Cariad, post: 647806, member: 108226"]
What's the test?
Blessed is He in whose hand is the sovereignty, and Who has power over everything.
He who created death and life-to test you-as to which of you is better in conduct. He is the Almighty, the Forgiving (67:1-2)
Yes, I am aware of the stories of the prophets in the Qur'an, the accounts of the prophets in the Qur'an seem incomplete. The changes made from the Bible accounts may appear to be small but sometimes have bigger consequences.
Qur'an has been revealed to correct the corruption of previously altered texts. So, stories are mainly the same, changes were made where necessary.
Why has Mary a sura named for her?That puzzled me.
Because, the chapter tells us the real story of Marry and how christians distorted the massage.
And some of the very few stories of Yeshua were first found in the Gnostics which were not written for hundreds of years after Yeshua.. And have no provenance. Then why are they in Qur'an?
Again, it is to tell the real story of Jesus. Why in the Qur'an? Well, i assumed you understand that all the Massangers of Allah from Adam to Muhammad we accept and respect. Allah tells us their stories so that we take lessons and do not repeat their followers mistakes. If the stories weren't relevant to us, it would't be in the Qur'an. Simple as that.
Yes, I see that. If God sends a message that He means you to follow would He make it so difficult for one to understand? Maybe God sends His message differently to different peoples according to their understanding.
Again, you are implying that it is difficult to understand Qur'an and i do not agree. And, God's massage never changes from people to people or according to ages. I hope you understand, from islamic perspective, the massage has been the same from begening to end which is islam.
There is no choice as we inherited a sin nature from Adam our father of humanity. Yes, Adam was the first sinner and we all suffer the consequences of that first sin.
Again, islam and your faith conflicts here. We do not inherited the sin. We are not responsible for what Adam did so there is no suffering here. It is the way Allah created us that we are prone to both sins and good deeds. Actually, He created us in a way that we are more prone to follow His path. Deep inside, we feel better when we do good, and we feel bad when we sin. By the way, Adam had repented and had been forgiven by Allah for his sin.
Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.(2:37)
You say what would I have my God do? Dismiss him? Yes.. Exactly that, and that is what the Bible teaches God did.
Then, you believe a God that lacks "love". But, wait, your "love" comes from Yeshua, right.
Adam and Eve were given the chance to redeem themselves and mankind. As sin came into the world through the first Adam its solution comes through the last Adam (Yeshua) that's why Yeshua had to be born of woman... But not of man.
Sorry, that makes no sense to me.
17 The Lord God said to Adam, “You listened to your wife’s suggestion. You ate fruit from the tree I warned you about. I said, ‘You must not eat its fruit.’
According to islam, Adam and his wife are equaly responsible for the sin.
That's why it does not seem logical to me for God just to forgive all sin, where is Gods divine justice there?
Let me be clear here. When we say Allah forgives all sins, it requires certain conditions. First, you have to accept your sin and feel really sorry for it and be determined not to do it again and repent Allah. Even then, as a muslim, you can't be sure that you are forgiven. That is why, muslims should be in a state of between "hope" and "fear". We fear because we are sinners, we hope that Allah is the merciful. And that should force a muslim to do better constantly.
We have hope in the Christ, so it's different for christians I guess. We are under grace not law. Yeshua fulfilled the law. Make no mistake there has to be repentance, without it we are not worthy of Gids Grace and for that we would rightly deserve a Christless eternity devoid of Gods love.
That is where you are so wrong, i think. You attribute a deficiency to God and you try to fulfill it with Yeshua, or Christ. That is associating partners with god, giving His attributions to someone else. You need to think about it.
We don't hope for rewards for avoiding sin. If we follow Yeshuas commandments then we understand that striving to avoid sin is pleasing to God.
Again, that is associating partners with the Creator. The commandments belong to the Creator. And, pleasing God means doing what He wants us to do and avoiding things that He forbid. That pleases Him and is best for our happiness.
We try to live our life to the glory of God. At times we may fail, God knows that... That's why He sent Yeshua as Saviour.
He send Jesus and All His massangers to show you the truth, his right path.
I know there is nothing I can do of my person to effect my salvation, I rely totally on Gods grace.
Sooo wrong, you are the one who will do good or bad and you will be judged according to your deeds. You are contradicting to yourself here. Once you say "it does not seem logical to me for God just to forgive all sin" and later you say "I rely totally on Gods grace".
I am happy in this as I know God is just, as He is merciful but most of all God is love. That is the most important thing the other is God wants relationship with us.
Mercy comes from love. God is not "love" but God loves us all.
I will repeat again that You need to think about your perception of the Creator. He does not need anyone or anything as a bridge between Him and his creation. Our "saviour" is our God. I hope you think about it.
Peace that you always know Gods love.
Fortunataly, i know Allah's love to his creation. Peace to you as well.