who is tariq jamil?

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0mm3afnan
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could you please tell me about tariq jamil.............i mean who is he,what aqeedah he has ,etc. i just wantd to know about him.my friend is a die heart fan of him.
so it made me curious about him.
 

muslim forever

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:salam2:
he is from pakistan and belongs to a group called TABLIGH JAMAAT part of the duo bands hanafi madab all talk r in urdu

a good scolar and very dedicated in wat he belives in

u can listen to him on
www.nazmay.com
 

gangstaat

Allah Hu Akbar
AWESOME lecturer and amazing scholar.
a couple of days ago there was an ijtimah(lots of people gather in a city called raiwand) and too many speeches on islam happen there once almost every year.
He is really really motivational speaker. My dad went to that ijtimah aswell.
 

Ghareebah

Bint Abdulkadir
salam alaykum

i advice you donot listen or involve yourselves with this dveiant group ..please read the the fatawa below

Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh (Tablighi Jamat)

Name of group - Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh, also known as Tablighi Jamat
Adherent to group - Tableeghee, also known as Tablighi, or T.J.

The da'wah of the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh is based upon spreading the merits of Islaam to everyone they are able to reach. This entails it's adherents to give up some of their time to go out and spread and propogate the da'wah keeping well away from political and partisan issues.

It's members are compelled into going out (khurooj) to give da'wah and mix with the Muslims in their masaajid, houses and businesses and give words of advice and encourage them to come out with them to give da'wah.

They advise that no members should get themselves involved in any quarrels with the Muslims or the government.

Foundation and major personalities

- The founder was called Shaykh Muhammad Ilyaas al-Kaandahlawee who was born in Kaandahlah, a village in the region of Sahaaranfoor in India in 1303 A.H. (1887 C.E.) (died 1364 A.H. / 1948 C.E.).

Initially, he sought knowledge in this village, then later travelled to Delhi where he completed his studies at the Madrasah Deoband which is amongst the biggest Hanafee schools in the Indian sub-continent, which was setup in the year 1283 A.H. (1867 C.E.).

He also sought knowledge under the guardianship of his older brother, Shaykh Muhammad Yahya, who was a teacher at the Madrasah Mathaahir al-'Uloom in Sahaaranfoor.

Later, he studied under Shaykh Ashraf 'Alee Thanwee (1280 A.H. (1863 C.E.) - 1364 A.H. (1943 C.E.)), who was known to them as ((Hakeem al-Ummah)).

Likewise, he also studied under Shaykh Mahmood Hasan (1268 A.H. (1851 C.E.) - 1339 A.H. (1920 C.E.)) who was amongst the major scholars of the Madrasah Deoband and the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh.

As for Shaykh Rasheed Ahmad al-Kankoohee, born in 1829 C.E. (died 1905 C.E.); Shaykh Muhammad Ilyaas actually gave bay'ah (oath of allegiance) to him in 1315 A.H. (1899 C.E.).

He later renewed his bay'ah (oath of allegiance) to Shaykh Khaleel Ahmad as-Sahaaranfooree who was one of the scholars of the Deobandiyyah group.

- Shaykh 'Abdur-Raheem Shaah ad-Deobandee at-Tableeghee spent alot of time in organising the affaris of the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh along with Muhammad Ilyaas and his son Shaykh Muhammad Yoosuf after him.

- Shaykh Ihtishaam al-Hasan al-Kaandahlawee married the sister of Muhammad Ilyaas, and spent a long time commanding the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh whilst in the companionship of Shaykh Muhammad Ilyaas, its founder.

Thoughts and beliefs

The founder stipulated six maxims which he established as the fundamentals of his da'wah, with all members taking care to memorise them and propogate them in their da'wah efforts:

1) al-Kalimah at-Tayyibah (declaration of faith - ((Laa ilaaha il-Allaah Muhammad Rasool-Allaah))) ;

2) al-Khushoo' fis-salaah (offering prayers with full concentration);

3) al-'Ilm wadh-Dhikr (knowledge and remembrance);

4) Ikraam al-Muslimeen (honouring the Muslims);

5) al-Ikhlaas (sincerity);

6) al-Khurooj fee sabeel-Allaah (going out in the path of Allaah).

Their manner of propogating their da'wah is as follows:

A group from amongst them is designated to go to a particular area/town/country, whereby each member of the goup takes with them basic means upon which to sleep and other basic items which shall suffice.

When they arrive at their destination, they organise themselves in a manner whereby some of them begin cleaning the place where they shall be resting during their stay in the area; Whilst others amongst them will go out to the market places and the like remembering Allaah and calling the people to listen to their talk (bayaan - as they call it).

When the time for the bayaan arrives, they all gather together to listen to it. And after the bayaan has finished, they request members of the gathering to come out with them in the path of Allaah. And after Salaat al-Fajr, they divide the group of people who are present into groups where a group leader is appointed for each group. Then the group leader undertakes the responsibility of teaching his group members Soorah al-Faatihah and other small Soorah's of the Qur.aan. They continue in this way day in day out.

Before their period of stay is over, they encourage the people of the area to come out with them to spread their da'wah, such that some people volunteer to join them for three days or a week or a month. Each one according to his ability and circumstances, their giving up their time in accordance with the saying of Allaah:

{You are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind}, [Soorah Aal-'Imraan, Aayah 110].

And the preferred time for going out is a day in a week, and three days in a month and 40 days in a year and 4 months in a lifetime.

- They refuse invitations to attend social functions made by the people of the area they have settled in for their period of da'wah; their intention being not to busy themselves with anything other than issues of da'wah and remembrance, and that their actions are soley for the sake of Allaah.

- They do not interfere in issues of forbidding the evil, believing they are at the stage of establishing an appropriate climate for Islaamic living, and that if they were to involve themselves in such issues, then this would place obstacles in their way and turn the people away from their da'wah.

- They believe that if they correct their individuals (members) one-by-one then the evil will be automatically eradicated from amongst the masses.

- That going out and propogating their da'wah da'wah to the people helps in nurturing the da'ee and cultivating his actions, such that he feels he is an example for others to follow and that he adheres to that which he is calling the people to.

- They believe that blind following a madhhab is obligatory, and they do not permit ijtihaad, believing that the conditions of a mujtahid (one who is qualified to make ijtihaad) are not present amongst the scholars of this time.

- They have been affected by the ways of the Soofiyyah, whose da'wah is widespread in the Indian sub-continent. For example:

- It is imperative for every member of the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh to have a Shaykh to whom he makes bay'ah (oath of allegiance) to, and whoever was to die whilst not having made bay'ah, then he has died the death of those in pre-Islaam. And often is the case that the bay'ah takes place in a public gathering so as to encourage all present to do likewise and give them all an impression that they are all in this together as one group. And the same is done amongst the women also.

- Excessive love and respect is shown to the Shaykh to whom bay'ah has been given, as is excessive love shown to the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam), that which often takes them out of the fold of displaying appropriate respect to the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam).

- Their belief that the way of the Soofiyyah is the closest way to taste the sweetness of eemaan in the heart.

- Their being taught the names of the major personalities of the Soofiyyah such as 'Abdul-Qaadir al-Jeelaanee, who was born in Jeelaan in 470 A.H., and also as-Sahrooree, and Abu Mansoor al-Maatureedee who died in 332 A.H., and Jalaal ad-Deen ar-Roomee who was born in 604 A.H., who wrote the book al-Mathnawee.

- They have been affected by the way of the Soofiyyah, in particular the Chishtiyyah, the Qaadiriyyah, the Naqshbandiyyah and the Sahroordiyyah in India.

- There are some members who claim to have adopted the thoughts of the Jamaa'ah an-Noor of Turkey.

- Their da'wah is based upon the arousal of interest and intimidation combined, and thereby causing emotive and affective feelings. They have, thereby managed to enlist in the name of eemaan, many who have immersed themselves into sins and desires, and have directed them to worship and remembrance.

- They do not speak about political issues, and discourage their members from getting involved in these problematic issues, criticising those who do get involved. They say that politics is to leave politics.

- They misinterpret the ahaadeeth pertaining to jihaad, claiming it means to go out and give da'wah, this being to such an extent that their members quite possibly have forgotten about the real meaning of jihaad in the path of Allaah.

- They are very lenient when it comes to narrating weak ahaadeeth.

- Their main points of reference appear to be the Qur.aan and the Sunnah, however, in terms of 'aqeedah, they turn to the understandings of their founding Shaykhs of the Indian sub-continent, and that being the 'aqeedah of the Maatureediyyah upon the Hanafee madhhab.

- In the Arab lands they make a point of referring to Imaam an-Nawawee's Riyaadh as-Saaliheen, whereas in non-Arab lands they refer to the Tableeghee Nisaab (Tablighi Nisab) and Hayaah as-Sahaabah (Hayat Al-Sahabah), and this being full of incorrect information and weak ahaadeeth.

Their da'wah began in India, and then spread to Pakistan and Bangladesh, then later spreading to the rest of the Islaamic world, even in Arabia - such that they now have followers in Syria, Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon, Egypt, Sudan, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

They also have followers in Europe, America, Asia and Africa.

Their worldwide headquarters is in Nizaamuddeen in Delhi, where they administer their da'wah affairs worldwide. Their headquarters in the western world is in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, UK.

Further reading
al-Mawsoo'ah al-Harakiyyah - Fat.hee Yakun;
Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh, aqeedatuhaa wa afkaar mashaayikhihaa - Mian Muhammad Aslam al-Pakistaanee (research paper submitted to the Faculty of Sharee'ah at the Islaamic University of Madeenah in 1976 C.E.);
at-Tareeq ilaa Jamaa'ah al-Muslimeen - Husayn ibn Muhsin ibn 'Alee ibn Jaabir;
Mushkilaat ad-Da'wah wad-Daa'iyah - Fat.hee Yakun;
as-SIraaj al-Muneer - Dr. Taqqee ad-Deen al-Hilaalee;
ad-Da'wah al-Islaamiyyah fareedah Shar'iyyah wa daroorah bashariyyah - Dr. Saadiq Ameen;
Haqeeqatud-Da'wah ilaa Allaah Ta'aala wa maa ikhtassat bihi Jazeeratul-'Arab - Sa'd ibn 'Abdur-Rahmaan al-Husayn (introduction by Shaykh Saalih ibn Fowzaan);
Ra.yu aakhar fee Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh - Sa'd al-Husayn.

http://www.fatwa-online.com/deviantgroups/jamaaahattableegh/0010101.htm
 

gangstaat

Allah Hu Akbar
^^^^^^^^^
i've never heard tariq jamil guy talking about anything but the Quran and Sunnah.
no politics no nothing.
well there might be other black fish that's making it look wrong.
tabligi jamaat in urdu means the people that do tableeg as in da'waa.
tableegi jamaat is supposed to be a good thing and its supposed to be doing da'waa
 

gangstaat

Allah Hu Akbar
i've gone with tableeg jamaat in america 3 times 3 days each. once to delaware once new jersey and once uptown ny
basically u can go for 3 days 40 days or 4 months.
every day u pray, read Quran listen to islamic speeches and do da'waa.
and trust me it really influenced me and has turned me into a better muslim.
before going with jamaat i didnt knew much about islam and that was one spark i needed.
My uncle took me with him to jamaat.
 

gangstaat

Allah Hu Akbar
Tableeghi Jamaat (organisation in English) is not a registered party, group or organisation as such; therefore there is no membership.

Even the name 'Tableeghi Jamaat' was not given by any of the scholars who are involved it; it is affectionately called that in India/Pakistan becauase the group is involved in Tableegh (Dawah: propagation of Islam).

Tableegh (Dawah: propagation of Islam) is a DUTY on all Muslims & it is born out of many verses of the Qu'raan and Ahadeeth, such as:

And whose words can be better than his, who calls (people) towards Allah, and performs good deeds, and says: " I am one of those who submit to Allah

"(O Prophet! Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) preach to them (the Truth), for preaching proves very beneficial for the Believers

O Muslims! there must be a group among you who would invite people to Good; and would command them to do good deeds, and would prevent them from forbidden things; and these are the people who will attain salvation. " (Surah Aal-i - Imran: 104)
 

muharram23

New Member
Staff member
salam alaykum

i advice you donot listen or involve yourselves with this dveiant group ..please read the the fatawa below

Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh (Tablighi Jamat)

Name of group - Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh, also known as Tablighi Jamat
Adherent to group - Tableeghee, also known as Tablighi, or T.J.

The da'wah of the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh is based upon spreading the merits of Islaam to everyone they are able to reach. This entails it's adherents to give up some of their time to go out and spread and propogate the da'wah keeping well away from political and partisan issues.

It's members are compelled into going out (khurooj) to give da'wah and mix with the Muslims in their masaajid, houses and businesses and give words of advice and encourage them to come out with them to give da'wah.

They advise that no members should get themselves involved in any quarrels with the Muslims or the government.

Foundation and major personalities

- The founder was called Shaykh Muhammad Ilyaas al-Kaandahlawee who was born in Kaandahlah, a village in the region of Sahaaranfoor in India in 1303 A.H. (1887 C.E.) (died 1364 A.H. / 1948 C.E.).

Initially, he sought knowledge in this village, then later travelled to Delhi where he completed his studies at the Madrasah Deoband which is amongst the biggest Hanafee schools in the Indian sub-continent, which was setup in the year 1283 A.H. (1867 C.E.).

He also sought knowledge under the guardianship of his older brother, Shaykh Muhammad Yahya, who was a teacher at the Madrasah Mathaahir al-'Uloom in Sahaaranfoor.

Later, he studied under Shaykh Ashraf 'Alee Thanwee (1280 A.H. (1863 C.E.) - 1364 A.H. (1943 C.E.)), who was known to them as ((Hakeem al-Ummah)).

Likewise, he also studied under Shaykh Mahmood Hasan (1268 A.H. (1851 C.E.) - 1339 A.H. (1920 C.E.)) who was amongst the major scholars of the Madrasah Deoband and the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh.

As for Shaykh Rasheed Ahmad al-Kankoohee, born in 1829 C.E. (died 1905 C.E.); Shaykh Muhammad Ilyaas actually gave bay'ah (oath of allegiance) to him in 1315 A.H. (1899 C.E.).

He later renewed his bay'ah (oath of allegiance) to Shaykh Khaleel Ahmad as-Sahaaranfooree who was one of the scholars of the Deobandiyyah group.

- Shaykh 'Abdur-Raheem Shaah ad-Deobandee at-Tableeghee spent alot of time in organising the affaris of the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh along with Muhammad Ilyaas and his son Shaykh Muhammad Yoosuf after him.

- Shaykh Ihtishaam al-Hasan al-Kaandahlawee married the sister of Muhammad Ilyaas, and spent a long time commanding the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh whilst in the companionship of Shaykh Muhammad Ilyaas, its founder.

Thoughts and beliefs

The founder stipulated six maxims which he established as the fundamentals of his da'wah, with all members taking care to memorise them and propogate them in their da'wah efforts:

1) al-Kalimah at-Tayyibah (declaration of faith - ((Laa ilaaha il-Allaah Muhammad Rasool-Allaah))) ;

2) al-Khushoo' fis-salaah (offering prayers with full concentration);

3) al-'Ilm wadh-Dhikr (knowledge and remembrance);

4) Ikraam al-Muslimeen (honouring the Muslims);

5) al-Ikhlaas (sincerity);

6) al-Khurooj fee sabeel-Allaah (going out in the path of Allaah).

Their manner of propogating their da'wah is as follows:

A group from amongst them is designated to go to a particular area/town/country, whereby each member of the goup takes with them basic means upon which to sleep and other basic items which shall suffice.

When they arrive at their destination, they organise themselves in a manner whereby some of them begin cleaning the place where they shall be resting during their stay in the area; Whilst others amongst them will go out to the market places and the like remembering Allaah and calling the people to listen to their talk (bayaan - as they call it).

When the time for the bayaan arrives, they all gather together to listen to it. And after the bayaan has finished, they request members of the gathering to come out with them in the path of Allaah. And after Salaat al-Fajr, they divide the group of people who are present into groups where a group leader is appointed for each group. Then the group leader undertakes the responsibility of teaching his group members Soorah al-Faatihah and other small Soorah's of the Qur.aan. They continue in this way day in day out.

Before their period of stay is over, they encourage the people of the area to come out with them to spread their da'wah, such that some people volunteer to join them for three days or a week or a month. Each one according to his ability and circumstances, their giving up their time in accordance with the saying of Allaah:

{You are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind}, [Soorah Aal-'Imraan, Aayah 110].

And the preferred time for going out is a day in a week, and three days in a month and 40 days in a year and 4 months in a lifetime.

- They refuse invitations to attend social functions made by the people of the area they have settled in for their period of da'wah; their intention being not to busy themselves with anything other than issues of da'wah and remembrance, and that their actions are soley for the sake of Allaah.

- They do not interfere in issues of forbidding the evil, believing they are at the stage of establishing an appropriate climate for Islaamic living, and that if they were to involve themselves in such issues, then this would place obstacles in their way and turn the people away from their da'wah.

- They believe that if they correct their individuals (members) one-by-one then the evil will be automatically eradicated from amongst the masses.

- That going out and propogating their da'wah da'wah to the people helps in nurturing the da'ee and cultivating his actions, such that he feels he is an example for others to follow and that he adheres to that which he is calling the people to.

- They believe that blind following a madhhab is obligatory, and they do not permit ijtihaad, believing that the conditions of a mujtahid (one who is qualified to make ijtihaad) are not present amongst the scholars of this time.

- They have been affected by the ways of the Soofiyyah, whose da'wah is widespread in the Indian sub-continent. For example:

- It is imperative for every member of the Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh to have a Shaykh to whom he makes bay'ah (oath of allegiance) to, and whoever was to die whilst not having made bay'ah, then he has died the death of those in pre-Islaam. And often is the case that the bay'ah takes place in a public gathering so as to encourage all present to do likewise and give them all an impression that they are all in this together as one group. And the same is done amongst the women also.

- Excessive love and respect is shown to the Shaykh to whom bay'ah has been given, as is excessive love shown to the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam), that which often takes them out of the fold of displaying appropriate respect to the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam).

- Their belief that the way of the Soofiyyah is the closest way to taste the sweetness of eemaan in the heart.

- Their being taught the names of the major personalities of the Soofiyyah such as 'Abdul-Qaadir al-Jeelaanee, who was born in Jeelaan in 470 A.H., and also as-Sahrooree, and Abu Mansoor al-Maatureedee who died in 332 A.H., and Jalaal ad-Deen ar-Roomee who was born in 604 A.H., who wrote the book al-Mathnawee.

- They have been affected by the way of the Soofiyyah, in particular the Chishtiyyah, the Qaadiriyyah, the Naqshbandiyyah and the Sahroordiyyah in India.

- There are some members who claim to have adopted the thoughts of the Jamaa'ah an-Noor of Turkey.

- Their da'wah is based upon the arousal of interest and intimidation combined, and thereby causing emotive and affective feelings. They have, thereby managed to enlist in the name of eemaan, many who have immersed themselves into sins and desires, and have directed them to worship and remembrance.

- They do not speak about political issues, and discourage their members from getting involved in these problematic issues, criticising those who do get involved. They say that politics is to leave politics.

- They misinterpret the ahaadeeth pertaining to jihaad, claiming it means to go out and give da'wah, this being to such an extent that their members quite possibly have forgotten about the real meaning of jihaad in the path of Allaah.

- They are very lenient when it comes to narrating weak ahaadeeth.

- Their main points of reference appear to be the Qur.aan and the Sunnah, however, in terms of 'aqeedah, they turn to the understandings of their founding Shaykhs of the Indian sub-continent, and that being the 'aqeedah of the Maatureediyyah upon the Hanafee madhhab.

- In the Arab lands they make a point of referring to Imaam an-Nawawee's Riyaadh as-Saaliheen, whereas in non-Arab lands they refer to the Tableeghee Nisaab (Tablighi Nisab) and Hayaah as-Sahaabah (Hayat Al-Sahabah), and this being full of incorrect information and weak ahaadeeth.

Their da'wah began in India, and then spread to Pakistan and Bangladesh, then later spreading to the rest of the Islaamic world, even in Arabia - such that they now have followers in Syria, Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon, Egypt, Sudan, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

They also have followers in Europe, America, Asia and Africa.

Their worldwide headquarters is in Nizaamuddeen in Delhi, where they administer their da'wah affairs worldwide. Their headquarters in the western world is in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, UK.

Further reading
al-Mawsoo'ah al-Harakiyyah - Fat.hee Yakun;
Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh, aqeedatuhaa wa afkaar mashaayikhihaa - Mian Muhammad Aslam al-Pakistaanee (research paper submitted to the Faculty of Sharee'ah at the Islaamic University of Madeenah in 1976 C.E.);
at-Tareeq ilaa Jamaa'ah al-Muslimeen - Husayn ibn Muhsin ibn 'Alee ibn Jaabir;
Mushkilaat ad-Da'wah wad-Daa'iyah - Fat.hee Yakun;
as-SIraaj al-Muneer - Dr. Taqqee ad-Deen al-Hilaalee;
ad-Da'wah al-Islaamiyyah fareedah Shar'iyyah wa daroorah bashariyyah - Dr. Saadiq Ameen;
Haqeeqatud-Da'wah ilaa Allaah Ta'aala wa maa ikhtassat bihi Jazeeratul-'Arab - Sa'd ibn 'Abdur-Rahmaan al-Husayn (introduction by Shaykh Saalih ibn Fowzaan);
Ra.yu aakhar fee Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh - Sa'd al-Husayn.

http://www.fatwa-online.com/deviantgroups/jamaaahattableegh/0010101.htm

salamu alaykum

Jazakallahu khairen for saving me time to write :)

Wasalamu alaykum
 

muharram23

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Staff member
i've gone with tableeg jamaat in america 3 times 3 days each. once to delaware once new jersey and once uptown ny
basically u can go for 3 days 40 days or 4 months.
every day u pray, read Quran listen to islamic speeches and do da'waa.
and trust me it really influenced me and has turned me into a better muslim.
before going with jamaat i didnt knew much about islam and that was one spark i needed.
My uncle took me with him to jamaat.

Salamu alaykum

good, but now is time to stay away from them. They don't teach proper aqeeda nor tawheed. The way they do their dawah, is not the dawah of resulullah s.va. What they teach, has little benefit, and it is so borrrrrrrrrring. They all talk the same think. "brother and sister, our success and ur success lies in the following the commandmants of Allah s.va. in the ways of resulullulah s.va." then they always talk about "the Greatness of ALlah". Oh Oh also "Thank to Allah sva for allowing us to come to masjid and pray isha in jamat" and so on. Non of them talk about tawheed about tawheedul rubbubiyyah, uluhiyya and esma wasiffat. Alot of ulema have warned against them. If you want proof, il give it to you, but the sister (caramel queen) above has already given a nice proof. Going out 3 days,40 days, or 4 months, has no evidence in the sunnah. Plus they go and make dawah to other cities and even countries, but yet their families, neighbors and other people of their cities are so away from the deen. Makes no sense. Assalamu alaykum

please visit the following:
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=8674
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=47431&ln=eng&txt=tableegh
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=39349&ln=eng&txt=tableegh

Allah knows best


Wassalamu alaykum

muharram al bosni
 

gangstaat

Allah Hu Akbar
Yeah i agree with you on this point.
But 3 days isnt bad. and the word tableeg means "da'waa"
The jamaat i went with taught me real nice dua's about almost everthing corrected my Salaat, wuzuu etc. Is this so bad?
Also i agree with you there must be bad ones out there which are trying to get us to believe in non islamic stuff.
but with the jamaat i went to was from a masjid and it was really nice.
 

muharram23

New Member
Staff member
Yeah i agree with you on this point.
But 3 days isnt bad. and the word tableeg means "da'waa"
The jamaat i went with taught me real nice dua's about almost everthing corrected my Salaat, wuzuu etc. Is this so bad?
Also i agree with you there must be bad ones out there which are trying to get us to believe in non islamic stuff.
but with the jamaat i went to was from a masjid and it was really nice.


Salamu alaykum

akhi i understand, but i gave u proofs up there of big scholars of this ummah that warned against them, and you still think that they are nice. Yes their akhlaq is nice, but if they teach not according to quran and sunnah with the understanding of sahaba, then it is disqusting. That is what most tariqas or paths besides the menhaj of salafu saleeh do is try to get people in their circles by doing nice things like zhikr together, making foods, and stuff like that. I love you for the sake of Allah akhi, that is why im telling you. Resulullah s.vs said that this ummah will divide into 73 sects, all in fire but one. They asked "ja resulullah, which is that saved sect. And he svs replied (something of which) what i am and my companions are on. They are firm to follwoing their hanafi mathab. Even though you bring them a proof, a hadeeth that contradicts what abu hanife r.a said, they will still say "no i will fillow abu hanife" they take their scholars, or imams as resulullullah. Even though abu hanife ra was free of that, free of the innovations and he himself said, that if a hadeeth comes that contradicts my statment (meaning prooving that he is wrong) then throw my statement against the wall. That is what all 4 of the imams said. If we were to follow a mathab, then there should be way more than just 4, because all these piios imams learned from a scholar that new more than them. Anyways akhi we have to be careful. As one of the salef said "this deen is knowledge, so be careful who you take ur knowledge from".

Allah knows best

Wassalamu alaykum

Muharram al bosni
 

gangstaat

Allah Hu Akbar
Okay i agree with u fully but one more question.

the biyaans by tariq jameel are 100% from quran and sunnah and have nothing to do with anti-islamic stuff, i've listened to loads of speeches by him and i can guarantee u that he's a genuine muslim and a da'waa giver. The others might be of such qualities that u've explained but definetely not him. Do u know how many people turn out to listen to his biyaans in ijtimah every year?? u can't even imagine its like a sea of people. But the stuff he says is purely from Quran and Ahadees, i have no doubt in that though.
 

Shahzad

Junior Member
muharram23: im sorry to say that your are not correct in your opinion.

There are many ppl who dont agree widh Tablighi jamaat but if they are wrong, why ALLAH has spread them all over the world?

They dont do any thing wrong . All their acts are according to Quraan and
sunnah.

They are very lenient when it comes to narrating weak ahaadeeth

Well, the rule is that Week hadith can be taken when it comes to telling the virtue of any thing but it cant be taken as a reason for wat u say "masla" in urdu.

They do not speak about political issues, and discourage their members from getting involved in these problematic issues, criticising those who do get involved. They say that politics is to leave politics.

Yeah they are rite in it. they call ppl for 40 days. 3 days etc to cut theirselves from this world and learn islam. Every thing can be learned by adopting the atmosphere . similarly, islam must be learned in its atmosphere i,.e. Masjid. U cant learn islam by just spending 20 mins in masjid for prayers or reading the books. Its the company of pious that gives u the ability to perform good deeds.

The answer to the main Thread is that Tariq Jameel is reallllllly a nice scholar and 100% following Quraan and sunnah . Ppl have turned towards islam by only listening his few speeches.
The person writting this comments is also from the same category.
If u get a chance to listen him, do listen, perhaps get the translation from some where.
 

Mohsin

abdu'Allah
Assalamu-alaikum

:salam2:

Brother Muharram with all due respect I would like to say that saying and copying whatever we have heard without making sure if it is true or not, is a practice that is discouraged by Rasul-Allah SAW.

I would like you to read the following answer given by Shaikh Ibn Uthaymeen regarding them (Tableegh-Jama'at) and its from the same source you provided.

Question: I have started to become committed recently, praise be to Allaah. In our area there is the Jamaaat al-Tableegh, who go out for thirty days or more. People say different things about them. Some say, don?t go out with them, because their going out is an innovation (bidah) and they have some mistaken ideas. Others advised me to go out with them. What is the correct view concerning that? Should I go out with them or not?.

Answer:praise be to Allaah.

We have already discussed this group and some of their pros and cons.

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about that and he said:

Usually in every issue there are two extremes and a middle way. Some people praise this group a great deal and encourage going out with them; others condemn them a great deal and warn against them more than they would warn you about a lion. And some people tread a middle path between those two extremes.

I think that there is some good in this group; they call others to Islam and have a clear influence that no other daaiyahs have had. How many kaafirs have become believers at their hands, and how many evildoers has Allaah guided through them

Moreover they have an attitude of humility and selflessness that is not found in many others.

Some people say that they have no knowledge of hadeeth, and so on.

They are undoubtedly good people, but I think that those of them who are in Saudi do not go to Pakistan or other countries, and we do not know anything about the aqeedah of those people (in other countries) or their manhaj (methodology). But there is nothing wrong with the manhaj followed by our companions here in Saudi.

With regard to limiting dawah to three or four days, or to two or four or six months, or two years, there is no shar?i evidence for that. But they think that this has to do with organization. If a person goes out for three days, and knows that he is limited to these three days, he will focus his mind and forget about worldly matters. This is the matter of organization, and is not an act of worship or a matter of shareeah.

I think, may Allaah bless you, that if you have the opportunity to seek knowledge then it is better to do that, because seeking knowledge is good and the people nowadays have a great need for scholars who have knowledge of the Sunnah and who are well-versed in knowledge. If you are not able to seek knowledge, and you go out with them in order to purify yourself, there is nothing wrong with that. There are many people whom Allaah has guided at their hands.

Al-Baab al-Maftooh, no. 10, P. 304.

And Allaah is the Source of strength

Now that you have read it let me tell you few things about the Jam'aat. Brother Jama'at started in India with a view to call Muslims to practice Islam and come out of the Sufistic thoughts ( as the practicing ones were satisfied by sitting in the Masjids and making Zikr, they held the view that if someone is interested in learning they will come to them on their own. No one was willing to go out and call the common Muslim to practice). Not only this but at that time there was a movement going on which was started by Hindus called "SHUDDHI" *. (Just 'Google' it)

Brother when the Muslims in India and Pakistan were turning their backs to Islam and were going astray then no one came to help.

Another thing brother is that the person who started it never named it as Tableegh-Jama'at. When someone asked him about naming it he said, ' I never named this work but if I would name it I would name it Tahreek-e-Imaan. ' As he always insisted on making the Iman stronger so that it becomes easier to follow the deen of Allah SWT.

Brother how good it will be if we could come together and help each other rectify our errors rather than keep criticizing each other and always telling that only WE are the sect who is going to enter Jannah.

I agree that you might have seen many people who go with them relating da'eef ahadith but, brother you can help them understand, dont make them go in a defensive mode by bieng offensive.

A brother of mine told me that he have seen people praying in Masjid with their shoes on and they say they have a sahih hadith backing their action, now will you say that this is the view of Shaikh Albani or Shaikh Uthaymeen ?

Brother once you go out and meet people then you come to know what they believe or practice. Is it not the responsibilty of the learned Muslims to help their fellow Muslims learn ?

:salam2:
 

mutaqoon

New Member
Assalamu alaykum,
Well I know quite a few people who are active in tableeghi jamaat. But personally I dont believe (or rather not convinced) with their beliefs. They ALWAYS use Fadhail-e-Amal as their source. That book has quite a lot of really weird (and I mean REALLY WEIRD) stories. One story about a woman getting up from her grave and walking to her home naked freaked out a friend of mine (who was till then active in tabligh). I am not sure if the story was indeed in that book, but this came from a friend who was quite active until then.

Also I have heard from a tablighi friend of mine that the book mentions that Imam Abu Hanifa didnt break his wudu for 40 years (or perhaps 40 days). First of all, I really doubt anyone (no matter how pious they are) could go on without breaking their wudu for 40 years. But basically, why would I care if Imam Abu Hanifa broke his wudu or not?!!!!! Its gonna do nothing to my Iman!!!

Well I once heard a lecture by a prominent tablighi jamat scholar..he mentioned a couple of stories that made me doubt them seriously. One story was about a popular scholar of olden times (btw, they would never mention the name of the scholar for some reason though!) where he says that whatever he says is what would happen in the world (be it good or disaster). The reason he says is that he has accepted whatever Allah willed. Another story was about a student (again of olden times) joining a teacher. After some time with the teacher, the student begins to doubt the teacher of his capability (as he couldnt do any miracle). So he decides to leave. The teacher being pious, could mind read what the student thinks, so he decides to do a miracle to keep the student. he tells the student to fill a jar with water and then go to the entrance. The teacher then asks the student to sprinkle some water from the jar on all the non believers (he meant hindus) passing by. All of them said the shahadah and became muslim!!!!!!!!!! When the people listening to the lecture heard this, they all started praising!!!

Now how the heck is that gonna do anything to my iman!!!!!! besides the fact that it makes me doubt such stories seriously!!

From my experience, they always visit muslim houses after asr or maghrib on weekends. They would invite muslims for a "special program" after isha. Well the special program is basically a training for new tablighi inductees. They would always start with "our success in this world....". From my experience, such talks have no matter in it whatsoever. You tend to get fed up listening to the same time and again.

I have done enough reading about tablighi Jamat and they seem to be into sufism a bit. If you need more info go to this site: http://ahya.org and read what they say. In my personal opinion, its not about their behavior or character that makes me doubt them, its all about their aqeedah!

I am not asking folks to stay away from them. All I am saying is dont decide based only on their actions....look at their aqeedah as well.
 

muharram23

New Member
Staff member
salamu alaykum

Akhi, you just found one post of shaykh utheimeen, and you don't c all the things that he said about them. He mentions the things that they do that has nothing to do with sunnah.

"With regard to limiting dawah to three or four days, or to two or four or six months, or two years, there is no shar?i evidence for that. But they think that this has to do with organization. If a person goes out for three days, and knows that he is limited to these three days, he will focus his mind and forget about worldly matters. This is the matter of organization, and is not an act of worship or a matter of shareeah."

Also, as you have seen that he was talking about the tableeghi jamat in saudi arabia.

''they are undoubtedly good people, but I think that those of them who are in Saudi do not go to Pakistan or other countries, and we do not know anything about the aqeedah of those people (in other countries) or their manhaj (methodology). But there is nothing wrong with the manhaj followed by our companions here in Saudi.

So, the tableeghi jamat in saudi is closer to sunnah than tableeghi jamat outside of saudi arabia. Defintelly, there is a difference because as Utheimeen mentioned that they don't go to other citis or countries which the tableeghis outside of saudi do. They go visit cities, towns, countries while the place where they are from, are in more need of dawah. Most of their kids and families have very little knowledge of deen. C the closer the river is to its spring the cleaner it is. And the further the river of the spring is, the dirtier it is. The same way is with the deen. The closer we go where islam started (mecca medina)the cleaner it is, the further we go, the more bidah, shirk, innovations etc is there.

Shaykh uthaimeen was around shaykh binbaz r.a and shaykh fawzan. Here is what they say. Note that bin baz was the mufti of saudi arabia.

1 – Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz said:

Jamaa’at al-Tableegh do not have proper understanding of the issues of ‘aqeedah, so it is not permissible to go out with them, except for one who has knowledge and understanding of the correct ‘aqeedah of Ahl al-Sunnah wa'l-Jamaa'ah, so that he can guide them and advise them, and cooperate with them in doing good, because they are very active, but they need more knowledge and someone who can guide them of those who have knowledge of Tawheed and the Sunnah. May Allaah bless us all with proper understanding of Islam and make us steadfast in adhering to it.

Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 8/331


So, apparently here, he is warning the people of little knowledge not to go with them. How about people who have no knowledge of this deen at all, but yet people like you say that it is good to learn from them!

2 – Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan said:

Going out for the sake of Allaah does not refer to the kind of going out that they mean nowadays. Going out for the sake of Allaah means going out to fight. What they call going out nowadays is a bid’ah (innovation) that was not narrated from the salaf.

Going out to call people to Allaah cannot be limited to a certain number of days, rather one should call people to Allaah according to one's abilities, without limiting that to a group or to forty days or more or less than that.

Similarly the daa’iyah must have knowledge. It is not permissible for a person to call people to Allaah when he is ignorant. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): This is my way; I invite unto Allaah (i.e. to the Oneness of Allaah — Islamic Monotheism) with sure knowledge”

[Yoosuf 12:108]

i.e., with knowledge, because the caller must know that to which he calls people, what is obligatory, mustahabb, haraam and makrooh. He has to know what shirk, sin, kufr, immorality and disobedience are; he has to know the degrees of denouncing evil and how to do it.

The kind of going out that distracts people from seeking knowledge is wrong, because seeking knowledge is an obligation, and it can only be achieved by learning, not by inspiration. This is one of the misguided Sufi myths, because action without knowledge is misguidance, and hoping to acquire knowledge without learning is an illusion.

From Thalaath Mihaadaraat fi’l-‘Ilm wa’l-Da’wah.

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=8674&ln=eng&txt=tableegh

you said,

A brother of mine told me that he have seen people praying in Masjid with their shoes on and they say they have a sahih hadith backing their action, now will you say that this is the view of Shaikh Albani or Shaikh Uthaymeen ?



Sure there is mentioning of this in the sunnah. You think the sahaba had a carpet in the masjid? They had sand, and when it was raining, it used to be muddy. One time when resululllah s.va was praying, it was raining so they saw signs of mud on his forehead because of sujood.

But, should we wear shoes now days when there is carpet. Scholars have said that it is better not to do it, because the carpet is clean and the shoes might have mud, crap, etc. Also, if it might cause fitnah (since it would, because people are away from sunnah so much) then it should not be done, because unitiy of muslims is more important.

here is proof,

Yazeed ibn Ziyad reports: “I saw the Prophet’s shoes trimmed in the middle, with a tongue at the top, and protruding at the heels.”

There are other reports about the shape of the Prophet’s shoes, but other Hadiths give us more important information. Saeed ibn Yazeed says: “I asked Anas ibn Malik whether the Prophet used to pray wearing his shoes, and he answered in the affirmative.” (Related by Al-Bukhari and Muslim.) Abu Dharr mentions the same thing adding some description: “I saw God’s Messenger praying while wearing a pair of shoes made of ox skin.” (Related by Abu Al-Shaykh.)

These two Hadiths confirm that the Prophet used to pray wearing his shoes. This may be surprising to many of us, because we are always keen to maintain the cleanliness of our mosques. Even at home, we keep special mats for prayer, and these are always kept clean. Over the years we developed the notion that we take off our shoes when we pray, no matter what the conditions are. To imagine that we could pray wearing our shoes may sound very surprising for many of us. The fact is that it is perfectly permissible.

Someone may ask what if we have stepped over some dirt or impurity. The answer is that it behooves any of us who wishes to pray without taking off his shoes to look at them in order to ensure that no impurity has attached to them while we are unaware. This is what the Prophet has directed us to do. Abu Saeed Al-Khudri reports: “Once the Prophet was leading the prayer and his companions were with him. At one point, he took off his shoes and put them to his left. When the congregation saw him doing this, they all took off their shoes. When he finished the prayer, he asked them why they did that. They said: ‘We saw you taking off your shoes and we did the same.’ He said: ‘It was Gabriel who came to tell me that some impurity had attached to them. When any of you arrives in the mosque, he should look. If he sees dirt or impurity, he should wipe it off, and pray wearing them.’” (Related by Ahmad and Abu Dawood.)

This is perfectly clear. Only when we are certain that an impurity has fallen on our shoes that we should clean them. Otherwise it is perfectly permissible to wear them during prayer. We also learn from the Hadith that all the Prophet’s companions were wearing shoes during this prayer. They only took them off to follow his example, but he did it for a reason. Since that reason did not apply to them, he questioned their action and taught them the proper procedure when entering the mosque.

We should know, however, that the Prophet’s Hadith indicates permissibility, not a recommendation or an obligation. In fact the Prophet was keen to indicate what is permissible, so that people would not impose unnecessary restrictions on themselves. Imran ibn Husayn reports: “The Prophet used to walk bare-footed and wearing shoes; drink while standing or seated; spit to the right or the left; and fast or abstain from fasting during travel.” (Related by Abu Al-Shaykh.) Similarly, Abu Hurayrah reports: “The Prophet used to pray sometimes wearing his shoes, and without wearing them at other times.” What these two Hadiths indicate is that all such alternatives are permissible. This means that we may choose whatever suits us to do.

Sometimes scholars of Hadith mention a Hadith under a certain heading, even though its subject matter is different. They simply mention it under that heading because of a brief reference to something relevant. They would mention it again under the heading to which it is more related. Here we have the following Hadith, mentioned under the heading on shoes, yet this is not its subject matter.

Abu Hurayrah reports: “We were sitting around God’s messenger, but he then left us for something, and was long coming back. We started to worry and rose. I was the first and went searching for him. I then reached one of the Ansar farms where I found the Prophet. He asked me what was the matter. I said: ‘You have taken long and we feared that you might be separated from us and were worried.’ He gave me his shoes and said: ‘Take them. Whoever you see behind this farm firmly believing that there is no deity other than God, tell him he will be in heaven.’ The first man I met was Umar. He asked me about the shoes and I said: ‘These belong to the Prophet. He gave them to me and I would give the happy news of admittance into paradise anyone whom I meet firmly believing that there is no deity other than God.’ He said to me to go back, and I went back to the Prophet. Umar was close on my heels. He spoke to the Prophet and asked him whether he sent me to say what I said. The Prophet confirmed that he did. Umar said: ‘Do not do that. I fear that people will use it as an excuse to remain passive. Let them do their best.’ The Prophet said: ‘Then let them.’” (Related by Muslim.)

The point about the Prophet giving his shoes to Abu Hurayrah was simply as a mark confirming that he had met him and gave him the news. Umar’s worry was sound. If people feel that all they need to do to ensure being in heaven was to say, “There is no deity other than God,” they could be negligent of their Islamic duties. Hence the Prophet’s acceptance of his advice.

http://arabnews.com/?page=5&section=0&article=87365&d=1&m=10&y=2006

If you know about the site www.fatwa-online.com, the tableeghi jamat is mentioned as one of the diviant groups. Now, i am not saying this myself, however this site obtains all their books, audios, fatwas from scholars like Binbaz ra, Fawzan, Shaykh al Shaykh (current mufti) and others.

Brother, i am not unaware of what their teachings are. They constantly talk about the same thing over and over again. They call people alims, muftis who only studied somewhere in south africa for 6-10 yrs the most, and now they can issue fatwas. They don't like scholars of soudi arabia, thats why ul always here them say, "ah all the disunity is spreaded from those wehabi scholars from saudi arabi". One tableeghi even came and told me after i said that people saw the hilal in soudi arabia, he replied "i don't know what or how the follow over there". They read hadeeth from fazal amal which contains alots of daif and fabricated hadeeths. One of their alims, they call him mufti (supposly can issue fatwas), , who is the imam in one of the mosques here where i am, who studied about 6 yrs in south africa, told one brother that it is wrong that shaykh albani put the mawdoo (fabricated) hadeeths together with daeef hadeeths, and he thought that that was wrong. He even said "may Allah forgive shaykh albani for that. Anyways, then he said, that 80 % of this deen is based on daeef hadeeth!! Neuzubillah. So, the brother said, "i don't know, maybe your deen is 80 % daeef, but my isnt'" :)

Anyways akhhi, may Allah s.va guiude us all to the correct path, the path that He sva is happy with.

On the day of judgment, people will go towards the hawd (lake of Resulullah s.va) to drink because they will be thirsty. However, they will be pushed away. So, reasulullah s.va will ask (somethin like) but they are of my ummah (because he s.vs will c signs of woodu) and it will be replied to him svs, "you dont know what they have innovated after you"

Anyways, stick to quran and sunnah with the understanding of sahaba Manhajus Salafiya.

Allah knows best

Wassalamu alaykum

muharram al bosni
 

Mohsin

abdu'Allah
Assalamu-alaikum

:salam2:

Jazak-Allah brother for all the information you posted.

I think you didnt get my point about the Prayers wearing shoes. I was saying that when the Masjid is carpeted and your shoes have dirt on them then would you say that Shaikh Albani or any other renowned scholar will suggest you to pray with your shoes on and say that the issue is backed by a Sahih hadith ?

As for the Tableeghi-Jama'at issue brother all I had to say was what I said in my previous post.

In your last post you yourself answered a lot of your own questions but as I do not want this thread to be closed I wont write more.

Barak-Allahu feek akhi
:salam2:

P.S. Not all the tableeghi people are Hanafis.
 

Shahzad

Junior Member
mustaqoon: brother u really some major disinformation abt Tableegh. Go and learn first. There are no such stories like women walking from grave etc.

Yeah Imam Abu Hanifa (RHA) kept his Wudoo for 40 DAYS. They weere ppious ppl. They dont have the habit of eating very much and exporting like we do. That probably the reason for keeping a single Wudoo.

These stories are told to encourage one to act on islam as our elders did. If you doubt some or all of the stories, it doesnt make them false.

I tthink this thread shud be closed now as there cud be fair amount of "u and me", be started.

The Sister must have got the answer by now.
 

Mabsoot

Amir
Staff member
Yeah Imam Abu Hanifa (RHA) kept his Wudoo for 40 DAYS. They weere ppious ppl. They dont have the habit of eating very much and exporting like we do. That probably the reason for keeping a single Wudoo.

:salam2:

Thats nonsense which all weird sufis and people talk about. Its called Ghuloo' exaggeration. There is no correct evidence for that, nor have any of the Ulema' mentioned it. Unfortunately, there are people like those in Sufiyyah and Tabligh Jamat who think it is OK to narrate weak Hadith and Weak Narrations in order to make people's character good etc

also, when I say Ulema' I mean those who follow Quran and Sunnah and the teachings of the Early Muslims, not those who follow blindly their desires and the books of the people of innovation.

Most Tableeghis especially from the South Asian subcontinent have bad Aqeedah , ashari, matrudi etc

wasalam
 
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