is a sign of Iman...
I completely agree! I only ask that please consider that it is not just Muslims who hate evil.
safiya said:
It is written in a very factual way...!
I'll agree to that statement.
{QUOTE]safiya said:
And nobody here posted any anti-american comment.... we just expressed our condolences....[/QUOTE]
hassan.raz said:
shall i show you the video of the attitude of the U.S soldier that forces every Muslim to fight them .. shall i show you the video of the U.S forces in Iraq
using Quran as a target practice ??? you need more of such U.S attitude ?? it is this attitude of U.S that is creating all the problem .. they need to stay in their place and stop poking their noses in others matter..
i have nothing against the U.S people they do not know about the crimes U.S forces is doing in the secret prison to muslims ...
Is this not an anti-american comment?
safiya said:
So I don´t know why you feel the urge to come to Americas defence...!!! That is ridicules... Have you seen the videos... Have you seen these deformed babies....?
I
only ask for fairness. I am not asking for love or support, just fairness. In the Qur'an it doesn't it state (I wish I knew the ayah) that every Muslim must carry the message of Allah and communicate it to others? That they must defend the teachings by showing verse? You
NOW ask me why I feel the urge to come to the defense of America...?
safiya said:
It was the U.S. who invaded Iraq....
I have already addressed this. The US is the only one remembered simply because the US Government sent in the most troops.
safiya said:
and this decision to occupy Iraq was determined before September 11...
Would you be so kind as to provide proofs? Sept.11th happened in 1991, the invasion of Iraq happened in 2003.....the Gulf War however started prior to 1991. Two different "war" sorta speak.
safiya said:
This war is an unjust war... it is a war started against the innocents.... may there are some good guys among those guys who serve or have served in the US Millitary... but this will not change the fact that they have participated in an unjust war.... they are to be blamed for it.... and they will give account for it.... at the latest on the day of judgement...
1)According to Wikipedia-
The 2003 invasion of Iraq (March 20 – May 1, 2003), was the start of the conflict known as the Iraq War or Operation Iraqi Freedom in which a combined force of troops from the United States, alongside the United Kingdom, and smaller contingents from Australia and Poland invaded Iraq and toppled the regime of Saddam Hussein in 21 days of major combat operations.
2) Once in the military, it is unlawful for a soldier to deny orders. Depending on the level of offense, punishment can range from extra duty to the death penalty. Military personnel no choices and are governed by stricter laws than a civilian.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100528113401AAcHI7D
safiya said:
Many people have lost their lives... many have been tortured... and you can not imagine in what circumstances Iraqis have to live because of this war you call "a war on terror"... I call it a war OF terror...
No, I can't imagine how it is to live like someone else. Can you imagine living here? In my life? In my town? In my traditions and beliefs? No! and I don't expect you too! The most we can try to do is dispel the mountains of incorrect learnings,
on both sides, and pass along the truth about one another, peacefully and without judgment. War IS terrifying and I can not imagine living under the constant fear of that kind of loss of life. My own fear of my life is much different but that's neither here nor there (as we say). Bombs and tanks and soldiers walking the streets is not a life I would wish on ANYONE.
safiya said:
They did not die for muslims.... I believe everyone joining the millitary has done so because of personal reasons... some to get a naturalization... some because of financial reason... But not to save muslim lifes... You are very naive if you believe that...See that is so selfish.... for their own benefit some people are ready to destroy the lives of others....
1) regarding naturalization:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization
Naturalization (or naturalisation) is the acquisition of citizenship and nationality by somebody who was not a citizen or national of that country when he or she was born.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/f/noncitizen.htm
Question: Can a non-U.S. Citizen join the United States Military?
Answer: Yes. A non-citizen can enlist in the military. However, federal law prohibits non-citizens from becoming commission or warrant officers.
In order for a non-citizen to enlist in the military, he/she must first be a legal immigrant (with a green card), permamently residing in the United States. It's important to note that the military cannot and will not assist in the immigration process. One must immigrate first, using normal immigration quotas and procedures, and -- once they've established an address in the United States -- they can find a recruiter's office and apply for enlistment.
2)Regarding financial reasons:
http://www.kaycircle.com/How-much-d...verage-Annual-Corps-Private-Salary-Range-2010
It all really depends on what you are doing and for how long. Yes, there are some governmental benefits but overall, taking into account the lack of communication to families while working in a combat zone, the risk of injury or death....the money isn't a HUGE factor. If the soldier is single, sure, not a bad pay but $53,000 a year with a wife and 1 child is awful.
3)Regarding death: When a soldier enlists in the military, they know that they may be asked to die for whatever purpose the military deems necessary. We never hear about the US soldier who shields the small child from bullets because the soldier knows he is wearing armour and the child is not. You never hear about the soldier who share their rations with the hungry families because he can get more later. Why? Because it is easier to pass along the negative about anyone than the good. That is where we come in. We, humans, people who care about other people who are not like us need to stop the rumors and falsehoods and make gentle corrections in order for truth to emerge. If, in my speech, I have made inadvertently passed along hate, I humbly apologize to everyone here and beg forgiveness from He who is Oft-Forgiving. Truth and understanding is my only goal.
safiya said:
if you want to be one of the good examples than I would advice you to reach out to the oppressed... or at least speak against the aggressive war policy of your country against the muslims...
What makes you think that in my own country, I am not an oppressed person? Persecuted for my own beliefs and traditions? My looks or my manner of speech? What has made you think I have
not spoken out against violence to Muslims?
I am sorry that this reply is so long but I felt deeply that I needed to try and clarify my words and attempt to bring accuracy where there may not have been. If I have angered anyone, I regret that those feeling have been brought out. I used many many quotes because I have been taught by other sisters that in order for truth to be revealed, "proofs" are needed.
Not many of you know what I have been doing this holy month, if anything, or why. Probably some of you are wondering why I'm here at all. I am here just to learn the truth about a people, culture, society and belief that I do not know much about. Without judgment. Without hate.