My question is... (Saying Ya Muhammad )

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Asalaam alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu
kuch loog kehtein hain ke ya muhammad kehna gona aou shirk hai lekin hum namaaz mei padhtein hain (اسّلام علبك ايّها انّبىّ) tarjumah:A nabi aap par salamati hu
ju loog nasheed mei ya muhammad kehtein hai kia woh saheeh hai.
May Allah help ys

:wasalam:
 

BintMuhammad

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Wot?:confused:

Wa alalikumusslaam brother,

I hope you can post the english translation of your question and Insha Allaah we might be of help.
 

Mabsoot

Amir
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The tashahhud of Ibn 'Abbaas: "The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to teach us the tashahhud the way he taught us [soorahs of] the Qur'aan; he used to say,

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[/FONT]Please note: (( Asalamu Alayka ayuhal nabiyoo ))

Bukhaari, Muslim, Ibn Abi Shaibah (1/90/2), Siraaj & Abu Ya`laa in his Musnad (258/2). It is given in Irwaa' (321).

Ibn Mas`ood's statement, "We said: Peace be on the Prophet" clarifies that the Companions (radi Allaahu `anhum) used to say, "Peace be on you, O Prophet" in tashahhud while the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) was alive, but when he died, they ceased to do that, instead saying, "Peace be on the Prophet". Undoubtedly, this was with the endorsement of the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam); this is supported by the fact that `Aa'ishah (radi Allaahu `anhaa) would similarly teach the tashahhud in prayer with "Peace be on the Prophet", as transmitted by Siraaj in his Musnad (9/1/2) & Mukhlis in al-Fawaa'id (11/54/1) with two saheeh isnaads from her. (taken from The Prophet's prayer Described, Shaykh Muhammad Nasir ud-Deen al-Albani (Rahimahullah))



So, whilst the Prophet :saw: was alive, then the Sahaba would address him with Ya (which translates as "Oh"), as matter of respect and calling someone. The Sahaba ceased calling upon the Prophet :saw: with Ya "Oh" after he, :saw: may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him, passed away.

Ya translates as "Oh" and is a means of calling someone.
The Ya is used with living people of course, for example I might say "Ya Abdullah come here and help me put the tire on my car", or "Ya Akhi, how are you doing?"

A Muslim must only call upon Allah in Dua with Ya. The people of correct Aqeedah (Belief in Allah and Islam) should know that calling upon the dead, or even the living in prayer will have no benefit whatsoever. Allah is the all-hearing, the all-seeing and the most Merciful. We make dua to him, and him alone.

Allah hears all his believer's prayers.

“And your Lord said: ‘Invoke Me [i.e. believe in My Oneness (Islamic Monotheism) and ask Me for anything] I will respond to your (invocation)’”[Ghaafir 40:60]
“And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright [al-Baqarah 2:186]


Please see here for more information:

Fundamental Beliefs in Islam Tawheed and Aqeedah


I leave you with the words of Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem al-Tuwayjri


Question:
What is the ruling on making du’aa’ to anyone other than Allaah?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Allaah is close to His slaves; he sees where they are and He knows their situation. He hears what they say and responds to their du’aa’ (supplication). Nothing about them is hidden from Him, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):



“Truly, nothing is hidden from Allaah, in the earth or in the heaven” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:5]



Allaah Alone is the One Who has created us and Who provides for us; in His hand is the dominion and He is Able to do all things:



“To Allaah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is therein, and He is Able to do all things”
[al-Maa'idah 5:17 – interpretation of the meaning]



In Allaah’s hand alone is all goodness. When He calls mankind to something good in His Book or on the lips of His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), they should obey that command and respond to it:

“O you who believe! Answer Allaah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life, and know that Allaah comes in between a person and his heart (i.e. He prevents an evil person to decide anything). And verily, to Him you shall (all) be gathered” [al-Anfaal 8:24 – interpretation of the meaning]



Allaah is Able to do all things, and He hears the supplication of His slaves. He responds to them at all times and in all places, no matter what their various needs and languages. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):



“And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright
[al-Baqarah 2:186]



Allaah has commanded us to call upon Him in secret, with humility and submission, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):



“Invoke your Lord with humility and in secret. He likes not the aggressors” [al-A’raaf 7:55]



To Allaah belongs Dominion and to Him be praise, and He is Able to do all things. The heavens and the earth and everything in them glorifies Him, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):


“The seven heavens and the earth and all that is therein, glorify Him and there is not a thing but glorifies His Praise. But you understand not their glorification. Truly, He is Ever Forbearing, Oft‑Forgiving” [al-Israa’ 17:44]



Allaah has promised Hell to those who are too arrogant to worship Him and call upon Him. He says (interpretation of the meaning):



“Verily, those who scorn My worship [i.e. do not invoke Me, and do not believe in My Oneness, (Islamic Monotheism)] they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!”[Ghaafir 40:60]



Du’aa’ should be made to Allaah in the manner that Allaah and His Messenger have prescribed. For example, Allaah should be called upon by His Most Beautiful Names:



“And (all) the Most Beautiful Names belong to Allaah, so call on Him by them, and leave the company of those who belie or deny (or utter impious speech against) His Names. They will be requited for what they used to do” [al-A’raaf 7:180 – interpretation of the meaning]



So we may say O Most Merciful, have mercy on us, O Ever-Forgiving, forgive us, O Provider grant us provision, and so on.



When a person makes du’aa’, either Allaah gives him what he asked for or He diverts it from him a harm that is greater than the thing he asked for, or He stores up what he has asked for, for the Hereafter. This is because Allaah has commanded us to call upon Him and He has promised to respond to our call:



“And your Lord said: ‘Invoke Me [i.e. believe in My Oneness (Islamic Monotheism) and ask Me for anything] I will respond to your (invocation)’ [Ghaafir 40:60 – interpretation of the meaning]



Allaah has commanded us to worship Him alone, and He has warned us against worshipping the Shaytaan. He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Did I not command you, O Children of Adam, that you should not worship Shaytaan (Satan). Verily, he is a plain enemy to you.
And that you should worship Me [Alone Islamic Monotheism, and set up not rivals, associate‑gods with Me]. That is the Straight Path” [Yaa-Seen 36:60-61]



Calling upon anyone other than Allaah to meet one’s needs, relieve distress or heal disease is insanity caused by lack of understanding:



“Say (O Muhammad): ‘Shall we invoke others besides Allaah (false deities), that can do us neither good nor harm, and shall we turn back on our heels after Allaah has guided us (to true Monotheism)?’” [al-An’aam 6:71 – interpretation of the meaning]



If a person calls upon one who cannot bring benefit or cause harm, who cannot command or prohibit, who cannot hear or respond, whether that is a Prophet, a Messenger, a jinn or an angel, or a star or planet or rock or tree, or one of the dead – all of that is serious wrong-doing, and a going astray from the Straight Path. It is shirk, the association of others with Allaah the Almighty.



“And invoke not besides Allaah any such that will neither profit you nor harm you, but if (in case) you did so, you shall certainly be one of the Zaalimoon (wrongdoers)” [Yoonus 10:106 – interpretation of the meaning]



Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And who is more astray than one who calls on (invokes) besides Allaah, such as will not answer him till the Day of Resurrection, and who are (even) unaware of their calls (invocations) to them
[al-Ahqaaf 46:5]



Calling upon anyone or anything other than Allaah is shirk, and shirk is a great sin, indeed it is the greatest sin. Allaah will forgive any sin for whomever He wills, except for shirk, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):



“Verily, Allaah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him (in worship), but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He wills [al-Nisaa’ 4:48]



On the Day of Resurrection, Allaah will gather the mushrikeen and everyone who was worshipped instead of Him, then those who were worshipped instead of Allaah will disavow those who worshipped them, and they will deny their association with Allaah, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):



“And those, whom you invoke or call upon instead of Him, own not even a Qitmeer (the thin membrane over the date stone).
If you invoke (or call upon) them, they hear not your call; and if (in case) they were to hear, they could not grant it (your request) to you. And on the Day of Resurrection, they will disown your worshipping them. And none can inform you (O Muhammad) like Him Who is the All‑Knower (of everything).
O mankind! it is you who stand in need of Allaah. But Allaah is Rich (Free of all needs), Worthy of all praise”[Faatir 35: 13-15]


From Usool al-Deen al-Islami by Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem al-Tuwayjri
 

Mabsoot

Amir
Staff member
Wot?:confused:

Wa alalikumusslaam brother,

I hope you can post the english translation of your question and Insha Allaah we might be of help.

Assalamu alaykum,

the brother I think said that some people say "Ya Muhammad" and that this is Shirk (associating partners with Allah), so why do we say in our prayer اسّلام علبك ايّها انّبىّ) Assalamu Alayka Ayuhal Nabi. "Peace be upon you Oh Prophet."

The answer is that the Sahaba stopped saying that after the Prophet:saw: died, and they said Asalamu Ala Nabi - "Peace be upon the Prophet" - instead of "Peace be upon you Oh Prophet." - The evidence being in the Post above..

Wasalam.
 

monashahen

New Member
assalamua-alaikum brothers and sisters..once again we are trying to look for means to help us get to our needs and wants by asking the wrong source..sorry there is no other giver or helper or listener than ALLAH..even our prophet muhammad(saw) asked ALLAH subhan wa ta'ala for help,success and everything..and it also has been stated through various hadiths where our prophet muhammad(saw) has advised us to pray and make dua to ALLAH and no one else..so let us make a decision and a clear one to that there is just one ALLAH..all mighty..who we as muslims should ask for anything..should pray to..

salam to all that read this
 

Aisha muslima

Junior Member
Ibn Mas`ood's statement, "We said: Peace be on the Prophet" clarifies that the Companions (radi Allaahu `anhum) used to say, "Peace be on you, O Prophet" in tashahhud while the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) was alive, but when he died, they ceased to do that, instead saying, "Peace be on the Prophet". Undoubtedly, this was with the endorsement of the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam); this is supported by the fact that `Aa'ishah (radi Allaahu `anhaa) would similarly teach the tashahhud in prayer with "Peace be on the Prophet", as transmitted by Siraaj in his Musnad (9/1/2) & Mukhlis in al-Fawaa'id (11/54/1) with two saheeh isnaads from her. (taken from The Prophet's prayer Described, Shaykh Muhammad Nasir ud-Deen al-Albani (Rahimahullah))

MashaLlah! In this last two days, I'm searching just for this issue! tank you very much for your help and for solving me the problem! Jazaka Allahu khairan! Now I must change the way to do the tashahud, and inshaLlah I will tell this to every people that has the same problem.

Salam wa rahmatuLlah wa barakatu :)
 

Globalpeace

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There is NO Change to Tashahuud, it is "Peace be upon you, O Prophet"

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The tashahhud of Ibn 'Abbaas: "The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to teach us the tashahhud the way he taught us [soorahs of] the Qur'aan; he used to say,

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[/FONT]Please note: (( Asalamu Alayka ayuhal nabiyoo ))

Bukhaari, Muslim, Ibn Abi Shaibah (1/90/2), Siraaj & Abu Ya`laa in his Musnad (258/2). It is given in Irwaa' (321).

Ibn Mas`ood's statement, "We said: Peace be on the Prophet" clarifies that the Companions (radi Allaahu `anhum) used to say, "Peace be on you, O Prophet" in tashahhud while the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) was alive, but when he died, they ceased to do that, instead saying, "Peace be on the Prophet". Undoubtedly, this was with the endorsement of the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam); this is supported by the fact that `Aa'ishah (radi Allaahu `anhaa) would similarly teach the tashahhud in prayer with "Peace be on the Prophet", as transmitted by Siraaj in his Musnad (9/1/2) & Mukhlis in al-Fawaa'id (11/54/1) with two saheeh isnaads from her. (taken from The Prophet's prayer Described, Shaykh Muhammad Nasir ud-Deen al-Albani (Rahimahullah))

Asslamo Allaikum Respected Brother Mabsoot,

In my humble opinion you have quouted a unique opinion (no doubt respected) but NOT backed by the Scholars in Saudi itself and contemporaries of Shaykh Al-Albani (RA); let alone the rest of the Ummah!

1) My Brother in Islam at one hand you talk about following the strongest opinion, on the other hand you quote opinions which are NOT popularly backed (rather refuted); I don't really know why?

2) Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) has quouted Shaf'ae shcolars Ibnul-Hajr Al-Asqalani (RA), Subki (RA), but Please show me the Shaf'ae Madhab verdict on this issue? Shawaf'e as you well know will NEVER reject the opinion of Ibnul-Hajr Al-Asqalani (RA), Subki (RA); it may seem trivial to you BUT it is critical to the investigation in the whole issue.

3) Fataawa al-Lajnah & Shaykh Uthaymeen (RA) have BOTH refuted this & unfortunately you have failed to quote that.

http://islamqa.com/index.php?pg=print&ref=34535&ln=eng

Question:Is it correct that after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that if a person says in the tashahhud “al-salaamu ‘alayka ayyhu’l-nabiyyu (peace be upon you, O Prophet)” there is the fear that this may be shirk, and that we should say “al-salaam ‘ala al-nabi (peace be upon the Prophet)”?.

Answer: Praise be to Allaah.

The scholars of the Standing Committee were asked:

It was narrated that Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught me the tashahhud with my hand between his hands, just as he taught me a soorah from the Qur’aan: “Al-tahiyyaatu Lillaahi wa’l-salawaatu wa’l-tayyibaat al-salaamu ‘alayka ayyuha’l-nabiyyu… (All compliments, prayers and good words are for Allaah, peace be upon you, O Prophet…).” (That was) when he was still among us. When he passed away, we started to say, “al-salaam ‘ala al-nabi (peace be upon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)).”

Many people say the latter version and teach others to do likewise.

They replied:

The version of the tashahhud that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to recite in his prayer and that he commanded his companions to recite is that which was narrated by the two Shaykhs (al-Bukhaari and Muslim) in their Saheehs from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught me the tashahhud with my hand between his hands, just as he taught me a soorah from the Qur’aan: “Al-tahiyyaatu Lillaahi wa’l-salawaatu wa’l-tayyibaat, al-salaamu ‘alayka ayyuha’l-nabiyyu wa rahmat-Allaahi wa barakaatuhu, al-salaamu ‘alayna wa ‘ala ‘ibaad-illaah il-saaliheen, ash-hadu an laa ilaaha ill-Allaah wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan ‘abduhu wa rasooluh… (All compliments, prayers and good words are for Allaah, peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of Allaah and His blessings, peace be upon us and upon the righteous slaves of Allaah. I bear witness that there is no god except Allaah and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger). This is the more correct version, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught it to his companions and he did not say, When I die then say al-salaamu ‘ala al-nabi (peace be upon the Prophet).

They were also asked:

In the tashahhud should we say “al-salaamu ‘alayka ayyhu’l-nabiyyu (peace be upon you, O Prophet)” or “al-salaamu ‘ala al-nabi (peace be upon the Prophet)” – because ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: Before the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died we used to say “al-salaamu ‘alayka ayyhu’l-nabiyyu (peace be upon you, O Prophet)” but after he died we said “al-salaamu ‘ala al-nabi (peace be upon the Prophet)”?

They replied:

The correct view is that in the tashahhud the worshipper should say: “al-salaamu ‘alayka ayyuha’l-nabiyyu wa rahmat-Allaahi wa barakaatuhu (peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of Allaah and His blessings,), because this is what is proven in the ahaadeeth. With regard to the report narrated from Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) – if it is a saheeh (sound) narration from him – this is the ijtihaad of the one who did that and it does not contradict the proven ahaadeeth. If the ruling after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) were different than the ruling when he was still alive, he would have told us that.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah li’l-Buhooth al-‘Ilmiyyah wa’l-Ifta’, 7/11-13

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) has explained this issue very clearly, and has refuted the specious argument of those who claim that the prescribed version is in the nature of calling upon one who is absent. He said:

Are the words “al-salaamu ‘alayka (peace be upon you)” a statement or a supplication? I.e., are you stating that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is in a state of peace or are you asking Allaah to grant him peace?

The answer is that it is a du’aa’ (supplication) in which you are praying to Allaah to send peace upon him. This is a statement which is serving as a supplication.

Is this addressed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as people address one another?

The answer is No. If that were the case, it would invalidate the prayer, because this prayer should not contain anything of human speech. If that were the case, the Sahaabah would have spoken these words out loud so that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) could hear them, and he would have returned the greeting to them as he used to do when they met him. But as Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] said in his book Iqtida’ al-Siraat al-Mustaqeem: Because you are thinking of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is so strong when you send salaams upon him, it is as if he is there in front of you and you are addressing him.

Hence the Sahaabah used to say “al-salaamu ‘alayka (peace be upon you)”, but he did not hear them, and they would say, “al-salaamu ‘alayka (peace be upon you)” when they were in another land. And we say “al-salaamu ‘alayka (peace be upon you)” when we are in a land other than his, and in a time other than his.

With regard to the report narrated in Saheeh al-Bukhaari from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood, which says that after the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) passed away they used to say “al-salaamu ‘ala al-nabi wa rahmat-Allaahi wa barakaatuhu (peace be upon the Prophet and the mercy and blessings of Allaah)” – this was the ijtihaad of Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him), which differed from that of one who was more knowledgeable than him, namely ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, for he addressed the people from the minbar of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said in the tashahhud: “al-salaamu ‘alayka ayyhu’l-nabiyyu wa rahmat-Allaah (peace be upon you, O Prophet and the mercy of Allaah)”, as was narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ with the soundest of isnaads. ‘Umar said this in the presence of the Sahaabah and they approved of it.

Moreover the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught it to his ummah, and he even taught it to Ibn Mas’ood, holding his hand between his own, so that he would remember this wording. He used to teach it to them as he used to teach them a soorah from the Qur’aan. And he knew that he was going to die, because Allaah said to him (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, you (O Muhammad) will die, and verily, they (too) will die”

[al-Zumar 39:30]

But he did not say: after I die, say “al-salaamu ‘ala al-nabi (peace be upon the Prophet)”, rather he taught them the tashahhud as he used to teach them a soorah of the Qur’aan, with this wording. Hence we should not rely on the ijtihaad of Ibn Mas’ood, rather we should say, “al-salaamu ‘alayka ayyhu’l-nabiyyu (peace be upon you, O Prophet)”.
Al-Sharh al-Mumti’, 3/150-151

And Allaah knows best.
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We SHOULDN'T INSERT YA in front of Muhammad & when my eyes are not hurting I will comment & put forth evidence, but for right now there is NO CHANGE TO Tashahuud & TO link it to calling somone who is absent is BASELESS (as explained by Shaykh Uthaymeen (RA)) THAT is the STRONGEST opinion in the Muslim Ummah!
 

Aisha muslima

Junior Member
Salam alaykum, I saw a video on youtubeislam of shaikh Bilal Philips that talks just about this issue. He says that is correct to do tashahud in the way teaches by Ibn Masood rA. Is not an easy question, mashaLlah... What we can do? On wich way must we do tashahud if other important shaiks tells that is correct the most common formula?? I ask this to a sister that lives in Cairo; she also makes tashahud in the way of Ibn Masood. However, inshaLlah, she will ask it to a shaikh and tell me his answer as soon as possible.

Salam wa rahmatuLlah.
 

Globalpeace

Banned
Salam alaykum, I saw a video on youtubeislam of shaikh Bilal Philips that talks just about this issue. He says that is correct to do tashahud in the way teaches by Ibn Masood rA. Is not an easy question, mashaLlah... What we can do? On wich way must we do tashahud if other important shaiks tells that is correct the most common formula?? I ask this to a sister that lives in Cairo; she also makes tashahud in the way of Ibn Masood. However, inshaLlah, she will ask it to a shaikh and tell me his answer as soon as possible.

Salam wa rahmatuLlah.

Asslamo Allaium,

1) To do Tashahud according to Saheeh Bukhari & Muslim = STRONGER opinion

2) To do Tashahud according to Ibn Masood (RA) = Weaker Opinion

a) 2 is not transmitted in the famous chain of Fiqh of Madhab of Imam Abu Haneefa (RA):

ai) Abdullah Ibn Masood (RA) to Alqamah (RA) to Ibrahim Nakhai (RA) to Hammad (RA) to Abu Haneefa (RA)

aii) 2 is also NOT adopted in the Shaf’ae Madhab when both Ibnul-Haj’r Al-Asqalani (RA) &Imam Subki (RA) are infamouse Shaf’ae Jurists

aiii) 2 is ALSO rejected by entire standard committee of Fatawa & Shaykh Uthaymeen (RA) as evidence is given to you.

Allah knows best.

AGAIN! No disagreemens with "Ya Muhammad".
 
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