Explanation of a hadith

[slaveofAllah88]

:salam2:

I was just reading Al-Bukhari and i came across this hadith:

Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 62 :: Hadith 53
Narrated Thabit Al-Banani:

I was with Anas while his daughter was present with him. Anas said, "A woman came to Allah's Apostle and presented herself to him, saying, 'O Allah's Apostle, have you any need for me (i.e. would you like to marry me)?' "Thereupon Anas's daughter said, "What a shameless lady she was ! Shame! Shame!" Anas said, "She was better than you; she had a liking for the Prophet so she presented herself for marriage to him."

Does that mean that if a women show a liking for a man she should present herself for marriage to him or please explain if it this only implied to our beloved Prophet (PBUH); am i getting this wrong , :astag: i hope im not saying anything wrong

thank You brothers and sister

 

[diplomaticmuslim]

hazrat khadija RA also proposed to the prophet pbuh. kids these days have such a weak memory.

having said that, yes under pure islam a woman can present herself for marriage to a man if she wishes to get married and avoid what is forbidden. hang on i'll give the link in a minute

 

[diplomaticmuslim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jIUnyZcOa4

 

[slaveofAllah88]

:salam2:
JazakAllah khair brother for posting the video and answer

But i have a confusion still, How can i women present herself to a guy for marriage, like in the other hadith there was no mention of parents/guardian permission can she present herself even without their permission?

Please elaborate on the hadith and topic
Thank YOU
JazakAllah for ur answer

 

[diplomaticmuslim]

i dont know what is so confusing.

it has been discussed on this site that marriage is encouraged in islam and it is a means of keeping away from fitna and haram activities. if a man or a woman fear they may be falling into haram activities they should get married if they have the means. this is repeated numerous times on the site coupled with the hadith:

Whoever among you is able to marry, should marry, and whoever is not able to marry, is recommended to fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power.

bukhari vol 7 book 62 no 3

its amazing how young people are keen to overlook all the facts in their hurry. hazrat khadija RA also proposed to the prophet pbuh, not the other way around.

its been said again and again that if a woman wishes to keep herself away from sin, there is no harm in her seeking marriage. please use the search engine

 

[diplomaticmuslim]

ahahahahaha son, you act very wierd. hang on i will give you the link in a minute again. in the meantime you were going to leave this site tel me what happened

 

[diplomaticmuslim]

no actually its a bit of a problem at my end. i havent slept all night and am probably gonna hit the sack right now. just let me find the useful link to post here. hang on

 

[slaveofAllah88]

aslam o alikum
im sorry brother if this is weird

Ive been always told that parents need to agree for marriage and now i read a hadith that a women can just give herself for marriage? well what about parents marriage like does another hadith nullify this hadith or whats the truth?

 

[diplomaticmuslim]

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?p=312481#post312481

 

[diplomaticmuslim]

such a bad way to look at things. not every family in the world is like yours. many women dont have parents. some are orphans. some are those whose fathers have passed on. some whose mothers are not alive. some whose parents are causing problems in her marriage. some whose parents want to sell their daughter even if she is a good child. should a woman never get married if she doesnt have parents alive in this world?

you should not judge every muslim by your yardstick.

but do watch out for tricky women who tend to keep two or three boys in their traps. whoever has the best job and highest pay, they seduce that guy and ask him to marry her. these are not the type of women that any man wants to get entangled with.

 

[Hard Rock Moslem]

You can't ask women to marry against their will. I remember this siraah (I heard this one of the talk but did not find any reference after that) when Ali (May Allah be pleased with him) came to propose for Fatima (may Allah be pleased with her) but he dare not to ask though he was infront of the Prophet (Allah's peace and blessing be upon him). But the Prophet (Allah's peace and blessing be upon him) already knew Ali's intention and the Prophet (Allah's peace and blessing be upon him) called upon Fatima (may Allah be pleased with her) and ask whether she would agree to the proposal...upon which...according to the sheikh given the talk...Fatima (may Allah be pleased with her) apparently said "when did I say no to you, O my father". Something like that. Sorry, let me find and let you know for the reference (if I can find). If any brother and sister if you have read the siraah pls let me know the reference, to make things easy.

 

[slaveofAllah88]

thank you brother
Maybe someone else knowledgable can also elaborate on the topic
Jazakallah for ur response thou

 

[slaveofAllah88]

anyone else with knowledge?

 

[a_muslimah86]

For a woman to present herself to a man does NOT mean disregarding the condition of *the approval AND presence of a Wali* for marriage...when a man sees a *pious or devout* Muslim man whom she feels will protect her..take care of her..and help her with her deen then by all means she may let her interest known in a virtuous and honorable manner...meaning...she cannot go (ao'otho billah) flirt with the man and show him her zeena or talk to him openly in a way which causes a fitnah for him..she will need to be mindful of her haya'a and be very direct and to the point in what she asks

The woman can either ask the man directly or have someone speak to him of the issue (which is what happened with Sayidatina Khadeeja (raa) for example..she sent her servant to Rasulullah..and you most likely know the rest of the story)..so it depends on the individual situation and on the comfort level of the woman..AND..let's not forget something the condition of the woman if she's a *thayyib* or a *bikr* or if she is *yatima* and such

If agreement is made..then the permission of the woman's Wali is STILL a must..because it is one of the conditions which marriage..if it's not present..then the marriage is *invalid*

If we were living in a perfect Islamic society with men carrying within them sound Islamic characters and manners..I assure you this would not have been a "strange" issue to hear/read/see..it would have happened *a lot*...but *in our current times*..if a woman goes to a man and tells him *I want to marry you because you are a good man* or even if she sends someone to him saying that..he will think *lightly* of her and if people hear about it..then they will all GASP and practically DROP DEAD with astonshiment..and the poor woman is either is backbitten for her ILL-MANNERS and LACK OF HAYA'A..is SLANDERED or excommunicated

 

[Hard Rock Moslem]

That's right sister Muslimah. I don't see anything wrong a pious muslimah proposing a pious muslim guy...nothing wrong at all. Usually ladies are shy persons so they can ask someone else to start the talk...nothing wrong. Maybe someone can provide fatwa on this inshAllah...to keep our brother Shaheer more convinced.

 

[slaveofAllah88]

That's right sister Muslimah. I don't see anything wrong a pious muslimah proposing a pious muslim guy...nothing wrong at all. Usually ladies are shy persons so they can ask someone else to start the talk...nothing wrong. Maybe someone can provide fatwa on this inshAllah...to keep our brother Shaheer more convinced.

:salam2:
JazakAllah khair sister muslimah very wonderful answer indeed like always Mashallah,
Man if we only lived in the perfect islamic society this so called stressed wouldn't even exist , in many situations the childrens dont follow islam and alot of times parents dont
Sorry to say the bad part is Well from what i know is many times kids suffer in many situations especially marriage cuz the parents are really stubborn and the kids have to give in im sorry thats wat i have seen around me

I wish everyone knew about the real islam cuz it provide perfect guidelines

and brother Hard Rock Muslim i dont need a fatwa why would i need a fatwa i got a hadith, and sister muslimah just explained the hadith
JazakAllah khair brothers and siters

 

[Hard Rock Moslem]

Hi Brothers and Sisters,

A woman offering herself without her parents approval is just not the proper way. .

Brother, the issue here can a woman offer herself to a man? Read sirah you will know many pious women offer themselves to the Prophet (Allah's peace and blessings be upon him), I found no sahih hadith said that The Prophet mentioned it is wrong for them to offer themselves. We are not questioning whether parents approval needed or not, this is broad issue. The Prophet (Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) did asked Fatima (May Allah be merciful with her) before agreeing to marrying her with Ali (May Allah be pleased with him). Parents approval at one side, the one that going to commit her life must be consulted also.

Anyone using Hadith to practice religion is committing a sin (Quran 6:114). Please brothers don't argue this point with me, I don't have to prove to you the Quran. It's there go and read it. Peace..

Now this is interesting. Astafirullah. You have just invited us to ask you questions.

Holy Qur'an, 6.114
114. [Say (O Muhammad)] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Quran), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Torah and the Gospel] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt.

I appended above the particular verse from the Qur'an you quoted. Which ayat does it say practice religion with hadith is a sin?


Holy Qur'an, 33:33-34:

33. And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform the prayer, and give Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove evil deeds from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet), and to purify you with a thorough purification.

34. And remember (O you the members of the Prophet's family, the Graces of your Lord), that which is recited in your houses of the Verses of Allah and the Wisdom (of Prophethood). Verily, Allah is Ever Most Courteous, Well*!Acquainted with all things.

I want to us, without referring and be guided with hadith, when and how are you going to perform your salat?

Holy Qur'an, 39:33
And he (Muhammad) who has brought the truth (this Quran and Islamic Monotheism) and (those who) believed therein (i.e. the true believers of Islamic Monotheism), those are pious.

We all are still learning here, including you dear brother and me, we are not scholar. Therefore, I stand to be corrected if I was wronged myself. Pls take no offence.

 

[Hard Rock Moslem]

Selam Brother,

I dont have much time left at work, so I will reply with further detail tomorrow..

Take your time. I don't mind waiting.

I see you mentioned the sura of Ehlulbayt. Ofcourse our prophet was in the days best of judges among all others, and his family helped with the quranic law after him. However he left us the Quran to help us judge today.

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To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed...

Have your referred to the full tafseer for the above ayat?

I don't like showing examples from hadith but I recently ran into this one below.

(The Prophet's (peace and blessings be upon him) order: "Do not take down anything from me, and he who took down anything from me except the Qur'an, he should efface that." (Narrated by Abu Said al-Khudri. Collected by Muslim No. 7147).).

You don't believe in Hadith but only Qur'an, why do you quote Hadith to support your argument?

The Quran also states that Muhammed(Peace be upon him) was only a messenger whos only duty to us was the message(quran) will find the verse tomorrow for you. There is even a sura in the Quran which our prophet forbidded something to his wife which God did not. But Allah did forgive him. I will also find this for you tomorrow..

Do let me know the proof.

What is the role and duties of a Messenger of Allah? Just pass on a message then go? What is Nabi and what is Rasool? As messenger, His duty not only to pass on to us the message but show us the way: He (Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) also taught us about faith, aqidah, tawheed, prays, fasting, eating, drinking, matrimonial issues, jihad etc which most of it you can only find it in the al-Hadith.

I've read through the Quran many times, and for years I was confused about Islam sects/hadiths etc. But now I only believe in the one book(Quran), .

I'm sorry to say this I think you have just lost it (hopefully I'm wrong). You have not fully discovered what they are in the Holy Qur'an. I suggest you get a good sheikh to guide you on this. Believing only in Qur'an alone and rejecting al-Hadith is also a sect, deviant sect.

I feel like I rediscovered Islam again. To me Allah is perfect and will not leave out anything from the Quran which we should know about..

Al-Israa', 17:78
78. Perform the prayer from mid-day till the darkness of the night (i.e. the Zuhr, 'Asr, Maghrib, and 'Isha' prayers), and recite the Quran in the early dawn (i.e. the morning prayer). Verily, the recitation of the Quran in the early dawn is ever witnessed (attended by the angels in charge of humankind of the day and the night).

You did not answer my question earlier so I ask again.

The above ayat is about salat. Based the Holy Qur'an, we muslim are required to pray 5 times daily, day and night. I'm asking you the same question again, just based on Qur'an, since you only refer to Qur'an, when do you perform each salat?

 

[a_muslimah86]

Selam Brother,

I dont have much time left at work, so I will reply with further detail tomorrow.

I see you mentioned the sura of Ehlulbayt. Ofcourse our prophet was in the days best of judges among all others, and his family helped with the quranic law after him. However he left us the Quran to help us judge today.

005.048
To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed...

I don't like showing examples from hadith but I recently ran into this one below.

(The Prophet's (peace and blessings be upon him) order: "Do not take down anything from me, and he who took down anything from me except the Qur'an, he should efface that." (Narrated by Abu Said al-Khudri. Collected by Muslim No. 7147).)

The Quran also states that Muhammed(Peace be upon him) was only a messenger whos only duty to us was the message(quran) will find the verse tomorrow for you. There is even a sura in the Quran which our prophet forbidded something to his wife which God did not. But Allah did forgive him. I will also find this for you tomorrow.

I've read through the Quran many times, and for years I was confused about Islam sects/hadiths etc. But now I only believe in the one book(Quran), I feel like I rediscovered Islam again. To me Allah is perfect and will not leave out anything from the Quran which we should know about.

Anyway will be back tomorrow. Peace brothers and sisters.

Interesting..there's a sura in the Qura'an called "Ehlulbait?"...that's certainly NEWS to 1.5 Billion Muslims out there!...

Could this be Mus'haf Fatima that some twisted minded..deviated..transgressors DARE to speak of???...and what Islam did you find out which eliminates the other half of your deen???...if anything you left a religion to *A CULT*

Let me tell you something and I will be VERY BLUNT...

This site..TTI...is based upon the teachings of AHLUL SUNNAH WAL JAMA'A THROUGH ASSALAF ASSALIH

The ideas you're trying to disperse are not going to find room here..

By the way...it seems that members of your cult are stuck on the same argument..like you've all been made to memorize a number of verses and examples WHICH ARE NOT EVEN LIKE YOU UNDERSTAND THEM..and use them in every single little argument you have..so I totally know which examples and which verses and even HADITHS you're going to bring to try to prove yourself to us..and by post number *11* you'll realize you have nothing to bring forth..so you'll disappear..never to show up around here again like many before you!

I think it's so rude of you to hijack a thread of a brother apparently using a hadith with sincerity to figure out its exact context..to share your faulty cult-beliefs..you have even misunderstood the ACTUAL topic in the thread..so this just makes it worst!

Ao'otho billah from what you said...and May Allah (swt) Wills for you what He sees best!

 

[Hard Rock Moslem]

Interesting..there's a sura in the Qura'an called [COLOR=Red[COLOR="Red"]]"Ehlulbait?"[/COLOR][/COLOR]...that's certainly NEWS to 1.5 Billion Muslims out there!...

I missed this point because so focus on other part. You are right there is no such surah in the Qur'an.

?...if anything you left a religion to *A CULT*

That's the right word.