Will Egypt Lose Their Ancient Treasures Again???

queenislam

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Will Egypt Lose Their And Our(Islamic) Ancient National Treasures Again???


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Greeting,

How are you my brothers and sisters?
~May Allah swt blessed you and your families
the best of health~Amin!


Museums on high alert for Ancient Egyptian Treasure.

Because of the recent and on going trouble in Egypt some have taken the oppurtunity stealing And damaging Egyptian artifacts .

International museums are on high alert for High Valued Egyptian artifacts and some archaeologists have even offered to fly to the country to help safeguard its ancient treasures, museums said Wednesday.

Egypt has been rocked by an unprecedented nine days of demonstrations against President Hosni Mubarak's 30-year-rule, and fears are high for the country's priceless heritage after looters broke into the Egyptian Museum in Cairo last week.

The specter of the fall of Baghdad in 2003 looms large in the minds of Egyptologists, when thousands millennia-old artifacts were stolen or smashed by looters in the chaos following the fall of Saddam Hussein.

"The situation during the fall of Baghdad is the worst case scenario, but we think that's not going to happen because there is such a movement to protect the antiquities," said Karen Exell, chairwoman of Britain's Egypt Exploration Society and curator of the Egypt collection at the Manchester Museum.

Egyptologists have been heartened by the reaction of ordinary Egyptians to chaos and lawlessness.

In Cairo hundreds of people formed a chain around the museum to protect it after looters broke into the museum Friday and destroyed two Pharaonic mummies, officials said.

Western museums are still urging vigilance.

"All of us who are friends of Egypt can help the efforts to stop looting of archaeological sites, stores and museums, by focusing on the international antiquities trade," London's Petrie Museum of Egyptian Archaeology said in a statement.

Exell said an international alert had gone out to watch for looted items, as well as offers of help. One had been posted on a global Egyptologist electronic bulletin board by a team of Spanish archaeologists, offering to help catalog artifacts.

Egypt is home to one of the world's greatest ancient civilizations, which is also a major source of tourist income.

The British Museum, home to one of the world's top collections of Egyptian antiquities, including the famed Rosetta Stone, called for more protection of the country's heritage.

"It is a matter of the greatest concern that these irreplaceable objects should be fully protected to ensure their safety and survival for future generations," the museum said.

Many key ancient Egyptian works were allowed to leave the country in previous centuries and are stored in international museums. Some critics say this is because authorities did not recognize their true value when they were unearthed.

Exell said this is not the case now.

"It's been really heartening that ordinary people are protecting sites closest to them, they understand their value ... People do feel very proud of their heritage."

~Better safeguard them now cause once those precious is out of Egypt they will never get back to Egypt and consider lost forever like the fate of many previous Egypt's ancient treasures.

~May Allah swt help and protect all muslim belonging~Amin!

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Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,


I am in the minority on this issue. Do not get me wrong but those ancient treasures celebrate a way of life that oppressed people.
Some people love artifacts.

Given what the Egyptians are fighting for; the ancient treasures are nothing.

Yes, people ought to leave alone that which does not belong to them and recklessness should not be tolerated. Sometimes we have to give up what we love for the sake of Truth.
 

queenislam

★★★I LOVE ALLAH★★★
National treasures of Egypt and Islamic world and represent us too.

Assalaam walaikum,


I am in the minority on this issue. Do not get me wrong but those ancient treasures celebrate a way of life that oppressed people.
Some people love artifacts.

Given what the Egyptians are fighting for; the ancient treasures are nothing.

Yes, people ought to leave alone that which does not belong to them and recklessness should not be tolerated. Sometimes we have to give up what we love for the sake of Truth.

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The troubles over Egypt will not last forever
and their National tresures are priceless!
Those highway robbery are waiting the chances like vulture!

Egypt should protect those ancient artifacs ,whether they realise it or not they have to and must.
As those are valueable historic ancient artifacts and National treasures of Egypt and world and represent us too.

Which is so valueable to Islamic history too as those sound from the holy qurán .
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Thank you for reading.
Take Care!
~Wassalam .
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Sister, I agree a Muslim should not loot nor touch that which does not belong to them.
 

ahmed_indian

to Allah we belong
:wasalam:,

yes, a muslim should not steal them but should we really worry about these artifacts so much? as they originated from pagan/mushrik community.
 

Valerie

Junior Member
Assalaam walaikum,

Sister, I agree a Muslim should not loot nor touch that which does not belong to them.

:salam2:

Not a good muslim. But not everyone is a good muslim. The statues of Buddha a few years back were destroyed because they weren't part of Islam's beliefs. Someone already got in and smashed a statue of King Tut. (Haven't heard since then, I'm sure more has been destroyed).

I'm glad people are protecting the museums. Like Queenislam said, they're priceless. If I were there I'd be protecting those items too.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

You are correct. But we need to find a balance and not wish to possess those treasures.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Maybe the poor British need those reminders more.

On one level these are mere objects. They imply we rest our eyes on them. As I stated in my first response I am in the minority. Some need physical treasures. Some do not.

I can fully understand the jobs that many ancient ruins provide for the localities. It is a blessing of Allah.
 

Ibn Uthaymin

Junior member
Assalaam walaikum,

Maybe the poor British need those reminders more.

On one level these are mere objects. They imply we rest our eyes on them. As I stated in my first response I am in the minority. Some need physical treasures. Some do not.

I can fully understand the jobs that many ancient ruins provide for the localities. It is a blessing of Allah.

Why are you gassing on Britain for? Americans killed more people in the last 60 years than the British did in their bloody colonial history.

....+ much more
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Sorry...my parents recalled life under the Raj. And there are some things in life that reason can not rule..and I am passionate against what the British Empire did...my sons ancestors were slaves shackled after being kidnapped...

Do not for a moment think I give the Americans a break...( I happen to be American so I am tougher )
 

Valerie

Junior Member
Why are you gassing on Britain for? Americans killed more people in the last 60 years than the British did in their bloody colonial history.

....+ much more

:salam2:

I haven't killed anyone. I don't know anyone who has killed another human being. Maybe my grandpa in world war 2.

Back to the topic... I hope the museums are still safe.
 

Steve940

Junior Member
Asalamu alaykum,

I don't see any reason to destroy artifacts that are not images of living creatures. As for the artifacts that are modeled after humans or animals, such as the one in the picture of queenislam's post, isn't it obligatory on a muslim to destroy such things? I am not encouraging breaking into museums or looting, but shouldn't we all agree that statues of humans or animals are haram in the first place, and do not deserve to be preserved?

:salam2:
 

twas19

Junior Member
As salam alaykum

It is one of my great lifetime wishes to travel egypt and see all its ancient sites and museums they are so fascinating especially the mummies i wish they remain safe till that time ! :) Insha Allah :) may Allah swt protect Egypt and its people

walaykum salam
 

twas19

Junior Member
well

Assalaam walaikum,

You are correct. But we need to find a balance and not wish to possess those treasures.
:salam2:

But they are a part of history i dont think that it really matters or Allah swt would really get angry at this

:wasalam:
 

arzafar

Junior Member
this is unbelievable and very disappointing at the same time. how could muslims even consider protecting, honoring, respecting, liking, treasuring and renovating idols and pyramids. Destroying idols is obligatory at all times.

Is it obligatory to destroy statues in Islam, even if they are part of the legacy of human civilization? Why is it that when the Sahaabah conquered other lands and saw statues there they did not destroy them?.

Praise be to Allaah.

The evidence of sharee’ah indicates that it is obligatory to destroy idols, for example:

1 – Muslim (969) narrated that Abu’l-Hayaaj al-Asadi said: ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib said to me: “Shall I not send you with the same instructions as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? ‘Do not leave any image without defacing it or any built-up grave without leveling it.’”

2 – Muslim (832) narrated from ‘Urwah ibn ‘Abasah that he said to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “With what were you sent?” He said, “I was sent to uphold the ties of kinship, to break the idols, and so that Allaah would be worshipped alone with no partner or associate.”

The obligation to destroy them is even stronger if they are worshipped instead of Allaah.

3 – al-Bukhaari (3020) and Muslim (2476) narrated that Jareer ibn ‘Abd-Allaah al-Bajali said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to me: “O Jareer, will you not relieve me of Dhu’l-Khalsah?” That was a house (in Yemen) belonging to the (tribe of) Khath’am, which was called Ka’bat al-Yamaaniyyah. I set out with one hundred and fifty horsemen. I used not to sit firm on horses and I mentioned that to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He struck me on my chest with his hand and said, 'O Allaah! Make him firm and make him one who guides others and is guided on the right path.' " So Jareer went and burned it with fire, then Jareer sent a man called Abu Artaat to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said, “I did not come to you until we had left it like a scabby camel.” Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) blessed the horses of (the tribe of) Ahmas and their men five times.

Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar said:

This hadeeth indicates that it is prescribed to remove things that may tempt or confuse the people, whether they are buildings, people, animals or inanimate objects.

4 – The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent Khaalid ibn al-Waleed (may Allaah be pleased with him) on a campaign to destroy al-‘Uzza.

5 – and he sent Sa’d ibn Zayd al-Ashhali (may Allaah be pleased with him) on a campaign to destroy Manaat.

6 – And he sent ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas (may Allaah be pleased with him) on a campaign to destroy Suwaa’. All of that happened after the Conquest of Makkah.

Al-Bidaayah wa’l-Nihaayah, 4/712. 776. 5/83; al-Seerah al-Nabawiyyah by Dr. ‘Ali al-Salaabi, 2/1186.

Al-Nawawi said in Sharh Muslim when discussing the issue of image-making:

They were unanimously agreed that whatever casts a shadow is not allowed and must be changed.

Images that cast a shadow are three-dimensional images like these statues.

With regard to what is said about the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) not destroying idols in the conquered lands, this is merely conjecture. The companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not have left idols and statues alone, especially since they were worshipped at that time.

If it is asked, how come the Sahaabah left alone the ancient idols of the Pharaohs and Phoenicians? The answer is that these idols fall into one of three categories:

1 – These idols may have been in remote places that the Sahaabah did not reach; when the Sahaabah conquered Egypt, for example, that does not mean that they reached every part of the land.

2 – These idols may not have been visible, rather they may have been inside Pharaonic buildings etc. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us to hasten when passing through the abodes of the wrongdoers and those who had been punished, and he forbade entering such places. In al-Saheehayn it is says: “Do not enter upon those who have been punished unless you are weeping, lest there befall you something like that which befall them.” He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said that when he passed by ashaab al-hijr [the dwellers of the rocky tract – see al-Hijr 15:80], in the land of Thamood, the people of Saalih (peace be upon him).

According to another report narrated in al-Saheehayn, “If you are not weeping, then do not enter upon them, lest there befall you something like that which befall them.”

What we think is that if the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw a temple or building belonging of these people, they did not enter it or even look at what was inside it.

This will dispel any confusion about why the Sahaabah did not see the Pyramids or what is inside them. There is also the possibility that their doors and entrances were covered with sand at that time.

3 – Many of these idols that are visible nowadays were covered and hidden, and have only been discovered recently, or they have been brought from remote places that the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not reach.

Al-Zarkali was asked about the Pyramids and the Sphinx etc: Did the Sahaabah who entered Egypt see them?

He said: They were mostly covered with sand, especially the Sphinx.

Shibh Jazeerat al-‘Arab, 4/1188

Then even if we assume that there was a statue that was visible and not hidden, then we still have to prove that the Sahaabah saw it and were able to destroy it.

The fact of the matter is that the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) would not have been able to destroy some of these statues. It took twenty days to destroy some of these statues even with tools, equipment, and explosives etc that were not available to the Sahaabah at all.

This is indicated by what Ibn Khuldoon said in al-Muqaddimah (p. 383), that the caliph al-Rasheed was unable to destroy the estrade of Chosroes. He started to do that, and he gathered men and tools, and burned it with fire, and poured vinegar on it, but he was unable to do it. And the caliph al-Ma’moon wanted to destroy the Pyramids in Egypt and he gathered workers but he could not do it.

With regard to the excuse that these statues are part of the legacy of mankind, no attention should be paid to such words. Al-Laat, al-‘Uzaa, Hubal, Manaat and other idols were also a legacy for those who worshipped them among Quraysh and the Arabs.

This is a legacy, but it is a haraam legacy which should be uprooted. When the command comes from Allaah and His Messenger, then the believer must hasten to obey, and the command of Allaah and His Messenger cannot be rejected on the grounds of this flimsy excuse. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The only saying of the faithful believers, when they are called to Allaah (His Words, the Qur’aan) and His Messenger, to judge between them, is that they say: “We hear and we obey.” And such are the successful (who will live forever in Paradise)”

[al-Noor 24:51]

We ask Allaah to help the Muslims to do that which He loves and which pleased Him.

And Allaah knows best.

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Muslim (969) narrated that Abu’l-Hayaaj al-Asadi said: ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib said to me: “Shall I not send you with the same instructions as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? ‘Do not leave any image without defacing it or any built-up grave without leveling it.’”

This hadith is specially interesting because today Ali (ra) grave and his image is worshiped in iran and iraq. Imagine what he (ra) would to these people if he was alive!

and according to some 'muslims', those who destroy idols is extremist. Guess what some of the most notable extremist are:
1) Ibrahim (as)
2) Muhammad (s.a.w.)
3) Musa (as)
 

Valerie

Junior Member
Ugh, really? Give them to other countries if you'd rather see them smashed. In 2,000 years someone comes across a Muslim artifact and decides, "well it's obviously against my religion, so I'm smashing it." Instead of learning from it, and appreciating it as beautiful art, regardless of the original purpose. As a good friend of mine said, you can appreciate something without worshiping it.
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
Assalamu allaicum wa raahmatullah wa barkatuhu

I would like to ask you sister that you please try to refrain from these kind of threads, because as we know, Muslims are not aloowed to make idols or sculptures, in the form or worship, culture, art or architecture. It does not make any diffrence because it is clearly forbidden is Islaam,and there are valid and truthfull reasons behind that. Making pictures or sculptures of living creatures is forbidden with the intention to worship them Astagfirullah or admire them, and we as Muslims should not support it in any way, but for the sake of Allah, if we have oportunity, and if one day Sharaih law be implemented in Egypt and other countries, Muslims should destoy those idols, as it was ordered from Allah subhan wa teala trough His Last Messager sallahu alayha wa saalam,and Prophets before him.

The clear reason for this is that we as Muslims should enjoy good and fight against any kind of evil.

May Allah guide us all. Ameen summa ameen

:wasalam:
 

Valerie

Junior Member
if one day Sharaih law be implemented in Egypt and other countries, Muslims should destoy those idols, as it was ordered from Allah subhan wa teala trough His Last Messager sallahu alayha wa saalam,and Prophets before him.

Wow.

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