Pakistan vs. Israel

[helpinghumanity]

Israel is the biggest enemy Of Pakistan..... All the chaos is Pakistan is due to the agencies working in Israel...mosad..raw..and cia ...

This video contains music ...so please turn the volume off...


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[AlQurtubi]

nice vid but an old one

 

[helpinghumanity]

nice vid but an old one

Yes ...old but very important.....

truth is always relieved after a long time...and in some case it is never .....

e.g Pakistan had atomic bomb since 70's but they never unveiled that...


USA...technologies are unveiled after a period of 15 or more years.....

Below i have copied information..from one of the video...read it plz

During the war 16 PAF pilots volunteered to go to the Middle East in order to support Egypt and Syria but by the time they arrived, Egypt had already been pushed into a ceasefire. Syria remained in a state of war against Israel. Eight (8) PAF pilots started flying out of Syrian Airbases; they formed the A-flight of 67 Squadron at Dumayr Airbase. The Pakistani pilots flew Syrian MiG-21 aircraft conducting CAP missions for the Syrians. Flt. Lt. A. Sattar Alvi became the first Pakistani pilot, during the Yom Kippur War,
to shoot down an Israeli Mirage in air combat.[6][7] He was honored by the Syrian government.[8] Other aerial encounters involved Israeli F-4 Phantoms; Pakistan Air Force did not lose a single pilot or aircraft during this war. The Pakistani pilots stayed on in Syria until 1976, training Syrian pilots in the art of air warfare.[citation needed]
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Flight Lieutenant Saiful Azam has the unique distinction of having kills against air forces of two different countries. As a young Flying Officer during the 65 War, Saiful Azam scored a kill against an Indian Air Force Gnat, in recognition of which he was awarded Sitara-i-Jurat. Two years later Saiful Azam became the first Pakistani pilot to score against the Israeli Air Force in the 1967 Arab-Israel war. He shot down a Vatour Bomber, a super Mystere, and a Mirage IIIC, all in only two missions thus raising his tally to four kills. To-date he remains the highest shooter of Israeli aircraft in history of dogfight.
He has been highly decorated with gallantry awards by both Jordan and Iraq for his extraordinary display of skill and courage. He retired as a Group Captain from Bangladesh Air Force. In 2001, he was honoured by the United States Air Force (USAF) and enjoys the status of being one of the twenty two 'Living Eagles' of the world.

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1983 Pakistan got 28 F-16 from USA under Peace Gate 1 and when Pakistani Pilots reached there for training of F-16 USAF Instactor didnt constrate on Paki Pilots.. but Paki Pilots Proved they are well professional USAF hadto implement their best instectors with PAF's Pilots and they said there is Best Airforce in World as Israel Airforce and Now Pakistan Airforce as well
PAF has to many record Holding in fighter flying maximum kills in a Mission SQL M.M.ALAM lowest level Role over 9G and many others
PAF Quality if not Quantity

 

[HaQRehman]

A good video ..

 

[podolski11]

we got nukes but our country still licks their boots....whats the use of nukes if we r jz gonna b licking their boots all the time....

 

[Calvin]

we got nukes but our country still licks their boots....whats the use of nukes if we r jz gonna b licking their boots all the time....

What do you mean sister? Pakistan's economy will not survive without the donations from western countries. What you are saying is similar to a situation of a beggar on the streets who is begging to keep alive although he may have a knife in his pocket. The knife and his hunger has no relation.

 

[mali1]

What do you mean sister? Pakistan's economy will not survive without the donations from western countries. What you are saying is similar to a situation of a beggar on the streets who is begging to keep alive although he may have a knife in his pocket. The knife and his hunger has no relation.

First of all - I am not sure how this video relates to promotion of Islam.. This is a nationalistic video and I always thought that Nationalistic feeling/behaviors have no place on this site.

Anyway - I am just passing thorugh and I must say that you have keen observation that a beggar can't fight because if it does then it willl not get any alms.

 

[podolski11]

What do you mean sister? Pakistan's economy will not survive without the donations from western countries. What you are saying is similar to a situation of a beggar on the streets who is begging to keep alive although he may have a knife in his pocket. The knife and his hunger has no relation.

omg..dont call me a sis im a bro!!!!

the guy posted a thread about pakistan having nukes but i dont get what is its use when the people who are leading us are already sold out!!

 

[helpinghumanity]

What do you mean sister? Pakistan's economy will not survive without the donations from western countries. What you are saying is similar to a situation of a beggar on the streets who is begging to keep alive although he may have a knife in his pocket. The knife and his hunger has no relation.

Excuse me Mister..You are crossing the Limits...

You have no right to compare Pakistan with a beggar.

Whatever money Pakistan is receiving from United States or from any other country is for the services Pakistan is doing and has done
No money ..no service ......GOT THAT...

And take this out of your mind....that Pakistan's economy will not survive without the donations from the western countries.....The current economic condition of Pakistan is due to the so called "WAR ON TERROR". This war on terror caused Pakistan to loose 35 billion dollar ( i don't know the exact amount) and the aid which Pakistan is getting from them is no where near it..

If Pakistan decides to opt out from this war on terror,,,,Pakistani economy will be in much better place. And if Pakistan decides to be not an ally USA will have nightmares in Afghanistan. And it will beg Pakistan to support it..

ONCE AGAIN TAKE THIS OUT OF YOUR MIND THAT PAKISTAN CAN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT USA AID.

 

[mali1]

Excuse me Mister..You are crossing the Limits...

You have no right to compare Pakistan with a beggar.

Whatever money Pakistan is receiving from United States or from any other country is for the services Pakistan is doing and has done
No money ..no service ......GOT THAT...

And take this out of your mind....that Pakistan's economy will not survive without the donations from the western countries.....The current economic condition of Pakistan is due to the so called "WAR ON TERROR". This war on terror caused Pakistan to loose 35 billion dollar ( i don't know the exact amount) and the aid which Pakistan is getting from them is no where near it..

If Pakistan decides to opt out from this war on terror,,,,Pakistani economy will be in much better place. And if Pakistan decides to be not an ally USA will have nightmares in Afghanistan. And it will beg Pakistan to support it..

ONCE AGAIN TAKE THIS OUT OF YOUR MIND THAT PAKISTAN CAN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT USA AID.

Here come the defenders ))
My advice to you Calvin - Be careful of what you say here about Pakistan..... This is NOT a democracy (as in some so called "democratic" states)

 

[Calvin]

Excuse me Mister..You are crossing the Limits...

You have no right to compare Pakistan with a beggar.

Whatever money Pakistan is receiving from United States or from any other country is for the services Pakistan is doing and has done
No money ..no service ......GOT THAT...

And take this out of your mind....that Pakistan's economy will not survive without the donations from the western countries.....The current economic condition of Pakistan is due to the so called "WAR ON TERROR". This war on terror caused Pakistan to loose 35 billion dollar ( i don't know the exact amount) and the aid which Pakistan is getting from them is no where near it..

If Pakistan decides to opt out from this war on terror,,,,Pakistani economy will be in much better place. And if Pakistan decides to be not an ally USA will have nightmares in Afghanistan. And it will beg Pakistan to support it..

ONCE AGAIN TAKE THIS OUT OF YOUR MIND THAT PAKISTAN CAN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT USA AID.

My apologies if I offended you but I was not comparing Pakistan to anything. I was just pointing out that Pakistan gets a lot of money from the West and probably that is the reason for it not standing up for despite all the weapons it has.

In fact I was puzzled to read this article and did some 'research' and realized that Israel and Pakistan have a lot in common such as:

1. Both nations were created based on religion (Israel for Jews and Pakistan for muslims).
2. Both countries are not more than 50-60 year old (new nations).
3. Both countries have nuclear bomb.
4. Both are dependant on US financial and military support.
5. Both countires do not have good/cordial relations with its neighbouring nations.
6. None of the two have stable democracy (the government keeps changing all the time).

Therfore, I am not sure why this post is titled "Pakistan Vs Israel" instead of "Pakistan & Israel"? Your thoughts?

 

[al-fajr]

Assalamualaykum wa rahmatullaah wa barakatuhuh,

What do you mean sister? Pakistan's economy will not survive without the donations from western countries. What you are saying is similar to a situation of a beggar on the streets who is begging to keep alive although he may have a knife in his pocket. The knife and his hunger has no relation.

Personally speaking, when I read that a while ago I thought it was an excellent anaolgy, although I didn't involve myself in the thread at the time.

First of all - I am not sure how this video relates to promotion of Islam.. This is a nationalistic video and I always thought that Nationalistic feeling/behaviors have no place on this site.

Correction, nationalistic tendencies have no place in Islaam, whether they do on this site or not is questionable.

Here come the defenders ))
My advice to you Calvin - Be careful of what you say here about Pakistan..... This is NOT a democracy (as in some so called "democratic" states)

What is your point exactly?

My apologies if I offended you but I was not comparing Pakistan to anything. I was just pointing out that Pakistan gets a lot of money from the West and probably that is the reason for it not standing up for despite all the weapons it has.

In fact I was puzzled to read this article and did some 'research' and realized that Israel and Pakistan have a lot in common such as:

1. Both nations were created based on religion (Israel for Jews and Pakistan for muslims).
2. Both countries are not more than 50-60 year old (new nations).
3. Both countries have nuclear bomb.
4. Both are dependant on US financial and military support.
5. Both countires do not have good/cordial relations with its neighbouring nations.
6. None of the two have stable democracy (the government keeps changing all the time).

Therfore, I am not sure why this post is titled "Pakistan Vs Israel" instead of "Pakistan & Israel"? Your thoughts?

Very interesting, I hadn't noticed all those similarities. I don't think history is that contrived though (if that is what you were suggesting?) to say all of those similarities were intentional or planned according to some covert agenda? Allaahualem.

 

[helpinghumanity]

1. Both nations were created based on religion (Israel for Jews and Pakistan for muslims).
2. Both countries are not more than 50-60 year old (new nations).
3. Both countries have nuclear bomb.
4. Both are dependant on US financial and military support.
5. Both countires do not have good/cordial relations with its neighbouring nations.
6. None of the two have stable democracy (the government keeps changing all the time).

Therfore, I am not sure why this post is titled "Pakistan Vs Israel" instead of "Pakistan & Israel"? Your thoughts?

All these points which are taken by youtube doesn't mean or prove anything.


What would you say if i point out similarities (very easy to do) between you and the Hitler? Will that mean that You and the Hitler are the same???

 

[helpinghumanity]

Here come the defenders ))
My advice to you Calvin - Be careful of what you say here about Pakistan..... This is NOT a democracy (as in some so called "democratic" states)

Calvin should not be only careful about what he says about Pakistan.....but he should also be careful about every thing he says about anything because he will be responsible for it. And this suggestion is NOT only for Calvin but everybody including me.

DEMOCRACY.....HMMM...

Would you enlighten me by telling what is DEMOCRACY? Does USA has so called "DEMOCRACY"......
if it does then what is being done with "RED INDIANS" ..or with other nationalities or GUANTANAMO BAY or any other place.......is it democratic?????

 

[al-fajr]

Assalamualaykum,

DEMOCRACY.....HMMM...

Would you enlighten me by telling what is DEMOCRACY? Does USA has so called "DEMOCRACY"......
if it does then what is being done with "RED INDIANS" ..or with other nationalities or GUANTANAMO BAY or any other place.......is it democratic?????

I would say yes they do have a democracy. Lets please try and get away from the idea that democracy represents hope, justice and peace for all of humanity. Democracy is a kufr system where we are encouraged to become slaves of our selfish materialistc desires. The emergence of democracy in the UK for example was a very controlled sequence of events in light of threats of revolts in volatile boroughs. The electorate was slowly expanded bit by bit, just to give apparent decision making power to the masses, but all in the guise of preserving the power of the elite and actually ensuring it could never again be challenged by the people.

Prime Minister Earl Grey (yes, same as the tea we get nowadays) There is no-one more decided against annual parliaments, universal suffrage and the ballot, than I am. My object is not to favour, but to put an end to such hopes and projects ... The principle of my reform is, to prevent the necessity of revolution ...reforming to preserve and not to overthrow.".

That was back in 1831, the first major reform act came only a year later, the second coming in 1867, each reform act expanded the suffrage by considerable amounts. However the sentiments of the elite are clearly expressed in the above quote, so giving people the vote made no difference to the elite and their monopoly over power, because people could only vote within the confines of their predetermined agendas.

So this whole thing 'of the people, for the people, by the people' is

1) Kufr first and foremost
2) Just an illusion for those who follow it

..which is exactly why they get away with Guantanamo Bay and all the other institutions of torture we are probably not even aware of because it is exactly what democracy represents in reality.

 

[IslamicGirl24]

Excuse me!..And with all due respect... whats wrong with being a nationalist?? can you prove that Islaam stops you from loving your country and speaking in defence of it?? No!... I don't think so.... what Islaam forbids is "to chose your country over your religion"!!... And since, thats NOT what we are doing here... nobody should be having a problem

 

[Calvin]

All these points which are taken by youtube doesn't mean or prove anything.


What would you say if i point out similarities (very easy to do) between you and the Hitler? Will that mean that You and the Hitler are the same???

These are not from youtube and are my observations which may be incorrect as I am new to the Asian subcontinent.

You are right that you may point out a lot of similarties between Hitler and me but my question is "What is wrong with Hitler?" ))

Don't bother to answer that sister (as that is a joke). But seriously - what we know about Hitler is what the media has told us repeteadly. Is it fair to make our impression based on what media tells us? I think the same is true for Islam. The negative perception about Islam is because of the negative publicity the media has generated. What do you think our history books (and media) would have said about Hitler if Germany had won the war? Think about it...

 

[mali1]

Excuse me!..And with all due respect... whats wrong with being a nationalist?? can you prove that Islaam stops you from loving your country and speaking in defence of it?? No!... I don't think so.... what Islaam forbids is "to chose your country over your religion"!!... And since, thats NOT what we are doing here... nobody should be having a problem

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with being a nationalist but that was what I was told by someone here for defending my country (although I do not live there anymore).

Can you please quote me from the Quran or Hadith to support your claim that Islam forbids "to choose your country over your religion"..... On the contrary, I know that the love for your country if a part of your deen.

 

[al-fajr]

Assalamualaykum,

Excuse me!..And with all due respect... whats wrong with being a nationalist?? can you prove that Islaam stops you from loving your country and speaking in defence of it?? No!... I don't think so.... what Islaam forbids is "to chose your country over your religion"!!... And since, thats NOT what we are doing here... nobody should be having a problem

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with being a nationalist but that was what I was told by someone here for defending my country (although I do not live there anymore).

Can you please quote me from the Quran or Hadith to support your claim that Islam forbids "to choose your country over your religion"..... On the contrary, I know that the love for your country if a part of your deen.

Both of you need to provide evidence from the Qur'aan and Sunnah for the opinions you have expressed. So please do so, otherwise, refrain from making such statements, dont just put things in inverted commas, reference them back to the source so we can look them up aswell.

Most of these countries didn't even exist until the last century anyway, Allaah's religion has existed since time began. mali1..are you saying these countries come before ones deen? If I misunderstood what you said then correct me.

Don't bother to answer that sister (as that is a joke). But seriously - what we know about Hitler is what the media has told us repeteadly. Is it fair to make our impression based on what media tells us? I think the same is true for Islam. The negative perception about Islam is because of the negative publicity the media has generated. What do you think our history books (and media) would have said about Hitler if Germany had won the war? Think about it...

Germany wouldnt have won the war, Rockefellers would never have allowed that lol. Point taken about the media, however as with other things you don't have to rely on media as a source of information if you choose not to, to know about Hitler one can read Mein Kampf not just the standard history books or watch the countless films made about him and his life since 1945. To learn about Islaam, you don't watch Geert Wilders, you read the Qur'aan, both are available its about the choices one makes.

 

[Sayyeda]

Islamicthinking

:salam2:

I am not a new member at this site but i was very much saddened by one of our brothers remarks about pakistan.I know there is no concept of nationalism in islam but i always notice one thing that is arabs feel proud of being arabs.so we pakistanis never claim such sort of superiorty but one thing is confirmed that is we are always ready to fight for islam whenever there is a need.if u take examples of war of palestine we fought there,we fought a jihad against russia,a super power of that time just for the cause that it had attacked our neighbour muslim country, and even now we are facing a horrible situation oppressed muslims from all around the world come here like chechniya just to get some help no matter whether it is right or not,our forces served in bosnia and helped muslims there,even when Iraq attacked kuwait our army chief offfered saudi arabia that we can fight there to liberat kuwait and plz do not invite these enemies of isalm to this holy land.u know what is the problem with the muslims that is we are not lacking in neither money nor weapons we just lack leadership and unity,just becoz of this our brothers are dying in palestine kashmir,chechniya and afghanistan.look at Europe and america how they fight unitedly whther it is afghaniztan IRAQ,IRAN and Pakistan.Just one last point whether Iran has vanished without the help of America and Europe that Pakistan will vanish if America and its allies stop their help.I think We would be in a very comfortable position if they leave us,they have come here just to destroy the one and only Islamic nuclear power.and another point that is i dont want to offend any arab brother by my remarks,and saudi arabia always play a part of like an elder helping brother,thats how we say in urdu.

i am not grammatically strong in english,