There is no IF he Committed the Murder. I live in the same Town as they do. He Killed her and Should be Charged with First Degree Murder. That Woman was the Sweetest Kindest Person and should not have been Taken away from her Young Children. You do not know the Man and you have no right to Even say that it was IF he Killed her. As far as the Children go, they should stay here and be Raised by that Monster of a Mans First Wife. He had 2 children from her. The Siblings should not be Seperated. How are we Suppose to Trust the Muslim Religion when the Horrible ways you Treat your Women. They are not low Life Animals that you seem to think you can Abuse and Expend be it by Beheading them or Stoning them to Death. Animals do not Deserve to be Treated in that manner Either. We are of ONE GOD. Not Seperate. God will Punish all who Treat all Living things Badly. And that Man will go to HELL for Killing his Wife.
Our rule in Islam (and on this forum) is that we treat each other WITH RESPECT, and we DO NOT use foul words to ANYONE, REGARDLESS of their religion or race.
The reason why our sister Palestine (and I agree with her) said
"If he committed this murder..." was because NONE OF US have any solid evidence to support that he INDEED was the one who killed his wife.
Yes, we CAN assume that he could have killed her, but like what you said, "You do not know the Man..." well, you don't know him either. There WERE cases when the family had problems between this man and his wife, but one rule in Islam (which was given
FOURTEEN HUNDRED YEARS AGO) is that, "No one is guilty of committing a crime until there is
proof and
evidence that he (the person, he or she) is guilty," and if there is NO SOLID PROOF, then the person, is NOT ONLY FREE FROM BEING PUNISHED, but also (in many instances), those who tried to claim that the person committed a crime can THEMSELVES GET PUNISHED.
(Do you know that in Islam, under
SHARIA ISLAMIC LAW (I underline ISLAMIC, because there's a differance between what some Muslims practice these days and see as "Sharia" (and also to mention with what Western media sees as being "Sharia"), and what really IS Sharia, practiced by Muhammad) (SAW), if a person claims that a girl or women is not a virgin, (meaing that) she committed adultery and fornification (and this also goes towards if a MAN has been accused of committing what two words I've just said), and the person why CLAIMS that the person (man or women) can NOT bring FOUR witnesses or SOLID evidence (proof against a women would be like if she's unmarried and gets pregnant, or if a married women get's pregnant, but never slept with her husband for some time before she had gotten pregnant), then THAT PERSON THAT TRIED TO SAY THAT THE WOMEN/MAN COMMITTED UNMARRIED SEX, GETS LASHED AND/OR BEATEN 70-80 TIMES (can't remember the exact number)? I bet you didn't know that!)
And for what you CLAIM, I would also like to re-post a response I gave on YouTube to someone who was saying the same thing you were.
Instance on YouTube said:
Anti-Islam Person on YouTube said:
Anti-Islam (1 day ago)
"islam is peace... and kill infidels, hang homosexuals and stone women... and they must be covered by hijab because if not they are like bitchs.... yeah dude... nice religion.. for that in many muslim countries there are public executions and cut of hands to thieves... well. i imagine what you understant islam and freedom in oocident are not compatible."
Abdul Hasib's response said:
One point that I want to make with you is that all that you have said about Islam is FALSE and a LIE; Islam does NOT stone women, but those who committed illegal sexual activity (both men and women) to be punished in that manner; and in Islam, the rapist gets stoned TO DEATH for his act of rape, so how does Islam lower the status of women?
Women and females who treated like dogs in the ancient times. Having a daughter was considered a curse during those times, and a man would murder his daughter just because he was afraid of the dishonor that his ancestors would have if his daughter had went off to another man (marrying him and destroying the name of her father), but; Islam STOPPED THAT.
Islam teaches us to respect both men and women, be merciful and kind to the children, be dutiful to the family, to be kind and respectful to the elders. The Hijab (Veil, or curtain), is what LIBERATES Muslim women. Was Mary (the mother of Jesus), oppressed? Why do you and others say that the Hijab is an oppression, while Mary wore it herself? She did so to attain MODESTY, and that is why she is an HONORED WOMEN in ISLAM and AMONGST MUSLIMS, and she is also a ROLE MODEL for Muslims, and THAT is what Muhammad (SAW) taught.
Umar ibn al Khattab (RA) (who was a friend of Muhammad) (SAW), advised Muhammad (SAW) that their Muslim sisters (the Muslim women) should cover themselves up, because they talk to men, and in those men, there are ones that have hearts that are pure, modest, and good, whilst there are men that have EVIL in their hearts, and who DO have an evil and perverted kind of mind; and so, to PROTECT THEM, and THEIR HONOR, that was GIVEN TO THEM by ISLAM, and not by ANY other religion.
Thus, Islam taught us MANY things, that women are to be RESPECTED, and by the GRACE OF OUR LORD (and another thing, Allah is not an IDOL GOD, Allah is basically the supreme being, the Lord and Ruler of the heavens and the earths, whom we beleive is SUPREME, and who DOES NOT have a son, thus, because all Praise is to Him, and Glorified and Exalted is he), Muslim women have a HIGH HONOR, amongst us Muslim men that STRIVE to attain Piety, and good character (that we learn from our Prophet, Muhammad (SAW), who did NOT strike a women in the face, nor attack, hurt, defame, or curse an innocent child or being, or creature), and to such an extent, that their status to US are like that of QUEENS, who we show GREAT respect towards and Shyness to, because of their Piety and the great HONOR that was given to them (by our Lord).
And another thing, with the cutting of the hands, it has been reported that ever since the Sharia Law was that the thief would have his hand cut, there had been only four cases of theft for OVER FOUR HUNDRED YEARS, and another thing that YOU should know, is that Muhammad (SAW) was LENIENT with the sinners, that if someone came to him and asked him to punish them for committing fornification or adultery, or for theft, he would try to encourage them to leave and just repent for their sins, but if they KEPT ON INSISTING that he punishes them (even by killing, stoning to death), then we would execute their wish, and EVEN AFTER the punishment had been carried, HE WOULD CRY, and TEARS would flow and SOAK his FACE and BEARD, and he would SUPPLICATE for our Lord to FORGIVE that person, and to ADMIT THEM INTO PARADISE, even though they had sinned!
It has been reported by Anas ibn Malik (the servant of Muhammad (SAW), mind you, his MOTHER gave him to serve the Prophet, because BOTH of them LOVED Muhammad (SAW), and so they both wanted to give something special to him, and Anas ibn Malik (RA) also said that Muhammad (SAW) would NEVER, RAISE HIS VOICE, CURSE, DEFAME, or SPIT AT HIM, that if he EVER did anything wrong, Muhammad (SAW) would just say, "Uh!" but would be KIND to him, just like how he was kind to children) that a Jewish women gave Muhammad (SAW) some poisoned food.
He called her over, and asked her why had she done so? And she replied that she wanted to KILL HIM; and so his companions felt ANGRY at her, and since they LOVED him, they said to him, "Oh Muhammad, let us kill her for her action (to kill you)!"
And Muhammad (SAW) said, "No, do NOT kill her; but SPARE her life."
-Sahih Muslim (the 2nd most AUTHENTIC Hadith Book) (Hadith means anything that had to do with Muhammad (SAW), or his companions)
But even so after giving you such proof (and I can give you more, check out my channel, see "The Mercy of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)"), you will not believe (in Islamic Montheism), but only CONTINUE to be belligerant and FIGHT Islam, and Muhammad (SAW).
My words are done here with you.
And I'd also like to make a response to what you have also CLAIMED (I highlighted it in BOLD).
The way us, "Muslim men treat our women?"
Do you even HAVE any proof against what you have said, what you have CLAIMED?
But there's no point. If all you've came to this forum was to argue and say things without having a sincere heart to even KNOW about Islam, then there's no point arguing over why you came here, but this website is for people like YOU to HAVE a chance to REALLY know what Islam is about, what Muhammad (SAW) says on certain issues, what Islam's stance is on MUSLIM WOMEN. The ONLY rule is that you have a SINCERE, OPEN MINDED, and a RESPECTFUL attitude when you talk about Islam, or when you learn about Islam! That is all that we are asking! None of us said anything about you, OR your religion (and I' surprised why you don't want to state it? If you have none, then maybe you can put, "no religion," or "other"), because even though you're attacking OUR religion, and also our SISTERS (our Muslim women who are Pious and Modest have a HIGH status amongst us TRUE MUSLIM MEN, who actually PRACTICE our religion to the FULL EXTENT).
So what you're basically trying to say is that MUSLIM "MEN" treat their women BAD? Alright, so how are women treated in the West, when they, the "young" and (I'm going to be REALLY sarcastic here>) "charming" "Western Women" wear tight clothes, tight tops, and tight pants, skirts, and shorts, that their BACKSIDES are showing so EXCESSIVELY, and so is the shape of their BODY!
And as they dress like this, a whole bunch of men and boys STARE at their backsides, or STARE at their chests, and wolf whistle or look so PERVERTEDLY at the women (or girl)'s "tight" legs and backside (which they have decided to DISPLAY IT to the whole world), (and the guys and boys) staring SO much, that you can even (or atleast
I can) tell that they're just IMGAINING raping that women or girl IN their backsides (that's disgusting, but in the "Industrialized" Western world, sodomy is basically PROMOTED by the way women dress, isn't it?) or HAVING SEX with those women and girls.
Now tell me, is THIS, REALLY respect that should be given to a women? Now let's see what ISLAM says about this.
"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do."
(Surah an-Noor (The Light) Verse 30)
And as for Muslim women:
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss."
(Surah Noor (The Light) Verse 31)
And TRUST me, when there are TRUE Muslim men out there, what do they do? Imagine this, there's a Muslim man, wearing a Kufi (a special kind of hat), a long robe (wherever it's made), and a long beard. Around him, there are young women (just like how I described above) and there are men and boys around him (doing what I have described above), but what is that Muslim man doing? He looks down, and if you ever see him talking to any women (like how I described above), he looks away from her, doesn't look at her in the face. THAT is a TRUE Muslim man. TRUE Muslim men are ones that:
1.) Practice EVERYTHING THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO IN ISLAM (meaning that they don't pick and choose what they will practice, and what they WON'T practice, and example is doing everything he needs to do, but he still looks at women and girls. That is WRONG for him to do).
2.) Follow the Lifestyle of Muhammad (SAW) (also, I suggest you look, FROM THIS SITE, about his characteristics, and if you have ANY questions, post up a new thread (ask the moderators to give you permission), and ask your question, but also SHOW RESPECT and MANNERS WHEN YOU TALK).
3.) Have good character and personality (Muhammad (SAW) taught us that we should show good character and mercy to not only people such as servants, women, children, orphans, slaves, poor people, innocent humans, (but also to ALL creatures), and he even taught (from his own actions) to also show mercy to even YOUR ENEMIES), which is that of good character, manners, and politeness
4.) Are PIOUS
5.) Do NOT constantly think about women and girls (especially if they are MARRIED)
6.) Show respect to women and girls (look down out of shyness, modesty, or respect, especially to Muslim women who cover up so that they can be RESPECTED).
And many more. I also suggest you look here:
Muslim Women in Islam
And here:
The Mercy of Muhammad (SAW) by Sheikh Bilal Assad (Raheemahullah)
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The Mercy of Muhammad (SAW) Q&A Section
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And my words are done here. All I am asking of you, is that as long as you are on this site, you show RESPECT to Islam, RESPECT to Muhammad (SAW), RESPECT to our Muslim Sisters, RESPECT to our religion, RESPECT to God (and also, can you also PLEASE stop acting like as if you're an apostate? I mean, c'mon, seriously, we have had MANY people that've tried that trick, and it turns out that all they've just tried was to "confuse us" on our religion, or make us think that Islam IS an Oppressor (and that Muhammad (SAW) was an Oppressor), and to weaken us in Faith, but if anyone finds out the TRUTH, they can see, that Islam DOES NOT Oppress anyone, that Muhammad (SAW) did NOT Oppress anyone, and that our Lord (God, basically) does NOT Oppress anyone either, rather, he is Fair, Just, and he does what HE wants, and he has a valid and arguable reason of why he does what he does).
And I'm also asking you, that only stay on this forum, if you have a SINCERE HEART to actually KNOW what Islam REALLY is. None of us lie over here, and trust me, in Islam, there's no such thing as a "good lie," (except in cases when it is used in cases when it is used to save someone's life) so none of us are LYING or trying to "butter everyone up," by bringing PROOF and EVIDENCE, that Islam really DOES end Oppression, and one reason why Islam is so great, is that it tells us that we MUST let ourselves enjoy our lives a little, that we are NOT forced to work beyond what we can, and we are allowed to do WHAT WE WANT, except there are RULES and LIMITS to our Freedom, and in that way, it controls us, so that for once, there actually IS a differance between a dog and a human being (except for the fact that humans walk on their "hind legs"), and I'm asking that you SHOW RESPECT to everyone, and to Islam. Whether Islam DOES reach your heart or not, whether you decide to convert or not, that doesn't matter, but what DOES matter, is that you know the TRUTH, and that give yourself your right, which is that that your right upon yourself is that you ACCEPT THE TRUTH, and do not use means of falsehood to try and FIGHT the truth, because doing such thing will only HARM you, and it will NOT (in the least) BENEFIT you.
I wish for you, a nice day, and that our Lord (who is one and Unique) GIVES YOU a sincere and respectful heart, and if you do not have one, then there's no one to help you, and there's no one to blame, but YOURSELF.
And to my brothers and sisters on this site, may Allah Ta Alla increase his Love to all of us, may we all advance towards him until he Loves us, and that we Love no one (dearly) more than Him, and his Beloved Rasul (and their Beloved worshippers), and may he accept all of us (who work for rightousness) into Firdaws and the Highest parts of Jannah, and may he forgive us of our sins (when we repent to him and seek his Mercy and Forgiveness), and may he bless all of you with a Life filled with Beauty, Bliss, Love, Romance, Serenity, and Happiness, for ETERNITY and also in this Duniyah, and may Allah Ta Alla reward you sister Felasteen for your patience, and may he NEVER stop Loving you or any other brother or sister on this site, and may he remove any harm that you feel from your heart, and replace it with Bliss, Happiness, and Love, for you are my Sister in Islam, and to me, you are deeply respected and cared for in my heart, and your well being is my concern, likewise does this go to my other Muslim Sisters on this site, as well as my brothers here (aw, brothers, you guys are "old enough" to care for yourselves, LoL. Don't need to me to "worry" about all of you brothers, LoL :wink
, Ameen Ya Zaal Jalaaly Wal Ekraaam!
