The Fate of Islam and the 2008 Presidential Election

[B.H.]

I live in the US and was born a citizen over here. My family were all descended from the British and French colonists who came in the 1600's.

I majored in history in college earning a bachelors degree in the subject. I also made it half way through a masters program. I read voraciously. sometimes up to 60 books on subjects I am interested in. I get them off professor's reading lists found on the net in most cases to make sure I get at least half-way accurate information.

This is my opinion.

Allah can raise up who he wills and debase who he wills whenever and however he wants.

Yet, based on my observations on history as well as what I see in the US today it is my personable opinion the country is going to become poor and weak and ineffectual in contrast to what it has been the last fifty years.

For one, where I live crime is very bad. It seems every second or third person hired to work for you you have to fire because they are stealing. With theft so bad there is a general attitude of distrust among the public. Cynicism is rampant.

When you can't trust others, even the police, no one sticks together to see what needs to be done gets done or are too scared to stand up for what is right.

This means lots of things don't get done and stuff starts to fall apart.

This leads me to another observation. Most of your local leaders are corrupt and are in fact responsible for most of the economic problems the US is facing. Lots of times a business wants to come into a town but the local leaders (who own their own shops) won't let it. They fear the competition and possible wage rate increases the new business may force them to make, because the new business often offers more pay and benefits and the local leaders either can't afford or simply don't want to pay more than minimal wage. This is leading to large amounts of poverty and depression in many areas of the country economically speaking.

Another thing I see is that 1/3 of all children in the US are born in bastardy with the parents not even living together. This leads to children not being taught and brought up right and they in turn grow up and have warped children as well.

I have read to that up to 1/3 or 1/2 of Americans have to take some form of anti-depressant medication. From what I understand it is because our society is just too stressful and cutthroat now, and since most Americans are not Muslims they do not have the resources faith in Allah provides to combat these mental troubles. People just do not have any mental and spiritual peace anymore. People in such states just give up and don't care--apathy.

Last, our national leaders are corrupt and write the laws just to benefit themselves and no longer to see at least some justice done for the average citizen. As more and more people learn and become aware of this less people are going to actually care what happens to the country.

And of course you all know about the banking situation going on now. This is happening because of ungodly practices that have gone on in the industry for a long time and are now coming back to bite in full force.

Last, of those who go to church (most Americans claim to be Christian) they are fed watered down teachings on what is right and wrong. In years past a church would get onto someone for not living right whereas now all the pastors want is money in the contribution plate. People will go to church, live with a girlyfriend, and its all okay if you get where I am going. The churches as institutions will not fight moral failure and corruption anymore like they used to do.

These are all dangerous situations for a nation to be in. Nations in the past that have had problems such as this either perished or became weak.

 

[Abel213]

I live in the US and was born a citizen over here. My family were all descended from the British and French colonists who came in the 1600's.

I majored in history in college earning a bachelors degree in the subject. I also made it half way through a masters program. I read voraciously. sometimes up to 60 books on subjects I am interested in. I get them off professor's reading lists found on the net in most cases to make sure I get at least half-way accurate information.

This is my opinion.

Allah can raise up who he wills and debase who he wills whenever and however he wants.

Yet, based on my observations on history as well as what I see in the US today it is my personable opinion the country is going to become poor and weak and ineffectual in contrast to what it has been the last fifty years.

For one, where I live crime is very bad. It seems every second or third person hired to work for you you have to fire because they are stealing. With theft so bad there is a general attitude of distrust among the public. Cynicism is rampant.

When you can't trust others, even the police, no one sticks together to see what needs to be done gets done or are too scared to stand up for what is right.

This means lots of things don't get done and stuff starts to fall apart.

This leads me to another observation. Most of your local leaders are corrupt and are in fact responsible for most of the economic problems the US is facing. Lots of times a business wants to come into a town but the local leaders (who own their own shops) won't let it. They fear the competition and possible wage rate increases the new business may force them to make, because the new business often offers more pay and benefits and the local leaders either can't afford or simply don't want to pay more than minimal wage. This is leading to large amounts of poverty and depression in many areas of the country economically speaking.

Another thing I see is that 1/3 of all children in the US are born in bastardy with the parents not even living together. This leads to children not being taught and brought up right and they in turn grow up and have warped children as well.

I have read to that up to 1/3 or 1/2 of Americans have to take some form of anti-depressant medication. From what I understand it is because our society is just too stressful and cutthroat now, and since most Americans are not Muslims they do not have the resources faith in Allah provides to combat these mental troubles. People just do not have any mental and spiritual peace anymore. People in such states just give up and don't care--apathy.

Last, our national leaders are corrupt and write the laws just to benefit themselves and no longer to see at least some justice done for the average citizen. As more and more people learn and become aware of this less people are going to actually care what happens to the country.

And of course you all know about the banking situation going on now. This is happening because of ungodly practices that have gone on in the industry for a long time and are now coming back to bite in full force.

Last, of those who go to church (most Americans claim to be Christian) they are fed watered down teachings on what is right and wrong. In years past a church would get onto someone for not living right whereas now all the pastors want is money in the contribution plate. People will go to church, live with a girlyfriend, and its all okay if you get where I am going. The churches as institutions will not fight moral failure and corruption anymore like they used to do.

These are all dangerous situations for a nation to be in. Nations in the past that have had problems such as this either perished or became weak.

:salam2:

Persian war with Muslims- collapse (Rashidun)

Byzantine war with Muslims- collapse (Ottoman)

Napoleon war with Muslims- collapse (Ottoman)

British war with Muslims - collapse (Afghan)

Soviet war with Muslims- collapse (Afghan)

US war with Muslims- collapse? (Iraq Afghan Palestine)

 

[Zafran]

:salam2:

Persian war with Muslims- collapse (Rashidun)

Byzantine war with Muslims- collapse (Ottoman)

Napoleon war with Muslims- collapse (Ottoman)

British war with Muslims - collapse (Afghan)

Soviet war with Muslims- collapse (Afghan)

US war with Muslims- collapse? (Iraq Afghan Palestine)

salaam

The callapse of nations also applies to muslims eg

Mongol war with muslims - Muslims lost (possibly a punishment from God)

Spain and muslims in the middle ages under the Ummayads - Muslims lost again (due to the decdence and the lack of Jihad or spreading Islam to the non muslims).

Isreal war with muslim nations (reason muslims fighting for nationalism instaed of Islam)

British take over the Mugals - ( due to decadent/ unislamic mugal kings and ineffective stratagies to spread Islam, such as under Aurengzeb the policies to convert hindus were very harsh and unislamic)


The muslims today or divided, resort to suicide bombing or other extreme methods and bidaa/tribalism/captlism are wide spread - so is corruption, lying, cheating and use of violence.

I think the muslims have to sort themselves out before taking on anybody.

However the economic decline and the rising crime in america and the breakdown of families could be a punishment from Allah swt as Allah is the greatest of planners.

peace.

 

[Abel213]

salaam

The callapse of nations also applies to muslims eg

Mongol war with muslims - Muslims lost (possibly a punishment from God)

Spain and muslims in the middle ages under the Ummayads - Muslims lost again (due to the decdence and the lack of Jihad or spreading Islam to the non muslims).

Isreal war with muslim nations (reason muslims fighting for nationalism instaed of Islam)

British take over the Mugals - ( due to decadent/ unislamic mugal kings and ineffective stratagies to spread Islam, such as under Aurengzeb the policies to convert hindus were very harsh and unislamic)


The muslims today or divided, resort to suicide bombing or other extreme methods and bidaa/tribalism/captlism are wide spread - so is corruption, lying, cheating and use of violence.

I think the muslims have to sort themselves out before taking on anybody.

However the economic decline and the rising crime in america and the breakdown of families could be a punishment from Allah swt as Allah is the greatest of planners.

peace.

Time will tell bro, Inshallah.

 

[Munawar]

Muslims have more stigma attached to them today than any other ethnic group since the Japanese in WWII. I believe that the result of this election will dictate the future of muslims living in the West. All it takes, in my opinion, is one more attack on a western country, perhaps from the inside God forbid, and suddenly the entire west will be OFFICIALLY against us. I believe it will go to a situation as bad as detention, and perhaps deportation. I think, for muslims at least, this is perhaps the most important election in the history of the modern world.

Your thoughts?

:salam2:
Stigma !!! wow... we have stigma !!!
You are right brother... We do have stigma. But how did we get this stigma?

It is pretty magical, isn't it? It is like banks issue the loans using "fractional-reserve banking" or like "Federal Reserve" printing money - based upon no hard asset - and lending it to the US Government at a high interest rate.

A lot of magical things are happening these days. If you don't know brother then let me tell you that 9/11 was an Inside Job. Don't believe me... search yourself on Google or Yahoo for "9/11 Truth". Watch movies like
Loose Change
Painful deception
In Plane Site
TERRORSTORM
ENDGAME
etc etc.
Go to: www.911bloggers.com and there are many other websites explaining 9/11.

It took me long tome to accept this fact, I didn't want to accept that I was living in a Matrix, but ecventually I took the red pill. And the red pill showed me what this stigma is all about. You are right when you say:

All it takes, in my opinion, is one more attack on a western country, perhaps from the inside God forbid, and suddenly the entire west will be OFFICIALLY against us. I believe it will go to a situation as bad as detention, and perhaps deportation.

If you search on "FEMA Camp" you will find out where some of our detention camps are.

The United States Federal Emergency Management Agency has numerous detainment camps throughout the United States. Some camps have been recently constructed and / or renovated and are fully staffed. The existence of the camps coupled with Presidential Executive Orders giving the President and Department of Homeland Security (of which FEMA is now part) control over ‘national essential functions’ in the event of ‘catastrophic emergency’ have resulted in concerns that the camps will be used to forcefully detain American citizens for unconstitutional purposes. In January 2006 Haliburton subsidiary KBR announced that it had been awarded an “indefinite delivery / indefinite quantity contract to construct detention facilities for the Department of Homeland Security worth a maximum of $385 million over 5 years.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7763

The American people are very nice and they do not hate Muslims in general. Because of the "stigma" from the media they are a little skeptical about Muslims. After all they do believe that 9/11 was done by Muslims yet there are no riots or lynching on the streets. However I have a strong feeling that this will change after the next attack, and media is already preparing the public for it. Muslim populaton think America or the west as all one and they are all Christian, nothing can be futher from the truth. The ordinary people are Christian but the ruling elite are not, they are the decision maker and they are FreeMason, illuminati, Lucifarians. They worship Lord Lucifer as their true god. And they want to bring the pure doctrine of Lucifer into the open, but they are afraid of the reaction. They think they can subdue the American and Western public without much trouble, but Satan really irks from the Muslims and believes that they will never accept his doctrine. Hindus alreadty believe on hundreds of gods, so one more god wouldn't bother them at all. Similarly Budhist will have no problen accepting one more god. But Muslims will never accept the global rule of Lord Lucifer, that is why they are under attack. These days the Lucifarians are working overtime on stigmatizing Muslim and preparing to crush them after the next 9/11. After next 9/11 the remaining Muslim countries in the Middle East Iran, Syria, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia will come under attack. The Lucifarians believe that once they destroy the heartland of the Muslim world (i.e. the Muslim countries from Egypt to India) the rest of the Muslim countries will eventually come in line. So this is their plan, but I am sure Allah has other plan and Allah is the best of planners. Therefore you see it does not make sense to do 9/11 only once, there has to be a second one.

The things I said in the begining about "fractional-reserve banking" and "Federal Reserve" are one of the tools of Lucifarians to accumulate wealth. And these are the main rasons for this financial melt down we are in.

Fractional-Reserve Banking:
Fractional-reserve banking is the banking practice in which banks are required to keep only a fraction of their deposits in reserve with the choice of lending out the remainder while maintaining the obligation to redeem all deposits upon demand. This practice is universal in modern banking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking

http://www.basicincome.com/basic_banks.htm

Federal Reserve System
Representative Louis T. McFadden, chairman of the Housing Banking and Currency Committee, stated on June 10,1932, "Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are not Government institutions. They are private credit monopolies that prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign and domestic swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders."

In simple terms, the United States Government borrows money from the Federal Reserve Bank with interest. Here is how it works: The Government wants $1 billion. The Federal Reserve prints $1 billion - based upon no hard asset - and lends it to the Government at a high interest rate. The bank did not have the original money, it created it and made a bookkeeping entry - like you writing yourself a check without funds and cashing it. The Federal Reserve controls the flow of money, making it tight and creating unemployment or printing more than actually exists and creates inflation. It is, in wessence, a paper corporation, which controls the entire economic well-being of the nation.

Thomas Jefferson was concise in his early warning to the American nation, "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

In 1963, President John Kennedy wanted an end to the Federal Reserve System, which had a strangle-hold on the United States and virtually the world. By a simple stroke of the pen, President Kennedy dismissed the Federal Resene System and ordered the U.S. governmcnt to restore its Constitutional-mandate of controlling the money. President Kennedy was dead three weeks later. When President Lyndon Johnson took office, he immediately rescinded Kennedy's order and the Federal Resene won another round.

Hope I have expanded your horizon a little bit.

 

[justoneofmillion]

:salam2:


Why Europe needs an immigration strategy

By Kofi A. Annan

One of the biggest tests for the enlarged European Union, in the years and decades to come, will be how it manages the challenge of immigration. If European societies rise to this challenge, immigration will enrich and strengthen them. If they fail to do so, the result may be declining living standards and social division.

There can be no doubt that European societies need immigrants. Europeans are living longer and having fewer children. Without immigration, the population of the soon-to-be twenty-five Member States of the EU will drop, from about 450 million now to under 400 million in 2050.

The EU is not alone in this. Japan, the Russian Federation and South Korea, among others, face similar possible futures – where jobs would go unfilled and services undelivered, as economies shrink and societies stagnate. Immigration alone will not solve these problems, but it is an essential part of any solution.

We can be sure that people from other continents will go on wanting to come and live in Europe. In today’s unequal world, vast numbers of Asians and Africans lack the opportunities for self-improvement that most Europeans take for granted. It is not surprising that many of them see Europe as a land of opportunity, in which they long to begin a new life – just as the potential of the new world once attracted tens of millions of impoverished but enterprising Europeans.

All countries have the right to decide whether to admit voluntary migrants (as opposed to bona fide refugees, who have a right to protection under international law). But Europeans would be unwise to close their doors. That would not only harm their long-term economic and social prospects. It would also drive more and more people to try and come in through the back door – by asking for political asylum (thus overloading a system designed to protect refugees who have fled in fear of persecution), or by seeking the help of smugglers, often risking death or injury in clandestine acts of desperation on boats, trucks, trains and planes.

Illegal immigration is a real problem, and States need to cooperate in their efforts to stop it – especially in cracking down on smugglers and traffickers whose organized crime networks exploit the vulnerable and subvert the rule of law. But combating illegal immigration should be part of a much broader strategy. Countries should provide real channels for legal immigration, and seek to harness its benefits, while safeguarding the basic human rights of migrants.

Poor countries can also benefit from migration. Migrants sent at least $88 billion to developing countries in remittances during 2002 – 54% more than the $57 billion those countries received in development aid.

Migration is therefore an issue in which all countries have a stake – and which demands greater international cooperation. The recently established Global Commission on International Migration, co-chaired by distinguished public figures from Sweden and South Africa, can help to establish international norms and better policies to manage migration in the interest of all. I am confident that it will come up with good ideas, and I hope they will win support, from countries that “send” migrants as well as those that receive them.

Managing migration is not only a matter of opening doors and joining hands internationally. It also requires each country to do more to integrate new arrivals. Immigrants must adjust to their new societies – and societies need to adjust too. Only with an imaginative strategy for integrating immigrants can countries ensure that they enrich the host society more than they unsettle it.

While each country will approach this issue according to its own character and culture, no one should lose sight of the tremendous contribution that millions of immigrants have already made to modern European societies. Many have become leaders in government, science, academia, sports and the arts. Others are less famous but play an equally vital role. Without them, many health systems would be short-staffed, many parents would not have the home help they need to pursue careers, and many jobs that provide services and generate revenue would go unfilled. Immigrants are part of the solution, not part of the problem.

All who are committed to Europe’s future, and to human dignity, should therefore take a stand against the tendency to make immigrants the scapegoats for social problems. The vast majority of immigrants are industrious, courageous, and determined. They don’t want a free ride. They want a fair opportunity for themselves and their families. They are not criminals or terrorists. They are law-abiding. They don’t want to live apart. They want to integrate, while retaining their identity.

In this twenty-first century, migrants need Europe. But Europe also needs migrants. A closed Europe would be a meaner, poorer, weaker, older Europe. An open Europe will be a fairer, richer, stronger, younger Europe – provided Europe manages immigration well.

This article, which is based on the speech Secretary-General Kofi Annan made to the European Parliament on 29 January, was published in newspapers throughout Europe.


EU needs immigration to support ageing population

25 October 2005

The European Union needs substantial but controlled immigration, said Joaquin Almunia, the EU economic and monetary affairs commissioner. Mr Almunia, a Spanish socialist, called for active labour market policies, reform of its public finances, including changes to its tax base, pensions and healthcare systems, to cope with a rapidly ageing population to develop the greater economic growth that is needed in order to overcome the challenges caused by Europe's aging population.

His comments, in an interview with the Guardian, come as the EU prepares for talks at Hampton Court on 27 Oct. to debate how Europe can respond to globalisation and its impact on the continent's social model.

Mr Almunia said that, under current policies, ageing will increase public spending on pensions, healthcare and long-term care by between 4% and 8% of GDP in most of the EU's 25 states by 2050 - when the stability and growth pact lays down a ceiling of 3% for budget deficits.

Economic growth will be severely affected by a fall in the working-age population from 2010, with the labour force estimated to slump by 48 million or 16% by 2050. In the same period the population aged 65 or more will rise by 58 million or 77%, leaving two instead of four workers for every pensioner.

Mr Almunia said that even if the EU raises its employment rate to 70% from the current 63.3% there would still be 9 million fewer employed by 2050, requiring more active policies to promote the employment of women and older people.

Economic growth in the EU's original 15 members, estimated to be 2.3% a year up to 2010, will fall, he says, to 1.8% during 2011-30 and to 1.3% between 2031 and 2050 if labour productivity continues to grow at 1.7%. In the 10 new members growth will plunge from 4.3% to 0.9% over the same period.

Pointing out that future growth would depend more on improved productivity, he said labour market policies needed to be reformed to promote mobility via extensive retraining and lifelong learning.

"We also need to discuss how to connect the wage bargaining system more closely to the evolution of productivity," he said. "Europe cannot compete through lower wages but we need to establish a better relationship between wages and productivity."

Mr Almunia made a plea for legal migration to expand the European labour force but, pointing to the racial tension in Birmingham over the weekend, said this had to take account of "the absorption capacity" of societies.

"It's a question of whether societies and institutions are able to absorb and integrate these people. You have to combine labour market requirements with social and political constraints and, in my native Spain, we have taken in millions of migrants in the last six or seven years but we don't feel that the absorption capacity has been fulfilled."

 

[Mrmuslim]

salaam alikom

All of us are going in circle, why we are so worried about tomorrow ?

while you dont even know what will happen to you in the next hour ? Are we sure we going to live till tomorrow ? We dont even know if our fasting and prayers of today are accepted...
or if you die today are you going to hell or paradise !! ? Think about it

Having good opinion of Allah is from the essentials of Tawheed (Monotheism), which many people have become heedless of. It is from the attributes of a Believer, in fact it is from the obligations of Tawheed. Having good opinion of Allah Most High is built upon your knowledge of His Mercy, His Pride, His Goodness, His Power, His Knowledge, His superiority of selection as well as your complete reliance upon Him. So if all of these conditions are fulfilled, good opinion of Allah will come to fruition in the heart.

For in the Qudsi Hadith, which was narrated by Abu Hurairah, Allah Most High says:

“I am as my slave thinks of me and I am with him whenever he remembers me.” (Agreed Upon).

In another hadeeth recorded by Muslim, Jaabir narrates that he heard the Prophet (saws) three days before his death as saying:

“Let none of you die without having a good opinion of Allah High and Mighty.”

There is no doubt that having good opinion of Allah is coupled with good actions. Just as having good opinion of Allah is one of the characteristics of a believer, the ill-opinion of Allah and the opinion that does not befit his Majesty is from the characteristics of hypocrites and polytheists who look at Allah with a view of Jaahilyyah (ignorance) and falsehood.

Stop worrying about tomrrow and live your day Allah gurantteed that he will portect his religion no matter what people try to shut down the light of Islam no one will be able to.


just remember this verse إن الله لا يغير ما بقوم حتى يغيروا ما بأنفسهم

Allah will not change the condition of a nation until they change what is within themselves.”

[Ar-ra’ad: 11]​

“If anyone thinks that Allah will not help Muhammad in this world and the hearafter, let them stretch out a rope to the ceiling and cut themselves off, then let them see whether their plan will remove that which enrages them.” [Al-Hajj: 15]


Stop worrying about tomorrow. Allah allow things happen for a reaosn.

Allah knows best !

Wa salaam

 

[justoneofmillion]

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