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In the name of Allah, the Mercy-giving, the Merciful
A Lecture by Ahmed Deedat
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SAY: " DO YOU SEE ?
WHETHER THIS MESSAGE BE FROM ALLAH (God Almighty),
AND YET YOU REJECT IT,
AND A WITNESS FROM AMONG THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BORE
WITNESS OF ONE LIKE HIM......."
(Holy Qur'an 46:10). (see note 1)
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Mr.Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen,
The subject of this eveninig's talk - " What the BIBLE says about
MUHAMMED" will no doubt come as a surprise to many of you because the
speaker is a Muslim. How does it come about that a Muslim happens to
be expounding prophecies from the Jewish and Christian Scriptures ?
As a young man, about 30 years ago, I attended a series of religious
lectures by a Chriatian theologian, a certain Rev. Hiten, at the
"Theatre Royal", Durban in South Africa.
Pope or Kissinger ?:
This Reverend gentleman was expounding Biblical prophecies. He went
on to prove that the Christian Bible foretold the rise of Soviet Russia,
and the Last Days. At one stage he went to the extent of proving that
his Holy Book did not leave even the Pope out of its predictions.
He expatiated vigorously in order to convince his audience that the
"Beast 666" mentioned in the Book of Revelation the last book of the
New Testament was the POPE, who was the Vicar of Christ on earth. It
is not befitting for us Muslims to enter into this controversy between
the Roman Catholics and the Protestants. By the way, the latest Christia
exposition of the "Beast 666" of the Christian Bible is Dr.Henry Kissin-
ger(2). Christian scholars are ingenious and indefatigable in their
efforts to prove their case.
Rev. Hiten's lectures led me to ask that if the Bible foretold so many
things -not even excluding the "Pope" and "Israel",- then surely it must
have something to say about the greatest benefactor of mankind(3) , the
Holy Prophet Muhammed (may the peace of Allah be upon him).
As a youngster I set out to search for an answer. I met priest after
priest, attended lectures, and read everything that I could lay my hands
relating to the fields of Bible prophecies. Tonight Iam going to narrate
to you one of these interviews with a dominee(4) of the Dutch Reformed
Church.
Lucky Thirteen :
I was invited to the Transvaal(5) to deliver a talk on the occasion of
Birthday celebration of the Holy Prophet Muhammed. Knowing that in that
province of the Republic, the Afrikaans language is widely spoken, even
by my own people, I felt that I ought to acquire a smattering of this
language so as to feel a little "at home" with the people. I opened the
telephone directory and began phoning the Afrikaans-speaking Churches.
I indicated my purpose to the priests that I was interested in having
a dialogue with them, but they all refused my request with "Plausible"
excuses. No.13 was my lucky number. The thirteenth call brought me
pleasure and relief. A dominee Van Heerden agreed to meet me at his home
on the Saturday afternoon that I was to leave for Transvaal.
He received me on his verandah with a friendly welcome. He said if I did
not mind, he would like his father-in-law from the Free State (a 70 year
old man) to join us in the discussion. I did not mind. The three of us
settled down in the dominee's library.
Why nothing ?:
I posed the question: "What does the Bible say about Muhummed ?"
Without hesitation he answered, "Nothing!" I asked: "Why nothing?
According to your interpretation the Bible have so many things to say
about the rise of Soviet Russia and about the Last Days and even about
the Pope of the Roman Catholics?" He said, "Yes, but there was nothing
about Muhummed!" I asked again, "Why nothing? Surely this man Muhummed
who had been responsible for the bringing into being a world-wide
community of millions of Believers who, on his authority, believe in:
(1) the miraculous birth of Jesus,
(2) that Jesus is the Messiah,(note 6)
(3) that he gave life to the dead by God's permission,and that he healed
those born blind and the lepers by God's permission.
Surely this book (the Bible) must have something to say about this great
Leader of men who spoke so well of Jesus and his mother Mary?"
The old man from the Free State replied. "My son, I have been reading
the Bible for the past 50 years, and if there was any mention of him, I
would have known it."
Not One by name! :
I enquired: "According to you, are there not hundreds of prophecies
regarding the coming of Jesus in the Old Testament." The dominee inter-
jected: "Not hundreds, but thousands!" I said, "I am not going to disput
the "thousand and one' prophecies in the Old Testament regarding the
coming of Jesus Christ, because the whole Muslim-world has already
accepted him without the testimony of any Biblical prophecy. We Muslims
have accepted the de facto Jesus on the authority of Muhummed alone, and
there are in the world to-day no less than 900,000,000 followers of
Muhummed who love, respect and revere Jesus Christ as a great Messenger
of God without having the Christians to convince them by means of
their Biblical dialectics. Out of the 'thousands' of prophecies referred
to, can you please give me just one single prophecy where Jesus is
mentioned by name ? The term 'Messiah', translated as 'Christ', is not
a name but a title. Is there a single Prophecy where it says that the
name of the Messiah will be JESUS, and that his mother's name will be
MARY, that his supposed father will be JOSEPH THE CARPENTER; that he wil
be born in the reign of HEROD THE KING, etc. etc.? No! There are no such
details! Then how can you conclude that those 'thousand' Prophecies
refer to Jesus (Peace be upon him) ?"
What is Prophecy ?
The dominee replies: "You see, prophecies are word-pictures of some-
thing that is going to happen in the future. When that thing actually
comes to pass, we see vividly in these prophecies the fulfilment of
what had been predicted in the past."I said: "What you actually do is
that you deduce, you reason, you put two and two together."He said:
"Yes." I said: "If this is what you have to do with a 'thousand' prophe-
cies to justify your claim with regards to the genuineness of Jesus,
why should we not adopt the very same system for Muhummed?" The dominee
agreed that it was a fair proposition, a reasonable way of dealing with
the problem.
I asked him to open up Deuteronomy, chapter 18, verse 18, which he did.
I read from memory the verse in Afrikaans, because this was my purpose
in having a little practice with the language of the ruling race in
South Africa. (8)
'N PROFEET SAL EK VIR HULLE VERWEK UIT DIE MIDDE VAN HULLE BROERS, SOOS
JY IS, EN EK SAL MY WOORDE IN SY MOND LE, EN HY SY SAL AAN HULLE SE ALLE
WAT EK HOM BEVEEL. Deut.18: 18.
The English translation reads as follows:-
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
like unto thee,
and I will put my words in his mouth;
and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut.18:18.
Prophet Like Moses :
Having recited the verse in Afrikaans, I apologised for my uncertain
pronunciation, The dominee assured me that I was doing fine. I enquired:
"To whom does this prophecy refer?" Without the slightest hesitation he
answered: "JESUS!" I asked:"Why Jesus_ his name is not mentioned here:"
The dominee replied: "Since prophecies are word-pictures of something
that is going to happen in the future, we find that the wordings of this
verse adequately describe him. You see the most important words of this
prophecy are 'SOOS JY IS' (like unto thee),- LIKE YOU- like Moses, and
Jesus is like Moses. I questioned: "In which way is Jesus like Moses?"
The answer was:"In the first place Moses was a JEW and Jesus was also a
JEW; secondly, Moses was a PROPHET and Jesus was also a PROPHET- therefo
Jesus is like Moses and that is exactly what God had foretold Moses-
"SOOS JY IS". "Can you think of any other similarities between Moses and
Jesus?" I asked. The dominee said that he could not think of any.
I replied: "If these are the only two criteria for discovering a candi-
date for this prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:18, then in that case the
criteria could fit any one of the following Biblical personages after
Moses:- Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John
the Baptist etc., because they were also ALL Jews as well as Prophets.
Why should we not apply this prophency to any one of these prophets,
and why only to Jesus? Why should we make fish of one and fowl of
another?"The dominee had no reply. I continued: "You see, my conclusions
are that Jesus is most unlike Moses, and if I am wrong I would like you
to correct me."
Three Unlikes :
So staying, I reasoned with him: In the FIRST place Jesus is not like
Moses, because, according to you- 'JESUS IS A GOD', but Moses is not God
Is this true?" He said: "Yes." I said: "Therefore Jesus is not like
Moses! "SECONDLY, according to you - 'JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE -
WORLD', but Moses did not have to die for the sins of the world. Is this
true?" He again said: "Yes." I said: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!
"THIRDLY, according to you - 'JESUS WENT TO HELL FOR THREE DAYS', but
Moses did not have to go there. Is this true?" He answered meekly:
"Y-e-s." I concluded: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!"
"But dominee," I continued: "these are not hard facts, solid facts,
they are mere matters of belief over which the little ones can stumble
and fall. Let us discuss something very simple, very easy that if your
little ones are called in to hear the discussion, would have no diffi-
culty in following it, shall we?" The dominee was quiet happy at the
suggestion.
Father and Mother
(1) "Moses had a father and a mother. Muhummed also had a father and a
mother. But Jesus had only a mother, and no human father. Is this true?"
He said: "Yes." I said: DAAROM IS JESUS NIE SOOS MOSES NIE, MAAR
MUHUMMED IS SOOS MOSES!" Meaning: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses,
but Muhummed is like Moses!" (By now the reader will realise that I was
using the Afrikaans language only for practice purposes. I shall discon-
tinue its use in this narration).
Miraculous Birth :
(2) "Moses and Muhummed were born in the normal, natural course, i.e.the
physical association of man and woman; but Jesus was created by a specia
miracle. You will recall that we are told in the Gospel of St.Matthew
1:18".....BEFORE THEY CAME TOGETHER,(Joseph the Carpenter and Mary) SHE
WAS FOUND WITH CHILD BY THE HOLY GHOST.' And St.Luke tells us that when
the good news of the birth of a holy son was announded to her, Mary
reasoned:'.......HOW SHALL THIS BE, SEEING I KNOW NOT A MAN? AND THE
ANGEL ANSWERED AND SAID UNTO HER, THE HOLY GHOST SHALL COME UPON THEE,
AND THE POWER OF THE HIGHEST SHALL OVERSHADOW THEE:......'(Luke 1:35).
The Holy Qur'an confirms the miraculous birth of Jesus, in nobler and
sublimer terms. In answer to her logical question:
" O MY LORD! HOW SHALL I HAVE A SON WHEN NO MAN HATH TOUCHED ME? "
The angel says in reply:
"EVEN SO:
ALLAH CREATETH WHAT HE WILLETH:
WHEN HE HATH DECREED A PLAN,
HE BUT SAITH TO IT "BE,"
AND IT IS " (9) (HOLY QUR'AN, 3:47).
It is not necessary for God to plant a seed in man or animal. He
merely wills it and it comes into being. This is the Muslim conception f the
of birth of Jesus .
(When I compared the Qur'an and the Biblical versions of the
birth of Jesus to the head of the Bible Society in our largest City, and
when I enquired:, "Which version would you prefer to give your daughter,
the QUR'ANIC version or the BIBLICAL version?" The man bowed his head
and answered: "The Qur'anic.") In short, I said to the dominee: "Is it
true that Jesus was born miraculously as against the natural birth of
Moses and Muhummed?"He replied proudly:"Yes!" I said:"Therefore Jesus
is not like Moses, but Muhummed is like Moses. And God says to Moses in
the Book of Deuteronomy 18:18 "LIKE UNTO THEE" (Like You, Like Moses)
and Muhummed is like Moses."
Marriage Ties
(3) "Moses and Muhummed married and begat chil
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In the name of Allah, the Mercy-giving, the Merciful
A Lecture by Ahmed Deedat
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SAY: " DO YOU SEE ?
WHETHER THIS MESSAGE BE FROM ALLAH (God Almighty),
AND YET YOU REJECT IT,
AND A WITNESS FROM AMONG THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BORE
WITNESS OF ONE LIKE HIM......."
(Holy Qur'an 46:10). (see note 1)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mr.Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen,
The subject of this eveninig's talk - " What the BIBLE says about
MUHAMMED" will no doubt come as a surprise to many of you because the
speaker is a Muslim. How does it come about that a Muslim happens to
be expounding prophecies from the Jewish and Christian Scriptures ?
As a young man, about 30 years ago, I attended a series of religious
lectures by a Chriatian theologian, a certain Rev. Hiten, at the
"Theatre Royal", Durban in South Africa.
Pope or Kissinger ?:
This Reverend gentleman was expounding Biblical prophecies. He went
on to prove that the Christian Bible foretold the rise of Soviet Russia,
and the Last Days. At one stage he went to the extent of proving that
his Holy Book did not leave even the Pope out of its predictions.
He expatiated vigorously in order to convince his audience that the
"Beast 666" mentioned in the Book of Revelation the last book of the
New Testament was the POPE, who was the Vicar of Christ on earth. It
is not befitting for us Muslims to enter into this controversy between
the Roman Catholics and the Protestants. By the way, the latest Christia
exposition of the "Beast 666" of the Christian Bible is Dr.Henry Kissin-
ger(2). Christian scholars are ingenious and indefatigable in their
efforts to prove their case.
Rev. Hiten's lectures led me to ask that if the Bible foretold so many
things -not even excluding the "Pope" and "Israel",- then surely it must
have something to say about the greatest benefactor of mankind(3) , the
Holy Prophet Muhammed (may the peace of Allah be upon him).
As a youngster I set out to search for an answer. I met priest after
priest, attended lectures, and read everything that I could lay my hands
relating to the fields of Bible prophecies. Tonight Iam going to narrate
to you one of these interviews with a dominee(4) of the Dutch Reformed
Church.
Lucky Thirteen :
I was invited to the Transvaal(5) to deliver a talk on the occasion of
Birthday celebration of the Holy Prophet Muhammed. Knowing that in that
province of the Republic, the Afrikaans language is widely spoken, even
by my own people, I felt that I ought to acquire a smattering of this
language so as to feel a little "at home" with the people. I opened the
telephone directory and began phoning the Afrikaans-speaking Churches.
I indicated my purpose to the priests that I was interested in having
a dialogue with them, but they all refused my request with "Plausible"
excuses. No.13 was my lucky number. The thirteenth call brought me
pleasure and relief. A dominee Van Heerden agreed to meet me at his home
on the Saturday afternoon that I was to leave for Transvaal.
He received me on his verandah with a friendly welcome. He said if I did
not mind, he would like his father-in-law from the Free State (a 70 year
old man) to join us in the discussion. I did not mind. The three of us
settled down in the dominee's library.
Why nothing ?:
I posed the question: "What does the Bible say about Muhummed ?"
Without hesitation he answered, "Nothing!" I asked: "Why nothing?
According to your interpretation the Bible have so many things to say
about the rise of Soviet Russia and about the Last Days and even about
the Pope of the Roman Catholics?" He said, "Yes, but there was nothing
about Muhummed!" I asked again, "Why nothing? Surely this man Muhummed
who had been responsible for the bringing into being a world-wide
community of millions of Believers who, on his authority, believe in:
(1) the miraculous birth of Jesus,
(2) that Jesus is the Messiah,(note 6)
(3) that he gave life to the dead by God's permission,and that he healed
those born blind and the lepers by God's permission.
Surely this book (the Bible) must have something to say about this great
Leader of men who spoke so well of Jesus and his mother Mary?"
The old man from the Free State replied. "My son, I have been reading
the Bible for the past 50 years, and if there was any mention of him, I
would have known it."
Not One by name! :
I enquired: "According to you, are there not hundreds of prophecies
regarding the coming of Jesus in the Old Testament." The dominee inter-
jected: "Not hundreds, but thousands!" I said, "I am not going to disput
the "thousand and one' prophecies in the Old Testament regarding the
coming of Jesus Christ, because the whole Muslim-world has already
accepted him without the testimony of any Biblical prophecy. We Muslims
have accepted the de facto Jesus on the authority of Muhummed alone, and
there are in the world to-day no less than 900,000,000 followers of
Muhummed who love, respect and revere Jesus Christ as a great Messenger
of God without having the Christians to convince them by means of
their Biblical dialectics. Out of the 'thousands' of prophecies referred
to, can you please give me just one single prophecy where Jesus is
mentioned by name ? The term 'Messiah', translated as 'Christ', is not
a name but a title. Is there a single Prophecy where it says that the
name of the Messiah will be JESUS, and that his mother's name will be
MARY, that his supposed father will be JOSEPH THE CARPENTER; that he wil
be born in the reign of HEROD THE KING, etc. etc.? No! There are no such
details! Then how can you conclude that those 'thousand' Prophecies
refer to Jesus (Peace be upon him) ?"
What is Prophecy ?
The dominee replies: "You see, prophecies are word-pictures of some-
thing that is going to happen in the future. When that thing actually
comes to pass, we see vividly in these prophecies the fulfilment of
what had been predicted in the past."I said: "What you actually do is
that you deduce, you reason, you put two and two together."He said:
"Yes." I said: "If this is what you have to do with a 'thousand' prophe-
cies to justify your claim with regards to the genuineness of Jesus,
why should we not adopt the very same system for Muhummed?" The dominee
agreed that it was a fair proposition, a reasonable way of dealing with
the problem.
I asked him to open up Deuteronomy, chapter 18, verse 18, which he did.
I read from memory the verse in Afrikaans, because this was my purpose
in having a little practice with the language of the ruling race in
South Africa. (8)
'N PROFEET SAL EK VIR HULLE VERWEK UIT DIE MIDDE VAN HULLE BROERS, SOOS
JY IS, EN EK SAL MY WOORDE IN SY MOND LE, EN HY SY SAL AAN HULLE SE ALLE
WAT EK HOM BEVEEL. Deut.18: 18.
The English translation reads as follows:-
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
like unto thee,
and I will put my words in his mouth;
and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut.18:18.
Prophet Like Moses :
Having recited the verse in Afrikaans, I apologised for my uncertain
pronunciation, The dominee assured me that I was doing fine. I enquired:
"To whom does this prophecy refer?" Without the slightest hesitation he
answered: "JESUS!" I asked:"Why Jesus_ his name is not mentioned here:"
The dominee replied: "Since prophecies are word-pictures of something
that is going to happen in the future, we find that the wordings of this
verse adequately describe him. You see the most important words of this
prophecy are 'SOOS JY IS' (like unto thee),- LIKE YOU- like Moses, and
Jesus is like Moses. I questioned: "In which way is Jesus like Moses?"
The answer was:"In the first place Moses was a JEW and Jesus was also a
JEW; secondly, Moses was a PROPHET and Jesus was also a PROPHET- therefo
Jesus is like Moses and that is exactly what God had foretold Moses-
"SOOS JY IS". "Can you think of any other similarities between Moses and
Jesus?" I asked. The dominee said that he could not think of any.
I replied: "If these are the only two criteria for discovering a candi-
date for this prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:18, then in that case the
criteria could fit any one of the following Biblical personages after
Moses:- Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John
the Baptist etc., because they were also ALL Jews as well as Prophets.
Why should we not apply this prophency to any one of these prophets,
and why only to Jesus? Why should we make fish of one and fowl of
another?"The dominee had no reply. I continued: "You see, my conclusions
are that Jesus is most unlike Moses, and if I am wrong I would like you
to correct me."
Three Unlikes :
So staying, I reasoned with him: In the FIRST place Jesus is not like
Moses, because, according to you- 'JESUS IS A GOD', but Moses is not God
Is this true?" He said: "Yes." I said: "Therefore Jesus is not like
Moses! "SECONDLY, according to you - 'JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE -
WORLD', but Moses did not have to die for the sins of the world. Is this
true?" He again said: "Yes." I said: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!
"THIRDLY, according to you - 'JESUS WENT TO HELL FOR THREE DAYS', but
Moses did not have to go there. Is this true?" He answered meekly:
"Y-e-s." I concluded: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!"
"But dominee," I continued: "these are not hard facts, solid facts,
they are mere matters of belief over which the little ones can stumble
and fall. Let us discuss something very simple, very easy that if your
little ones are called in to hear the discussion, would have no diffi-
culty in following it, shall we?" The dominee was quiet happy at the
suggestion.
Father and Mother
(1) "Moses had a father and a mother. Muhummed also had a father and a
mother. But Jesus had only a mother, and no human father. Is this true?"
He said: "Yes." I said: DAAROM IS JESUS NIE SOOS MOSES NIE, MAAR
MUHUMMED IS SOOS MOSES!" Meaning: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses,
but Muhummed is like Moses!" (By now the reader will realise that I was
using the Afrikaans language only for practice purposes. I shall discon-
tinue its use in this narration).
Miraculous Birth :
(2) "Moses and Muhummed were born in the normal, natural course, i.e.the
physical association of man and woman; but Jesus was created by a specia
miracle. You will recall that we are told in the Gospel of St.Matthew
1:18".....BEFORE THEY CAME TOGETHER,(Joseph the Carpenter and Mary) SHE
WAS FOUND WITH CHILD BY THE HOLY GHOST.' And St.Luke tells us that when
the good news of the birth of a holy son was announded to her, Mary
reasoned:'.......HOW SHALL THIS BE, SEEING I KNOW NOT A MAN? AND THE
ANGEL ANSWERED AND SAID UNTO HER, THE HOLY GHOST SHALL COME UPON THEE,
AND THE POWER OF THE HIGHEST SHALL OVERSHADOW THEE:......'(Luke 1:35).
The Holy Qur'an confirms the miraculous birth of Jesus, in nobler and
sublimer terms. In answer to her logical question:
" O MY LORD! HOW SHALL I HAVE A SON WHEN NO MAN HATH TOUCHED ME? "
The angel says in reply:
"EVEN SO:
ALLAH CREATETH WHAT HE WILLETH:
WHEN HE HATH DECREED A PLAN,
HE BUT SAITH TO IT "BE,"
AND IT IS " (9) (HOLY QUR'AN, 3:47).
It is not necessary for God to plant a seed in man or animal. He
merely wills it and it comes into being. This is the Muslim conception f the
of birth of Jesus .
(When I compared the Qur'an and the Biblical versions of the
birth of Jesus to the head of the Bible Society in our largest City, and
when I enquired:, "Which version would you prefer to give your daughter,
the QUR'ANIC version or the BIBLICAL version?" The man bowed his head
and answered: "The Qur'anic.") In short, I said to the dominee: "Is it
true that Jesus was born miraculously as against the natural birth of
Moses and Muhummed?"He replied proudly:"Yes!" I said:"Therefore Jesus
is not like Moses, but Muhummed is like Moses. And God says to Moses in
the Book of Deuteronomy 18:18 "LIKE UNTO THEE" (Like You, Like Moses)
and Muhummed is like Moses."
Marriage Ties
(3) "Moses and Muhummed married and begat chil
