Some Questions from someone trying to understand....

UmmOf3

Junior Member
Also, as a woman, don't you miss the need to feel attractive, to be desired at all? I do NOT wear revealing clothes (imagine that grotesque site after 4 kids, LOL), but I used to love to see my husband look at me after I come in from work and tell me how pretty I was.....now, those same clothes that he bought me he curses and swears to tear them up. Can you see my confusion? Do mosques offer couple counseling?
I know some mosques actually do offer councelling, but I am not in the US or anywhere near that, so I dont really know...

But the clothing... Well, we can wear basically anything in front of our husbands.

I miss makeup most :D My husband hates it, because it remind him of his life before islam, and I like to put it on around the house hehe, but naah, its a big no-no in his eyes ;) But its okay, its too much of a hazzle anyway, if i need to go out, or if someone comes by... And when its time to pray, I would wash my face and it will run off...

I am atractive to my husband. He never see other women than me, so I am atractive to him no matter what I look like. Because I am legal to him. I am halal to watch, to talk to, to hold my hand... So I am atractive, no matter what I wear, if I have a big old housedress or the trousers he loves with a nice top, does not matter. I am HALAL. Thats all that matters to him.
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
I am sorry. I sounded harsh. It just bothers me that non-muslims, even if Christian, are called Kuffrs when that is not true. Kuffrs are disbelievers in God, WE BELIEVE IN GOD! I as a Christian NEVER thought Jesus was GOD. How could he pray to himself? He couldn't. I never even took the meaning in church away from our minister that Jesus was God. I believe GOD IS ONE! The Ten Commandments say first "Thou Shalt not worship ANYONE before ME." I have always prayed to GOD, not Jesus.....however I do say "In Jesus' name I pray" in conclusion but always "DEAR GOD" in the beginning.

Religion is so confusing. I have even researched Mary magdelline as the possible concubine of Christ, thinking maybe The Roman Catholic Church has hidden her from history as the true founder of its church, not Paul. Wouldn't that just shock the world that Jesus chose a WOMAN to lead his church to God? But there is proof for, proof against, etc.

What I do know is that yes the Bible has lost many stories, gospels and truths. But the one thing that it holds to is LOVE. The Golden Rule "Do unto others as you would have done to you". Why does islamic leaders sound so UN-LOVING? The only ones I have listened to that seem kind and nurturing to others is Yusuf Estes and The Adam guy in UK. I could listen to and consider there words easily.
Hi,,there is an old from where i come from, it says:listen to the one that makes you cry not the one that makes you laugh!there is little to be tickled with, in a world where 800 million people go to "bed" without a single piece of bread!and others share the wealth among themselves like shameless monkey wannabees at their costs ,and preach love and harmony at the same time!!!!!! please try to analyze things into their right perspective before making hazardous judgements about scholars,i would rather have someone that uses a more angry tone and speaks the truth with substance than another hypocrite that lies openly with a big smile on his face claiming it to be a sign of love and compassion.

Frankly the main thing am concerned about here are the children.I believe that this holiday break is a great thing , and am positive inschallah that if you stick around you will have a couple of tips as to how to get your rights in a respectfull relationship with his own weapon ,make this knowledge yours!help him be a better Muslim by studying the Quran and Sunna it is so easy nowadays just one click and there you go, you have all the informations you need to know,please give your familly another chance ,and try to look at it with a little more of relativism and wisdom,as you are both bound to the well being of your children,am sure your husband will change his attitude towards you, surprise him try to compete with him in the matter and put him right back to his place when he does something against the teachings of Islam that will not be any different from the teachings of your own scripture as a Unitarian christian!!.(i can quote!!!!no problem;) )

You know dear friend time and health are the most precious things we got in this life,it is up to us to make the best use out of them!

Because am sure that if we heard, your husbands version of the story we will also hear him complaining this does not mean that am not believing you,or that i wanna steal this moment that you are pouring your heart in from you !am simply maybe realizing that as a third person ,am not in a position to judge both of you ,as i do not know you ,so i fear Allah swt from being unjust in my statement to any of you ,the only thing that i can sincerely advice you would be for you to meet at the middle,you have a lot in common com on!encourage one another to do good deeds!there is enough to do in our world!but if both of you live with the sense of responsibility and thee awareness of inescapable accountability in front of god then you will both be mindful enough not to hurt each other.


I have heard a lot of people complaining before about their marriages and then they separate and marry again and separate again and marry or end up like Robinson Crusoe with a dog and a Parrot ,somewhere in a lost Island not wanting to hear from human beings and their dispicablness anymore.an there you go a big Tsunami comes and even our "heavenly "Island disappears ,and fades away like everything else,living us naked and helpless as if we had to start everything all over again!:(


See nothing in this life lasts,because as space is curved so is form in any form,we do not even see trough a glass darkly but we see trough minds distorted,even face to face the best we see of truth is that it is a mask of lies,truth is a mask made of lies ,just remember every so often you have to somehow remove it and replace it with another,because humans in their many roles of helplessness, have a charming little quality ,a continuing small opportunity ,an ability to remove the mask and quickly replace it with another this is your blessing and your curse you have to live with it, absolute truth is the space between both a precious tiny little moment yet so close to eternity ,you find it when you are praying when you are sharing and giving, when you are loving in brief when you are learning about yourself,away from distraction and useless noise.

Prejudice is ignorance it is a lie!it steals ones own ability to appreciate and honour their own existence and give it the attention it rightfully deserves by exploring it in depth.

Thank you very much for taking the time to read my humble words,i hope i did not offend your feelings in anyway,if so may Allah swt forgive me it was not my intention at all .

PS.Please kindly have a look at the vid below inschallah it will be worth watching,he speaks a little louder but he is no monster trust me it is worth watching, it is called "the purpose of life"by sheikh Khalid yassin,if you think it is bubbles just remember Gerry springer is worse!
:)
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Best regards
Jameel
 

dianek

Junior Member
Hi,,there is an old from where i come from, it says:listen to the one that makes you cry not the one that makes you laugh!there is little to be tickled with, in a world where 800 million people go to "bed" without a single piece of bread!and others share the wealth among themselves like shameless monkey wannabees at their costs ,and preach love and harmony at the same time!!!!!! please try to analyze things into their right perspective before making hazardous judgements about scholars,i would rather have someone that uses a more angry tone and speaks the truth with substance than another hypocrite that lies openly with a big smile on his face claiming it to be a sign of love and compassion.

Frankly the only thing am concerned about here are the children.I believe that this holiday break is a great thing , and am positive inschallah that if you stick around you will have a couple of tips as to how to get your rights in a respectfull relationship with his own weapon ,make this knowledge yours!help him be a better Muslim by studying the Quran and Sunna it is so easy nowadays just one click and there you go, you have all the informations you need to know,please give your familly another chance ,and try to look at it with a little more of relativism and wisdom,as you are both bound to the well being of your children,am sure your husband will change his attitude towards you, surprise him try to compete with him in the matter and put him right back to his place when he does something against the teachings of Islam that will not be any different from the teachings of your own scripture as a Unitarian christian!!.(i can quote!!!!no problem;) )

You know dear friend time and health are the most precious things we got in this life,it is up to us to make the best use out of them!

Because am sure that if we heard, your husbands version of the story we will also hear him complaining this does not mean that am not believing you,or that i wanna steal this moment that you are pouring your heart in from you !am simply maybe realizing that as a third person ,am not in a position to judge both of you ,as i do not know you ,so i fear Allah swt from being unjust in my statement to any of you ,the only thing that i can sincerely advice you would be for you to meet at the middle,you have a lot in common com on!encourage one another to do good deeds!there is enough to do in our world!but if both of you live with the sense of responsibility and thee awareness of inescapable accountability in front of god then you will both be mindful enough not to hurt each other.


I have heard a lot of people complaining before about their marriages and then they separate and marry again and separate again and marry or end up like Robinson Crusoe with a dog and a Parrot ,somewhere in a lost Island not wanting to hear from human beings and their dispicablness anymore.an there you go a big Tsunami comes and even our "heavenly "Island disappears ,and fades away like everything else,living us naked and helpless as if we had to start everything all over again!:(


See nothing in this life lasts,because as space is curved so is form in any form,we do not even see trough a glass darkly but we see trough minds distorted,even face to face the best we see of truth is that it is a mask of lies,truth is a mask made of lies ,just remember every so often you have to somehow remove it and replace it with another,because humans in their many roles of helplessness, have a charming little quality ,a continuing small opportunity ,an ability to remove the mask and quickly replace it with another this is your blessing and your curse you have to live with it, absolute truth is the space between both a precious tiny little moment yet so close to eternity ,you find it when you are praying when you are sharing and giving, when you are loving in brief when you are learning about yourself,away from distraction and useless noise.

Prejudice is ignorance it is a lie!it steals ones own ability to appreciate and honour their own existence and give it the attention it rightfully deserves by exploring it in depth.

Thank you very much for taking the time to read my humble words,i hope i did not offend your feelings in anyway,if so may Allah swt forgive me it was not my intention at all .

PS.Please kindly have a look at the vid below inschallah it will be worth watching,he speaks a little louder but he is no monster trust me it is worth watching, it is called "the purpose of life"by sheikh Khalid yassin,if you think it is bubbles just remember Gerry springer is worse!
:)
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Best regards
Jameel

Well he will just tell you I am WONDERFUL except when I am crazy which is anytime I am overwhelmed by him and kids. Or when he pushes me to kisten to him preach at me. I don't want him to know I am trying to learn about Islam......I don't want him to have the satisfaction......

Thank you for your post. I plan to finish reading the Koran and I will come here with questions.....

But here is one for you.....if christianity is wrong...and I have prayed for the truth....explain how then would I dream of demons and ghosts and in response to them form a cross with my hand and repeat The Psalms and they then isappear? I sometimes feel that God is telling me christianity is the path? My husband tells me the devil is doing that to me......I have these dreams frequently. Can God not guide us thru dreams?

By the way, I do not stand in the way of him teaching the children Islam. My 5 year old can recite 13 Aayahs....my 3 yr old 5 aayahs.
 

dawahforever

Junior Member
All the prophets came with the same message to worship one God. The message got distorted later by humans. Jesus' (pbuh) message was the truth but has been changed and was already changed by the time Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) came. A great book to read which I read when I was Christian is called Jesus A prophet of Islam. This will thoroughly explain things for you. The Bible , The Quran and Science by Maurice Bucaille as well is a great read.
 

dianek

Junior Member
All the prophets came with the same message to worship one God. The message got distorted later by humans. Jesus' (pbuh) message was the truth but has been changed and was already changed by the time Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) came. A great book to read which I read when I was Christian is called Jesus A prophet of Islam. This will thoroughly explain things for you. The Bible , The Quran and Science by Maurice Bucaille as well is a great read.

I actually have the mini booklet of Jesus in Islam. Thank you for the recommendations on things to read. Does anyone know the ratio of Muslim reverts that are Caucasian American Women? I would be interested in knowing that. Or any stats on Christian husband and wives who convert that are American. Thanks!
 

UmmOf3

Junior Member
I dont know about the US, but here in Norway, maybe 99,99% of the new muslim women, are caucasian... And the men too. Just a few are from other countries by orgin. And its around 2000 reverts here in Norway, growing each week though. But very few men come to islaam here hehe, but also that number is growing. And they are almost all caucasian.
 

ama6621

Junior Member
Assalam Alaikum,
Sister you can check out this book Daughters of Another Path: Experiences of American Women Choosing Islam by Carol Anderson Anway. I found it at the public library. Its not a very interesting read but will give you a brief background of some American women that accepted Islam.

Assalam Alaikum
 

dianek

Junior Member
Assalam Alaikum,
Sister you can check out this book Daughters of Another Path: Experiences of American Women Choosing Islam by Carol Anderson Anway. I found it at the public library. Its not a very interesting read but will give you a brief background of some American women that accepted Islam.

Assalam Alaikum

Thank you, I have seen that one before, did not read though. Also thank you for the stats on the reverts.
 

samiha

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Staff member
Assalamu alaykum

Ok, sorry this took so long to show back up on the threads again :D It's just when i first saw it I had the wrong impression so I had to go back, but at that time I was busy.

However, the thread has not been deleted.

A few points I'd like to mention going through this whole thing would be:

1) PLEASE abide our Islaamic rules imposed here and do not give your own opinions! None of us are mujtahid! We dont' have the right to interpret Islaam, and make fatwas of our own. People must realize the actual gravity of this matter, because to misguide someone with our opinions is very disasterous in the Deen. I don't have the hadith with me, which says in Hell it'll be like one who has to collect his intestines, and its length will increase with the number of people he/she misguides. (I hope someone knows the actual wording) So we have to be very careful of these issues.

2) We as Muslims are also required to be kind and respectful for all members regardless of what religion they are. Try to be understanding of them and explain in the best manner yes?

3) For our Non-Muslim Users, we realize somethings in Islaam may be confusing, or frustrating or both, but we also need you to cooperate with us in the sense to just ask without accusing right? I mean, don't say Muslim women are being tortured or oppressed, rather ask US if we are and think so. Just as an example. Questioning is allowed in all due rights, so feel free to do that :)

4) I hope everyone clears thier mind henseforth from any grudges, as remember, one of the Sahabah granted paradise was because he held no grudges against anyone by the time he fell asleep. Forgive each other and love for the sake of the Deen. :) So my fellow users, excuse me if i sound harsh and forgive me for the delay in returning this to you all. If you feel that i have wronged any of you, forgive me for that as well.

Barakaallahu feekum -

PS >> try to stay on topic yes? but don't give opinions... if you want a different thread for opinions, please make one... but not for things related to Fiqh.

I suggest you find information on the rights of a non-muslim, and the rights of a Muslim. However before that, i suggest you just look into Islaam, not the branches, but rather the root. Look at the cores of Islaam and then the more specific matters, because some of us might say that things seemed hard and harsh to us until we understood our religion more. Eeman (faith) softens the heart and gives way to the path of doing the deeds that are righteous.

ok... :)

wasalam
 

Ahmed ibn Ibrahim

alhamdulilah
Regarding swimsuits......how can women be expected to be FULLY covered in 100 degree weather and to swim like that with the clothes schaffing their legs. Is Islam really that biased? Why do MEN get to have ALL the enjoyment and satisfaction out of life? And tell me this, if my husband knows this as a muslim, then shouldn't he STOP forcing me to go to the beach and suffer as he enjoys himself? I am stubborn so I don't wear a swimsuit to avoid large scale war but I DO wear shorts and dare him to say anything about that. I am tired of him imposing his faith on me. If I want to be Muslim I will do so until then, let me be! I feel as though I get all the punishment because I am not muslim without committing the sins! Does that make sense?

Hello Diane,

May God bless you for your sincere intentions here, and may He bless your marriage as well. It must be a challenge not to see eye-to-eye on issues that you no doubt see as trivial, when there are a plethora of other more pressing matters in your lives. I would urge you to be patient with your husband; I assure you that his intentions are honorable.

Your post I quoted above made me chuckle - the first part anyway, about men getting ALL the enjoyment and satisfaction. Yes, it is truly enjoyable to have the responsibility to protect our families, to provide everything for our wives, to have the burden of leadership in the home, to provide whatever dowry our wives ask for, to ensure that our wives are able to pursue whatever education they desire, to always listen to and respect the feelings of our wives... Believe me, there are a tonne of responsibilities and standards that we men have to live up to - All the while knowing that God is keeping record of our thoughts, words, and deeds. And if you aren't recieving certain rights (as prescribed by God Almighty in Islam) then you have the ability to demand them, and we must accept.

There's a saying of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) that goes like: "The best among you are those who are best to their wives". This includes you as a Christian, and your husband must do everything in his power to ensure that you are happy and taken care of, as long as what you ask for doesn't contradict the principles of Islam... which is where it sounds like you guys are struggling. God-willing, with a little tolerance and a little more understanding, you guys will find peace and happiness once again.

And you're right about Islam being "harsh" - there are indeed many rules and examples for us to follow, but I assure you that these exist for the benefit of everyone and to please God in our obedience. For example, I'm sure that you can relate to the principle of "Don't murder" or "Don't steal", and the negative consequences that will follow if we break God's commandments, both in this life and in the hereafter. The same goes for following paganistic practices, being otherwise immoral, exposing ourselves to the filth on TV, etc. If you can't relate to this, understand that we're just trying our best to be good people, follow the examples of the Prophets (PBUT), and to please the Lord.

I think that I have a workable compramise for your beach situation. There are bathing suits out there for ladies that are light, breathable, comfortable and cover up to the wrists and down to the ankles. Some are even made from a special material that lets some of the sun's rays through so that you can tan! =) A Hijaab is usually attached, but of course you could choose not to wear it. There are many different designs and colors available... let me try to find a suitable link for you, hmmm... Here's one website, but I personally think the styles and colors are a little gaudy. Maybe you won't. My wife got a really nice one, but I can't think of the website she got it from. If you're interested, I can ask her about it when we get home later.

Take care,
Brandon/Ahmed

edit: Here's another website with a differently designed swimsuit, with (I think) much better colors and patterns. Still trying to find the really nice ones ... FOUND IT! =) They're from a Turkish company called Hasema, and I know that there are some stores in the States who sell their products. Unfortunately it seems they're website is ill atm, but hopefully by the time you read this it'll be back up and healthy. ;-) I hope this helps.
 

dianek

Junior Member
Hello Diane,

May God bless you for your sincere intentions here, and may He bless your marriage as well. It must be a challenge not to see eye-to-eye on issues that you no doubt see as trivial, when there are a plethora of other more pressing matters in your lives. I would urge you to be patient with your husband; I assure you that his intentions are honorable.

Your post I quoted above made me chuckle - the first part anyway, about men getting ALL the enjoyment and satisfaction. Yes, it is truly enjoyable to have the responsibility to protect our families, to provide everything for our wives, to have the burden of leadership in the home, to provide whatever dowry our wives ask for, to ensure that our wives are able to pursue whatever education they desire, to always listen to and respect the feelings of our wives... Believe me, there are a tonne of responsibilities and standards that we men have to live up to - All the while knowing that God is keeping record of our thoughts, words, and deeds. And if you aren't recieving certain rights (as prescribed by God Almighty in Islam) then you have the ability to demand them, and we must accept.

There's a saying of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) that goes like: "The best among you are those who are best to their wives". This includes you as a Christian, and your husband must do everything in his power to ensure that you are happy and taken care of, as long as what you ask for doesn't contradict the principles of Islam... which is where it sounds like you guys are struggling. God-willing, with a little tolerance and a little more understanding, you guys will find peace and happiness once again.

And you're right about Islam being "harsh" - there are indeed many rules and examples for us to follow, but I assure you that these exist for the benefit of everyone and to please God in our obedience. For example, I'm sure that you can relate to the principle of "Don't murder" or "Don't steal", and the negative consequences that will follow if we break God's commandments, both in this life and in the hereafter. The same goes for following paganistic practices, being otherwise immoral, exposing ourselves to the filth on TV, etc. If you can't relate to this, understand that we're just trying our best to be good people, follow the examples of the Prophets (PBUT), and to please the Lord.

I think that I have a workable compramise for your beach situation. There are bathing suits out there for ladies that are light, breathable, comfortable and cover up to the wrists and down to the ankles. Some are even made from a special material that lets some of the sun's rays through so that you can tan! =) A Hijaab is usually attached, but of course you could choose not to wear it. There are many different designs and colors available... let me try to find a suitable link for you, hmmm... Here's one website, but I personally think the styles and colors are a little gaudy. Maybe you won't. My wife got a really nice one, but I can't think of the website she got it from. If you're interested, I can ask her about it when we get home later.

Take care,
Brandon/Ahmed

edit: Here's another website with a differently designed swimsuit, with (I think) much better colors and patterns. Still trying to find the really nice ones ... FOUND IT! =) They're from a Turkish company called Hasema, and I know that there are some stores in the States who sell their products. Unfortunately it seems they're website is ill atm, but hopefully by the time you read this it'll be back up and healthy. ;-) I hope this helps.

Dear Brandon:

Your words in this one paragraph brought tears to my eyes.
"Your post I quoted above made me chuckle - the first part anyway, about men getting ALL the enjoyment and satisfaction. Yes, it is truly enjoyable to have the responsibility to protect our families, to provide everything for our wives, to have the burden of leadership in the home, to provide whatever dowry our wives ask for, to ensure that our wives are able to pursue whatever education they desire, to always listen to and respect the feelings of our wives... Believe me, there are a tonne of responsibilities and standards that we men have to live up to - All the while knowing that God is keeping record of our thoughts, words, and deeds. And if you aren't recieving certain rights (as prescribed by God Almighty in Islam) then you have the ability to demand them, and we must accept."

I say that because I recieved no dowry, I rec'd only a ring for engagement that I picked out on Ebay for 140.00, as I felt guilty to ask for more. My husband does not provide everything for me. I work Full time, I use ALL my money to pay the mortgage and household bills only to get yelled out if a bill falls behind because I didn't have the money to pay for it and was afraid to ask him as he gets enraged. I can't even enjoy my children in the evenings as I am rushing about to clean the mess he has left me from the day he was here with the kids playing and then cook him dinner. I feel guilt ridden in so many things that I just don't ask for them (new clothes, gas for the car) while he builds himself a home overseas and is shipping a brand new car to his home their....It hurts to know that he treats me this way and he should not.
 

gangstaat

Allah Hu Akbar
MASHAALAH
Sister DIANE you are a quick learner
I pray to Allah to give u and you husband Hidayaa(guidance) to follow the correct path.
and may ALLAH SWT protect you and your family.
 

AZAM_SIDDIQUI

Junior Member
wiselydeal wth the situation for the childrens sake

ey dianek dont be angry. is virgin mary not part of he christian heritge.oh m God she is .have ouever seen her in a swimsuit? what she wears is what Almighty God asks every women to wear when in public.the call that modesty. it seems to me that you are a very brave lady who is not really worried about not being able to wear a swimsuit but about what i feel are double standards by ur husband.islam is stricter on men when i comes to modesty.tell ur husband that when he is at the beach is he not supposed to cover himdself atleast from the navel to the knees.that you have been following ur husbands wishes shows you are not only mature but a kind lady.so ask ur husband when ohers are not supposed to be looking at ur seminaked body [which anway even ur kids wud not like],then is he supposed to be around other naked women.modesty is part of he christian heriage.as far as relations with ur parents are concerned he shud be understanding.i think why not apart from the controversial days.go and have fun.what muslims forget is that saying of the prophet Muhammad that
"a hard hearted man is farthest from Allah"
the best of you is he who is best to his wife"
pedants will go to hell"
the greatest blessing is a chaste wife"
he who doesnot thank people doesno thank Allah"puting a piece of food in ur wifes mouth out of love is charity."
good manners are the mark of a good muslim."
HONESTL SPEAKING YOU NEED TO TAKE THE LEAD HERE.AS A MUSLIMS WIFE YOU HAVE GREAT RIGHTS OU NEED TO FIND THEM OUT FROM QURAN AND PROPHETS SAYINGS.FOR STARTERS EVEN IF OU REFUSE TO CARE FOR UR CHILDREN HE CANT FORCE YOU TO DO IT!LEAVE ALONE OTHER Calmighty Allah says
"we made you out of a single soul,male and female"
"that you may dwell in tranquili with each other "
i ell ou something secret with qurans help you can open he locks in his heartand mind and then afterall the poor man seems to love you to the extent of being possessive.only insecurit he has and his deepest wish seems to be that u were a muslim so you cud support each other in ur spiriul life.
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
Well he will just tell you I am WONDERFUL except when I am crazy which is anytime I am overwhelmed by him and kids. Or when he pushes me to kisten to him preach at me. I don't want him to know I am trying to learn about Islam......I don't want him to have the satisfaction......

Thank you for your post. I plan to finish reading the Koran and I will come here with questions.....

But here is one for you.....if christianity is wrong...and I have prayed for the truth....explain how then would I dream of demons and ghosts and in response to them form a cross with my hand and repeat The Psalms and they then isappear? I sometimes feel that God is telling me christianity is the path? My husband tells me the devil is doing that to me......I have these dreams frequently. Can God not guide us thru dreams?

By the way, I do not stand in the way of him teaching the children Islam. My 5 year old can recite 13 Aayahs....my 3 yr old 5 aayahs.
Hello,hope you are doing fine inschallah,

Well curiosity is a sign of ones youth and children with their bright and hungry eyes are the best witnesses of that ,mashallah may allah swt protect your children.

I am personaly far from being a dream interpreter,and what id to suggest to you may be less extravagant at first sight but is really worth a second tought i believe,because what if the other 6 billion persones did not have the same dreams?does that mean they won`t have access to the divine mercy?would we go as far as to say that God allmighty in his infinite wisdom and justice has failed to make it accessible to all his creatures and afterwards punish them for that!(god forbid!astarfirullah),and how can we prove to the whole humanity with our instinctive sense of compassion and sharing our dream to be a true guidance?!

We can not control our dreams in the same way we can not be eye witnesses any longer of the many miracles that were performed by the prophets of god may Allah swt be pleased with them all.

To be truly guided one needs to make use of Allah swt innate gift to him as a rational thinking creature,he should be able to think intelligently,to reflect deeply,to asses objectively and to decide reasonably what teachings comprise for him the best guidance to follow.

Allah swt sent prophet Muhammad S.A.W as a universal messenger to mankind,giving them glad tiding and warning them against sin(Glorious Quran 34:28)he sent him to perfect all moral values and to serve as the best example for mankind to follow,he came S.a.w in an era where the entire world had forsaken the path of piety,rightousness and and truth, just like it is today he and his teachings reemerge and are still ever present, causing controversies ,attracting the attention,impacting the news and the headlines throughout the world!!!in a world where the monopole of wealth is being shared among a minority of individuals and lobbies alhamdulillah that is a good sign no brainer!

As i said he came during an era of Darkness,reliance on superstition,multiplicity of of conflicts of beliefs and inhuman practices,that shaped the lives of men and women to enlighten the whole world with Allah swt teachings.

An unletterd man signifies that the prophet S.A.W could never have been the author of such a magnificient masterpiece like the Holy Quran,unequaled and unrivaled,in the rich and eloquent Arabic literature until this day The challenge is open!( Holy Quran 2:22,23),a book that could never be,the creation of human mind ,but that was meant to change human tought and the shape of human history forever, and continues to to so until this day .

The companions of the prophet S.A.W his closest friends and relatives knew him,they were near him,observing him in every gesture and analizing every word reaction he had in the face of various situations,they would never have,believed,sacrificed,everything to follow him if they had not witnessed in him the qualities and charisma of a prophet of god and the noble purpose of his teachings and behaviour,they would never have endured,the harshness ,the persecution,the suffering,the poverty the loss of wealth and hunger they went trough,if they did not observe in the message he was uttering ,something which was beyond human capacity, a divin message!See an analytical view upon prophets Muhammad prophethood"WHO Wrote The Quran

here:http://75.126.222.101/data/en/ih_books/signal/en_Who_Wrote_The_Quran.pdf

During the liftime of the prophet,the companions had memorized the whole Quran, after his death the rightly guided sahaba uthman ibn affan R.A ,ordered the production of the first copy of the Quran that is still to be witnessed today in Topkapi museum in istanbul and another copy is preserved in tachkent!.

Therefore we will have to agree that the Quran is a book Sui Generiswithout doubt the best preserved book of the late antiquity,if you use the search option here on TTi you can see pics from the original Quran of 1400 years ago!where every word ,every letter ,hasn`t changed,and is completely identical to the one we have today!

Am sure you and i can agree upon the fact, that we have a creator,our logic tell us that if there is a creation there is a creator,if this magnifiecient creation is set in such a perfect and balanced manner and governed by laws of physics and mathematics that we did not create on our own than there has got to be some supreme being that has created it! this creator has to be unique not like anything we have seen isn`t it?

We see everything around and in us have a purpose,every single part of our body alone has a purpose and a function ,that we did not create!they were given to us at some point isn`t it? So how could we humans as a whole have no purpose see what i mean?and how are we to know anyways if our purpose as a whole if it is not given to us from somewhere?we take care of our bodies and alhamdulillah we are doing fine, but why are we still talking about this matter right at this moment!why are you ,and why am i searching to know more,do we dare to think that we are more than,a simple combination of molecules and atoms connected to each other that are meant to accomplish some meaningless robotic functions.

The creator the one that gave it`s purpose to anything we are sourounded by is it possible that he would have planned for us no purpose but to eat drink dance and chill!

We know the purpose of plants,of mountains,the purpose of the rain and the sunlight,through the intelligence given by our creator ,but what would the purpose of our intelligence?is it possible for the brain to examine the brain!, again we use our intelligence as a tool to discover,understand and classify things,but why!!!!!!!!and there you go cool down Jameel before you end up in a psychaitric clinic for elders at such a young and pretty age you handsome you! logic cruches against it`s own logic and fall down like superposed card puzzle!Heeeeeeeeeeeelp am losing my Capital others are going to start thinking for me,does that mean they are going to be using my brain,and all the functions it commands too.you know like the one that says Jameel go to the bathroom,stutter,and what if the :salam2: persons using my brain where drug addicts what if they were,some star academy David beckam or Mac donalds fans!Enough with Irony!

AS Albert einstein truly stated "science without religion is nothing, and religion without science is lame "Alhamdulillah in Islam we have both,the prophet of islam S.A.w has made the search for knowledge a must (a form of worship)for every muslim! before Einsteins parents haven`t even ordered him yet.

Both of us have reached our limits,we engage in a vicious and a doubt increasing adventure of circular thinking,and no matter how smarter we cqan try to get on each other,none of us will resolve this enigma,unless the creator in his mercy and infinite compassion can tell us about our purpose isn`t i?,.He would naturally give us some indication of what is good and what is bad for us,as he the knower of all things is more likely to know about us more than we do isn`t it,and above all he would let us know what he intends for us to do and not necessarily what we would want him to tell us to do.therefore we need some knid of what is called a revelation ,that we would be able to understand through a messenger.But the thing is am having a little doubt here in fact anybody could claim to be a messenger for some sort of benefit isn`t it?This means there must be irrefutable evidence ,to determine without doubt the messenger is he who he claims to be,for us to accept the message,he proposes as a divine revelation.Something beyond human ability to achieve would be necessary for us to stabilize without doubt the integrity of the messenger isn`t it?

We would need some kind of proof that would stand the test of time,the evidence we have to continue existing in it`s original form without alteration or variation to the text until the end of humanity,the messenger should bring a revelation to the man in a clear form and it would need necessarily to be in existing language,to be able to verify it at any point in time isnt it?

Therefore a language in it `s original form and that still exists today to avoid any sort of misinterpretation ,Verification of the revelation must be available and,understandable,testable at any given time and for everyone to see isnt it?
Ongoing discoveries,independent of the revelation itself should continue to bring a proof to consolidate claims within the revelation . allhamdulillah
See the commentaries of contemporary world top non muslim scientists and ,intellectuals accross history here:
:http://www.islamicmedicine.org/nonmuslim.htm
http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/aboutislam.htm

And also this:
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let us examine now some,irrefutable point which are really valid i think ,for you to wanna use your precious time and learn about this humble man the Last messenger of god Muhammad S.A.W:

1.Muhammad S.A.W was an illeterate man unable to read or write,and remained like that till his death,among his people he was known as the trustwothy,before the revelation he had no prior knowledge of older scriptures,yet the quran and the hadeeth tell us about events present in the thorah (of moses Pbuh) an injil(of jesus Pbuh),in great detail and even proven to be with greater accuracy,according to the latest archeological ,and historical findings(see maurice bucaille on the pharao Minephta the one that dealt with moses(pbuh) or ,the city of qumaran,that before moses there were no Pharaos in Egypte but kings and the bibles faill to differantiate for example...etc).for the first forty years of his life the prophet has shown no sign or desire to have planned to start a prophetic carrier.

2:Muhammad S.A.W also foretold everything that would occur to him and his community of victory,removal of the oppressive king of persia and Cesar and the establishment of the religion of islam and it`s spreading throughout the earth,the evnts occured exactly as the prophet foretold ,as if hje was reading from an open book!


3.Muhammad S.A.W also brought an Arabic Quran that is the peak of ,eloquence and clarity it challenged those eloquent and fluent Arabs of the time,to produce just one chapter like it!today 1400 year after the challenge is still open !!!!!

4-The life history of the prophet of islam the perfect example of being upright,truthfull,generous,brave,merciful,kind,asketic in worldly matters,patient and minding only for the rewards of the hereafter,in all actions and deallings he was mindful of god.

5-Allah swt has instilled great love for the prophet,in the hearts of those who believe in him and met him ,this love has reached such a degree that any of his companions would willingly sacrifice his or herself mother or father for himtill today those who believe in him honour and love him,would ransom their own familly their wealth to see him ,even if but ones.

6-all of history have not preserved the life of a persone in this detail,who is the most influential man in human history as a whole,nor has the entire earth known of anyone with this impact on the masses.Every morning and evening troughout the day he is thought of by those believe in him,greet him and Ask Allah swt to bless him with full heart and love for him.

7-nor has there being any single man on earth who is still followed in all his gestures and doings by those who believe in him even to the point of his way of sleeping ofd,eating,repating the same words he used to say when he greeted,or left or entered the house,left or entered the bathroom,the mosque,drin,king,dressing,travelling riding....etc

8-There has never been any one who has and is being followed by individuals of all races and colors ,cultures,many of those who followed,fol and still will be following him were previously hindous,jews christians,pagans ,communistes,capitalistes,feminists,agnostics...etc yet they are know brothers and sisters,as simple as that regarless of status or wealth,Read the book "Road to mekka"By Muhammad Asad (rahimahoullah)

9-Nor is it of the ability of a single human being by himself to place a law based upon justice,equality,mercy and objectivity for all human activity on earth,all spheres of human activity like buying selling,marriage divorce,renting ,testimony,custody,he spread teachings regarding charachters and manners towards ones parents ,relatives,friends,guests,familly humanity,animals,plants..etc it is impossible for a single human being to come up with all of this from his own mind no matter how intellectually well in doubt they might be.

I leave you with this for now,inschallah you will find some kind of benefit in this links i gave,everything right that i said is from allah swt,everything wrong is from me ,i ask the forgiveness of Allah swt for that.



Ps.here are a couple of verse for you ,please ponder about them ,do not tell me what you think,keep it for yourself,please !!!:

Genesis 17:3"and Abraham fell down on his face and prayed

Exodus 34:8And moses made hast,and bowed his head toward the earth and worshiped"

Matthew 26:39" and he (jesus) went a little further and fell on his face and prayed..."


Best regards May Allah swt bless you and you familly and guide us all inschallah

Jameel
 

AZAM_SIDDIQUI

Junior Member
dianek dreams can be the result of what we as in our egos want to do.they ll it the subconscious.its the result of onflicts.if someone killid my dear one on a cross would i never touch a cross unless i was satan.and if i were God i wudnever leave my prophet down there!
thats what God did.. as it says in the Quran.
 

Ahmed ibn Ibrahim

alhamdulilah
Dear Brandon:

Your words in this one paragraph brought tears to my eyes.
"Your post I quoted above made me chuckle - the first part anyway, about men getting ALL the enjoyment and satisfaction. Yes, it is truly enjoyable to have the responsibility to protect our families, to provide everything for our wives, to have the burden of leadership in the home, to provide whatever dowry our wives ask for, to ensure that our wives are able to pursue whatever education they desire, to always listen to and respect the feelings of our wives... Believe me, there are a tonne of responsibilities and standards that we men have to live up to - All the while knowing that God is keeping record of our thoughts, words, and deeds. And if you aren't recieving certain rights (as prescribed by God Almighty in Islam) then you have the ability to demand them, and we must accept."

I say that because I recieved no dowry, I rec'd only a ring for engagement that I picked out on Ebay for 140.00, as I felt guilty to ask for more. My husband does not provide everything for me. I work Full time, I use ALL my money to pay the mortgage and household bills only to get yelled out if a bill falls behind because I didn't have the money to pay for it and was afraid to ask him as he gets enraged. I can't even enjoy my children in the evenings as I am rushing about to clean the mess he has left me from the day he was here with the kids playing and then cook him dinner. I feel guilt ridden in so many things that I just don't ask for them (new clothes, gas for the car) while he builds himself a home overseas and is shipping a brand new car to his home their....It hurts to know that he treats me this way and he should not.

Hey again Diane,

I didn't realize that your situation has become so strenuous. =( It's very disheartening to hear of Brothers treating their believing wives in such a way, when the rest of us are out here bending over backwards to fulfill our obligations. Of course, it's a known issue in our Ummah (word meaning: world-wide Muslim community/body) but it has nothing to do with Islam or the example that the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) set for us.

Like any group of people, I suppose, there will be those who are ignorant or defiant of what is right... I would respectfully suggest to you to investigate the rights of women in Islam: You may be shocked. I know that I was, after hearing all my life how the Women's Sufferage movement was the first step in giving women their rights and due respect... when in reality women were given far more extensive rights by God (even by today's Western standards) 1400 years ago. /shrug

There is a respectful and loving manner for you to approach your husband's iniquities, that may prove to awaken that charming Islamic sense and reason in him once again. =) Surely you love the man, and want what's best for him... and what's best for him is to follow his religion! Down to the last letter! (the "harsh"ness of Islam proving its worth once again ;-) ) And you don't have to be a Muslim in order for him to follow this way of life, or for you to be offered your due rights. Go ahead and use the search function on our website to look through the "Rights of Women in Islam" ... hehe, then compare them to the rights that men can expect (if you can even find them ;-p).

If talking to him doesn't work out... I see 3 options: Talk to his parents, talk to his Sheyk (a Muslim pastor, if you will), or divorce him. If you are truly as poorly respected as you give the impression of (ie: you're not just saying this coz you're upset or angry, making things to be worse than they really are) then something needs to change. This is not the Christian way, and it is certainly not the Muslim way. Perhaps a 4th option is to send him to TurnToIslam and we'll do what we can to talk with him.

I will pray that God comforts your heart, for with Him alone do we find rest. Try to remain patient. Pray. God has a purpose for everything, right..? =) Take care, Diane.

With respect,
Brandon
 

AZAM_SIDDIQUI

Junior Member
Dear Brandon:

Your words in this one paragraph brought tears to my eyes.
"Your post I quoted above made me chuckle - the first part anyway, about men getting ALL the enjoyment and satisfaction. Yes, it is truly enjoyable to have the responsibility to protect our families, to provide everything for our wives, to have the burden of leadership in the home, to provide whatever dowry our wives ask for, to ensure that our wives are able to pursue whatever education they desire, to always listen to and respect the feelings of our wives... Believe me, there are a tonne of responsibilities and standards that we men have to live up to - All the while knowing that God is keeping record of our thoughts, words, and deeds. And if you aren't recieving certain rights (as prescribed by God Almighty in Islam) then you have the ability to demand them, and we must accept."

I say that because I recieved no dowry, I rec'd only a ring for engagement that I picked out on Ebay for 140.00, as I felt guilty to ask for more. My husband does not provide everything for me. I work Full time, I use ALL my money to pay the mortgage and household bills only to get yelled out if a bill falls behind because I didn't have the money to pay for it and was afraid to ask him as he gets enraged. I can't even enjoy my children in the evenings as I am rushing about to clean the mess he has left me from the day he was here with the kids playing and then cook him dinner. I feel guilt ridden in so many things that I just don't ask for them (new clothes, gas for the car) while he builds himself a home overseas and is shipping a brand new car to his home their....It hurts to know that he treats me this way and he should not.

it makes my blood boil like hell.this is why usury,interest is banned in islam.mortagesand stuff living from installment toins.....the bloody lie of the decepive american dream. it omes true only for the t5% rich who soak the sweat of people in their swimming pols.tell ur husband usury is not allowed? its a sin.as it forever was.the jews were cursed bcoz of this.sister di i tell u u are turning to islam,inshallah. COZ G0d never had a son.the first thing u do after turning to islam....convert ur husband!
 

Ahmed ibn Ibrahim

alhamdulilah
Yeah it makes me pretty mad too... but, my Brothers, my Sisters, let's keep the preaching down to a minimum. I'm sure that Dianne gets enough at home. If she has any questions, or is interested in looking through Islamic knowledge, she can come to TTI on her own accord. =)
 

samiha

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Staff member
Just wanted to add quickly!

I just wanted to mention a few points, before I have to really go ...

1) a few months ago now, my father took me and my brothers to go swimming. (personal pool, there was nobody there at all) :D I was in full gear, head to toe... with a hijab and it was like... a few years now since i'd gone swimming and I didn't go under once ;) ... I mean sure it takes some time to balance out the weight, but when you're in the water it doesn't matter too much i think. And any heat you have with the clothes, you would probably have without (although allahu alem i dunno). Besides, in some ways, doesn't carrying that extra weight help you become a stronger swimmer? I mean, if you fall off a boat and are in the water, you aren't going to *pop* and be in swim gear, and it's hard taking off clothes in the water ... so i mean... it's all in the eyes of the beholder. This sounds silly. However, i know a sister who learned how to swim by herself and her two daughters while still maintaining the hijab. So it's not like it's not possible...

anywayssss ...

Second thing was trust me, Islaam does not oppress me in anyway at all. I mean, right now I'm 15, I'm not quite thinking of marriage yet and it's not in my too near future, but i don't see it as oppression or that i have to do slave labor to my husband. Sure i realize there are problems, but that's in every single thing we do and attempt in life. And I don't judge all men but if they follow the guidlines of Islaam, they are in everyway wonderful, however i can't just say that about everyone, because i don't know them nor how much they adhere to Islaamic principles.

(I'd say a few more things here, but this isn't the section for that so :SMILY129:)

In Islaam, there's a way of life... every role in society is given and mapped out. It shows you the best characters, gives examples in people and wants us to strive to be the best we can. Is that bad? Why in todays societies is it condemned to strive to be "good" ?? Seems like being a "goody two shoes" is a slur, or a curse. Is there anything wrong in striving for perfection although we do not get it? I mean, we believe in Islaam that all actions are judged by intentions ... and thus our striving, our intentions and everything we do are judged accordingly. If we do a sin and tell ourselves that "i'm imperfect, i do sin" we believe that it's greater than had we done it out of ignorance. There is a balance in character and society and if every Muslim followed the Qur'aan and Sunnah our communites would reflect such characters. There are rights of a mother, father, sister, brother... each relative has a right. There are Islaamic rights to orphans, needy, and widows... it encompasses everything.

Do you feel that to be given your rights, and to give rights it is oppression? it's an open question and shall vary according to who it is. I mean say you took a track runner, and saw that he ran every day 5 miles... it might seem extreme to any regular person, but to him, it's quite easy and enjoyable. Or take that you love someone grately ok? If they asked you to do something would you deny them if it was a good thing? If they knew better would you say no? If someone gave you the greatest present in the world, and offered an even bigger one, and you loved them, what would you not do to please them??? Say even in monetary numbers someone gave you $5,000,000,000 and offered even more, but to get that other reward you had certain conditions, and you loved this person very much and everything they said was good and you KNEW it was good and better for you. Would you refuse in their face?

In an even GREATER way we love Allah/God... He is above love for other creatures, and we love Him for what He has given us of blessings in this world, and wish and hope for the reward in the everlasting hereafter. We don't believe in free tickets to Paradise. If nothing in this life is free, without work, why would anyone believe the greatest thing is ever free? We believe to attain paradise, our greatest goal, we have to sacrifice things, we have to give up things we would want to do, and work towards the righteous.

Do you know what Muslim means? All other religions are related to other places or people or things. Being Muslim is an act. Being Muslim is submitting to Islaam, submitting to Allah, the Almighty God and acting according to what He has asked us to do and staying away from what He has told us to abstain from. We seek to earn His Pleasure and through His Mercy acheive Paradise.

hehe, i never run out of things to say, but rather time to say it.

Forgive me if this was an overload of talk... :) i gotta run... :muslim_child:
 
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