what is kashf?

[slaveofAllah88]

:salam2:
someone just told me kashf is a message from Allah (swt) that people get?
is it true?

 

[a_muslimah86]

:salam2:
someone just told me kashf is a message from Allah (swt) that people get?
is it true?

Do you mean like in a ru'uya akhi? or as in receiving higher knowledge of ghayb and such?..I think you should specify

 

[Muslimah16]

what is the actual meaning of kashf?
is there such thing.. how do we know.. etc etc..

if im correct that is what the brother may be having doubts about.
i hope somebody can help clear this up inshaAllaah.

 

[slaveofAllah88]

Do you mean like in a ru'uya akhi? or as in receiving higher knowledge of ghayb and such?..I think you should specify

:salam2:
sisters and brothers i dont want to be rude Please forgive me if im wrong , ive been told kashf been revelation from Allah (swt) or something put by Allah (swt) into someone's heart , HOW Can that be ?

so i guess you would call it higher knowledfe of ghayb

All the Prophets (PBU them all) were delivered message using angel Jabreel?
How do we know its from Allah (swt)?

Where is the proof in Quran or sunnah?

dont say that im being non muslim this idea is creating fitna in my mind
Alot of christians scholars say this happens to them that God talks to them, Ok ... I haven't heard any account where Allah (swt) talked to any of the Sahaba's
Please help
thank you

 

[BinteShafi]

:salam2:

The literal meaning of the word kashf is "unveling," but in Sufi terminology it means to expose the heart to metaphysical illumination or "revelation" unattainable by reason.

This is a good debatable topic...

 

[slaveofAllah88]

:salam2:

The literal meaning of the word kashf is "unveling," but in Sufi terminology it means to expose the heart to metaphysical illumination or "revelation" unattainable by reason.

This is a good debatable topic...

:salam2:
sister should we believe in it or is it an annovation i found out that its roots are in sufism

 

[a_muslimah86]

:salam2:
sisters and brothers i dont want to be rude Please forgive me if im wrong , ive been told kashf been revelation from Allah (swt) or something put by Allah (swt) into someone's heart , HOW Can that be ?

so i guess you would call it higher knowledfe of ghayb

All the Prophets (PBU them all) were delivered message using angel Jabreel?
How do we know its from Allah (swt)?

Where is the proof in Quran or sunnah?

dont say that im being non muslim this idea is creating fitna in my mind
Alot of christians scholars say this happens to them that God talks to them, Ok ... I haven't heard any account where Allah (swt) talked to any of the Sahaba's
Please help
thank you

I see..you're being clear and specific now which helps a lot..especially with the ghayb bit..sense we're delving into a very dense topic..I will not be of much assistance to you..because I will only speak from *personal* understanding..which does not compare to a verse or a hadith which can sum up paragraphs upon paragraphs of what I (or even somebody else might write)..I will not waste your time with reading a lengthy reply akhi..inshallah someone here with good knowledge in the topic with ayaahs and hadiths to back up their explanation makes a stop here

and since I need to learn about this topic *again* with specific hadiths and ayaahs I will inshallah check again on updates

 

[BinteShafi]

:salam2:

There is supposed to be yet a higher stage beyond kashf which is called al-tajalli, or Divine manifestation: the appearance of God to man.

There are two points against the Sufi interpretation of kashf and tajalli. First, conceiving metaphysics by kashf is impossible, yet Sufis claim otherwise, contending against the truth. The fact is that whatever exists can be conceived of only within the realm of reason. Once man loses reason, he loses the ability to conceive of anything of its reality, and turns to hallucination and utter nonsense.

Secondly, any claim that the Divine essence can appear, whether in existence or beyond it, whether materially or transcendentally, is a flagrant lie. The Prophet and Messenger of Allah, Musa, peace be upon him, whom Allah had favoured with the privilege of speaking to him directly, was denied his request to see him, as indicated in the verse:

"And when Musa came at Our appointed time, and his Lord spoke to him, he said, 'My Lord, show (Yourself) to me that I may look to You.' He (Allah) said, 'You shall not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it remains in its place, then you shall see Me.' And when his Lord manifested Himself on the mountain, He made it level, and Musa fell down unconcious. And when he recovered he said, meaning, "Far removed are You from every imperfection, I repent to You, I am the first to believe."(7.143)

It is an essential fact, held unanimously by Sunni Muslim, that it is impossible for any creature to witness the Divine manifestations in this world as confirmed by the words of Allah:

meaning, according to Ibn Kathir,

"Eyes cannot reach Him, but He can reach everything the eyes of His creatures can reach and perceive of."(6.103)

The Prophet indicated the impossiblity of seeing Allah when he was asked by his companions whether he had seen Allah. He responded objectingly, "There was just light; How could I see Him?" There is further emphasis on such impossibility in the following hadeeth as reported by Abu Musa:

The Messenger of Allah spoke to us of five things. He said, "Verily, Allah the Exalted and Mighty does not sleep, and does not befit Him to sleep. He lowers down the scale and lifts it up (i.e., He makes ample the means of subsistance to whom He wills and makes scanty to whom He wills). The deeds (of His slaves committed by) night are taken up to Him before the deeds committed in the day (following), and the deeds of the day are taken up to Him before the deeds of the subsequent night. His veil is the light." In the hadeeth narrated by Abu Bakr, the veil of Allah "is fire. If He lifted it, His splendour and majesty would burn out all of his creation." (Muslim, Ibn Majeh & Ahmad)

A Sufi leader by the name Abu Mansoor al-Hallaj went so far in disbelief as to claim he was god himself. He was crucified for his blasphemous claim, and for his defiance of shari'ah, or Islamic jurisprudence, in Baghdad, Iraq, in 309 A.H. (922 A.D.) He said,

"I am He Whom I love; He Whom I love is I; we are two souls co-inhabiting one body. If you see me you see Him and if you see Him you see me."

Abdul-Karim el-Jili, Ibn Arabi's closest disciple, went a step ahead of his master, claiming that he was commanded by Allah to bring to the people his own book, The Perfect Man, the theme of which is pantheism. He claimed that the perfect man could represent all the attributes of God, even though Allah the Exalted is far above the qualities of men.

El-Jili went on to purport to prove that nothing in essence exists in the universe other than Allah, and that all other things, human, animal and non-living are only manifestations of God Almighty Allah. He further asserted in his book that the Prophet Muhammad is the perfect man and the perfect god. From these blasphemous theories, el-Jili went on to declare himself to be a god also, and exclaimed, "To me belongs sovereignty in both worlds."

This assertion is blatant enough to condemn anyone who utters it of clear kufr, or disbelief. Whenever such zindiqs, or heretics are mentioned, Sufis live up to their beliefs by invoking Allah's mercy on them, unaware of the fact that tolerance of kufr is itself an act of kufr, and that whoever invokes Allah's mercy on an unbeliever commits a grave sin.

 

[slaveofAllah88]

aslam o alikum sister, BinteShafi,
JazakAllah khair for sharing, this clear up so many thing i was like NO way is that part of real islam and i also found out its roots are in Sufism so i became more doubtful
thank you for your answer sister thank you so much

 

[BinteShafi]

Wa Alaikum Salam Brother,

You are welcome brother... actually I have interest in urdu literature and Sufism has affected the Urdu literature so much so that ...much has been written about this...

A famous Urdu Novel about Mansoor Al-Hallaj was one of my favourite. Many of my favourite authors are in the favour of Sufism to this extent that they strongly believe in Tajjalli sort of things. Alhamdolillah in spite of reading them a lot ....I have not been influenced by their thoughts..Alhamdolillah...Allah has been so Mrciful to me...who protected me from such evils...

Barak Allah feek

Asslam u Alaikum wr wb,

 

[slaveofAllah88]

Wa Alaikum Salam Brother,

You are welcome brother... actually I have interest in urdu literature and Sufism has affected the Urdu literature so much so that ...much has been written about this...

A famous Urdu Novel about Mansoor Al-Hallaj was one of my favourite. Many of my favourite authors are in the favour of Sufism to this extent that they strongly believe in Tajjalli sort of things. Alhamdolillah in spite of reading them a lot ....I have not been influenced by their thoughts..Alhamdolillah...Allah has been so Mrciful to me...who protected me from such evils...

Barak Allah feek

Asslam u Alaikum wr wb,

:salam2:
JazakAllah khair sister, Mashallah May Allah (swt) bless you with his mercy and open the door of Jannah for you - ameen , you helped me alot there
Thank you for clearing this

I know there are people on the forum that believe in this I hope someone can explain me this through Quran or sunnah
thank you

 

[Mohsin]

:salam2: Akhi,

Here is what I found.

Are kashf and ilham true in the light of islam? Sufis every time claim to have the knowledge of the unseen and they call it as kashf and ilham. Some people justify this by saying that when umar (ra) was once giving khutba he told that there is an army in the battlefield. Kindly explain.

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:
The kashf (intuition, insight, finding out about things that are unseen) that may happen to a person is of several kinds. One type is psychological, which both Muslims and kaafirs have in common. Another kind is spiritual, which comes via revelation. A third type is satanic, which comes via the jinn.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:
We do not deny that people may experience some kind of kashf, whether when awake or in their dreams when the soul is less connected to the body, either by means of spiritual practices or otherwise. This is the psychological kashf which is the first type of kashf.

But it is also proven through rational evidence as well as shar’i evidence that the jinn exist and that they tell people things about the unseen, as happens in the case of soothsayers, those who are possessed and the like.
The second type is that which is done by outside forces, such as the jinn who tell the soothsayers many things. This is something that is well known, especially to those who have experienced it, and we have come to know about these things on many occasions. This is a type of kashf that has nothing to do with the first type, and this is the second type of kashf.

With regard to the third type, it is what is conveyed by the angels and this is the noblest type, as is indicated by the texts and by rational evidence. Information about the unseen may come from psychological sources, or from evil sources, whether they are satanic or not, or it may come from angelic sources.​

Al-Safadiyyah, p. 187-189

Ibn al-Qayyim said:
Partial kashf is something which both believers and kaafirs, righteous and immoral, may share, such as knowing what is in a person’s house or what is in his hand or under his garment, or whether his wife is pregnant with a boy or girl after the gender has been determined, or things that cannot be seen such as things that are taking place far away, and so on. This may come from the Shaytaan sometimes and from one's own self sometimes, hence it may happen to the kuffaar such as the Christians and people who worship fire or the cross. Ibn Sayyaad told by means of kashf the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) what he was hiding for him.

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him, “You are from among the brethren of the soothsayers.” He told him that his kashf was like the kashf of the soothsayers. Similarly the liar Musaylimah, even though he was a kaafir of the worst type, could tell his companions of what one of them had done in his house and what he had said to his wife, because his shaytaan told him that so that he could mislead the people. The same was true of al-Aswad al-‘Anasi and al-Haarith al-Mutanabbi al-Dimashqi, who emerged at the time of ‘Abd al-Malik ibn Marwaan, and others of their ilk, whose numbers are known only to Allaah. We ourselves and others have seen a group of them and people have witnessed the kashf of monks who worship the cross, as is well known.

Spiritual kashf of this type is like the kashf of Abu Bakr when he told ‘Aa’ishah that his wife was pregnant with a girl; and the kashf of ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) when he said, “O Saariyah, the mountain!” – i.e., stay close to the mountain. There are many such instances among the close friends (awliya’) of Allaah.​

Madaarij al-Saalikeen, 3/227, 228

Secondly:
What happened to ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) is saheeh and is well proven. Naafi’ said that ‘Umar sent out a military detachment and he appointed a man called Saariyah in charge of them. Whilst ‘Umar was delivering the khutbah one Friday, he said, “O Saariyah, the mountain! O Saariyah, the mountain!” And they found out that Saariyah had moved towards the mountain at that moment on the Friday even though there was the distance of a month’s journey between them.
Narrated by Ahmad in Fadaa’il al-Sahaabah, 1/269; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 1110

This was a miracle (karaamah) bestowed upon ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him); either it happened by means of inspiration and his voice reached Saariyah – as is the view of Ibn al-Qayyim – or it happened by means of psychological kashf and his voice reached Saariyah – which is what we will see below in the words of Shaykh al-Albaani. In either case, it was undoubtedly a miracle (karaamah).

Thirdly:
With regard to what happens to the Sufis, it is not spiritual kashf, rather it is either psychological kashf which is something that they have in common with the kuffaar, or it is of satanic origin, which is usually the case.
Spiritual kashf only happens to the close friends (awliya’) of Allaah who establish sharee’ah and venerate it. It is known that the Sufis do not do that. What happened to ‘Umar, although it is correct to describe it as kashf, was spiritual kashf.

Shaykh al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
There can be no doubt that the call mentioned was inspiration from Allaah to ‘Umar. That is nothing strange, because he was “muhaddath” (inspired) as was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but that does not mean that ‘Umar was shown the situation of the army or that he saw them with his own eyes. The use of this as evidence by some of the Sufis for the claims that they make about the awliya’ (“saints”) having kashf and that they can see what is in people’s hearts is utter falsehood. How can it be otherwise, when that is one of the unique attributes of the Lord of the Worlds Who alone has knowledge of the unseen and sees what is in people’s hearts?

I wonder, how can they make such a false claim when Allaah says in His Book (interpretation of the meaning):
“(He Alone is) the All‑Knower of the Ghayb (Unseen), and He reveals to none His Ghayb (Unseen).
Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen” [al-Jinn 72:26-27]?

Do they believe that those awliya’ are Messengers of Allaah so that it may be said of them that they can know the unseen as much as Allaah tells them?! Glory be to You (O Allaah)! This is a great lie (cf. al-Noor 24:16).
This story is saheeh and is proven. It was a miracle (karaamah) with which Allaah honoured ‘Umar, by means of which the Muslim army was saved from capture or destruction. But it does not mean that he had knowledge of the unseen, as the Sufis claim. Rather it was a kind of inspiration, in the sense defined in sharee’ah, or a kind of telepathy, which is not infallible. It may be correct, as in this incident, or it turn out to be wrong, as usually happens to people. Hence every close friend of Allaah (wali) must adhere to sharee’ah in everything that he does or says, lest he do something that goes against sharee’ah and thus lose the status of being a friend of Allaah, which Allaah has described in comprehensive terms when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“No doubt! Verily, the Awliyaa’ of Allaah, no fear shall come upon them nor shall they grieve.​

Those who believed, and used to fear Allaah much (by abstaining from evil deeds and sins and by doing righteous deeds)”
[Yoonus 10:63]

And the poet said:
“If you see a man flying through the air or walking on the water, but he does not adhere to the limits of sharee’ah,
then you should realize that this is a temptation which is leading him astray, and he is a man of bid’ah.”
Al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 3/102-104
And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A

Apart from this I would recommend you the book "Al-Furqaan baynal awliyaa ur Rahman wa awliyaa ush shaytaan" by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (RA). I have attached a PDF of the same if you like to read it. It helped me a lot on this issue.

 

[BinteShafi]

Jazak Allahu Khayra Brother Mohsin. Very beneficial

 

[Muslimah16]

im really confused

kash is not part of sufism is it?
and it is accepted in islam?

please correct me if i am wrong.

 

[daywalker]

kash is not part of sufism is it?
and it is accepted in islam?

to have kashf you dont need to be sufis. kashf can occur with any people. so its not a sufi thing, though its wellknown among sufis.

you are not obliged to believe any kashf if it sounds weird to you. and none rules can be taken from kashf.

 

[Muslimah16]

to have kashf you done need to be sufis. kashf can occur with any people. so its not a sufi thing, though its wellknown among sufis.

you are not obliged to believe any kashf if it sounds weird to you. and none rules can be taken from kashf.

Allah.. i never knew this... Alhumdulillah, jazakAllaah for helping me out.

 

[fada_all]

salam alikom

well what is going on bro/sis , the science of alghyb is some of the characteristcs of allah the almight sobhanaho wataala, and noone dare to say sth like this what ever the level of his imane it is allah's behaviour swt, so, please don't emphacise on some topics which is far away from our role... as a slaves of allah swt who creates us to worship him and follow what is in the holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of his prophets pbuh.!!!!!!!!!!:astag: la hawla wa qowata ailla bellahi....... alla this is nonsense and it is shaytan's whispers...on us to make us doubt about our deen and discourage us not mor...................


allah konws the best
may allah guide us all to the right path..........

salam alikm

 

[slaveofAllah88]

You guyz are awesom!!

:salam2:
man u guyz cleared up a big thing i got so confused when i heard this Kashf i was like NO way this is not Islam, but i was unsure and you guyz Mashallah explain it all really good Alhumdulilah

salam alikom

well what is going on bro/sis , the science of alghyb is some of the characteristcs of allah the almight sobhanaho wataala, and noone dare to say sth like this what ever the level of his imane it is allah's behaviour swt, so, please don't emphacise on some topics which is far away from our role... as a slaves of allah swt who creates us to worship him and follow what is in the holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of his prophets pbuh.!!!!!!!!!! la hawla wa qowata ailla bellahi....... alla this is nonsense and it is shaytan's whispers...on us to make us doubt about our deen and discourage us not mor...................


allah konws the best
may allah guide us all to the right path..........

salam alikm

brother you are totally right you said exactly wat i was thinking

my small sister Muslimah16 just one sugguestion from you bhaiya everytime u hear something ask for reference from Quran and Sunnah otherwise ur doing bidah adding innovation to islam

But Mashallah im glad u learned something new today

 

[a_muslimah86]

:salam2: Akhi,

Here is what I found.
Apart from this I would recommend you the book "Al-Furqaan baynal awliyaa ur Rahman wa awliyaa ush shaytaan" by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (RA). I have attached a PDF of the same if you like to read it. It helped me a lot on this issue.

Jazaka Allah every khair..you helped with learning more details about this matter..I will have to make a second stop to read through the pdf you attached as well..I am sure it will help me further inshallah..baraka allaho feek

 

[Mohsin]

:salam2:

Wa iyyaki sister, I am sure that you will find the part where Ibn Taymiyyah (RA) has given the accounts of Abu Bakr (RA) and Umar (RA) very interesting and enlightening. That is in the 10th Chapter.

Jazaka Allah every khair..you helped with learning more details about this matter..I will have to make a second stop to read through the pdf you attached as well..I am sure it will help me further inshallah..baraka allaho feek