Need help with Hadith & Qur'an verses

[DanyalSAC]

Asalaamu alaikum...

Ok if you all remember the "I'm too strict" thread I started last week?

Well I need some help.

I need some hadith or Qur'an verses that say that women shouldn't dress like men (ie wear pants) or wear tightly revealing clothing, and I need some unquestionable hadith about why MUSIC is haram. This individual seems to think that as a new Muslim I'm being lead astray but "fundamentalist" thinking.

If you folks remember my long story about my life before I became Muslim then you would understand when I say that I must be strict - not only on myself but on those around me. If I am lenient or let slide some things then I will find myself backsliding into a haram lifestyle. I can't pick and choose what to shrug off and what to adhere to.

I would go to my Imam about all this but he's on Hajj (may Allah accept it!).

JazakAllah Khairn

D.

 

[rightpath_357]

Bro- let me help you with this. Here are 2 types of music- the nasheeds, and the cr** people listen to nawadays. Nasheeds came in Prophet Dawds time. Nasheeds have NO added sound, just the voice, and the lyrics have to be pure, with good, appropriate words.

SONGS- were taught by shaytan. He tricked people into making/listening to it because he said it was a form of NASHEEDS. it is NOT!

We will get punished if we listen to music, because it attracts shaytan. For example, once (when I didn't know that we werent supposed to listen to music) I got into a fight and got angry and depressed. I went into my room- stuck the earphones into my ears- and flicked on my MP3. After a little while- I thought it would calm me down. it didn't. It made me replay what happened again, and again. I got angrier and MORE depressed. I was so angry it was venomous. So I held the grudge- when I could have easily shaken it off. Why? Because I listened to music, and shaytan got to hold me in place. AstagfirAllah. Proof enough?

Also, lots of music - all of it talks about dancing, swearing, love , romace, sex, etc. AstagfirAllah. Listen to nasheeds ALL you like, but DON'T switch to music!

 

[DanyalSAC]

Never mind... I've googled and came up with several and it seems several contradict each other. For example we have this one:

"Hazrath Anas (R.A.) reports that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: “There will certainly be people from my Ummah who will attempt to legalize fornication, the wearing of silk (for males), the consuming of wine and the use of musical instruments” (Al-Jaamius Sagheer - Pg. 139). "

And for that, there's another website that says:

"In supporting their view, they cite the hadith narrated by Imam Al-Bukhari on the authority of Abu Malik or Abu `Amir Al-Ash`ari (doubt from the sub-narrator) that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, 'From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk (clothes), the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.' Although this hadith is in Sahih Al-Bukhari, its chain of transmission is not connected to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and this invalidates its authenticity. Ibn Hazm rejects it for that very reason. Moreover, the sub-narrator, Hisham Ibn `Ammar is declared ‘weak' by many scholars of the Science of Hadith Methodology. "

I found other stuff about women wearing pants...

 

[azmirush]

:salam2:

Mind sharing with me about women wearing pants?

 

[arzafar]

actually, music instruments are haram. there is no doubt about. i used to be a music lover and i have researched this topic in depth.
if you want to listen to music then listen to the birds singing, water falling and other natural sounds. this kind of music brings a calming experience.
there are plenty of wrongs related to music.

1) provoking desire, violence
2) keeping away from Allah's remeberance
3) sowing hypocrisy. if you listen to the lyrics they say things like
I'll be your dream
I'll be your wish
I'll be your fantasy.
I'll be your hope
I'll be your love
Be everything that you need.
I love you more with every breath
Truly madly deeply do..

Even though it looks all innocent and good, the singer is obviously lying!!!

music is haram and there are no two opinions on that.

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/5000/is music haraam

 

[hana*]

Asalaamu alaikum...

Ok if you all remember the "I'm too strict" thread I started last week?

Well I need some help.

I need some hadith or Qur'an verses that say that women shouldn't dress like men (ie wear pants) or wear tightly revealing clothing, and I need some unquestionable hadith about why MUSIC is haram. This individual seems to think that as a new Muslim I'm being lead astray but "fundamentalist" thinking.

If you folks remember my long story about my life before I became Muslim then you would understand when I say that I must be strict - not only on myself but on those around me. If I am lenient or let slide some things then I will find myself backsliding into a haram lifestyle. I can't pick and choose what to shrug off and what to adhere to.
I would go to my Imam about all this but he's on Hajj (may Allah accept it!).

JazakAllah Khairn

D.

mashaAllah, what a strong muslim, people like you put 'born muslims' to shame.
i wonder how many of us think like that and how many of us pick and chose what suits us in islam. you are absolutley correct about women wearing trousers a.k.a pants and there is a hadeeth to mention that cursed are woman who dress like men (sorry dont quote me on it but im 100% sure of that hadeeth). alhamdulilah i stoped wearing trousers seven years ago. if you are looking for reference to women not wearing tight clothes it can be found in both surah ahzab and surah noor.

on the question of 'fundamentalist' i stop here and say; what exactly is a fundamentalist? it is somebody who follows all the fundamentals i.e in this case, of islam, so by following all the rules of islam you would be a 'fundamentalist', in that case i would be proud of that.

 

[hana*]

this is some evidence to state the prohibition of music, ive only put part of the document as i think it might be too long a read:



Evidence of prohibition in the Qur’an and Sunnah:
Allah says in Surah Luqman (interpretation of the meaning):
“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing)
to mislead (men) from the path of Allah…”
[Luqmaan 31:6]
The scholar of the ummah, Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: this
means singing. Mujaahid (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the
drum (tabl). (Tafseer al-Tabari, 21/40).
Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allah have mercy on him) said: This ayah was revealed
concerning singing and musical instruments. (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/451).
Al-Sa’di (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this includes all manner of haraam
speech, all idle talk and falsehood, and all nonsense that encourages kufr and
disobedience; the words of those who say things to refute the truth and argue in support
of falsehood to defeat the truth; and backbiting, slander, lies, insults and curses; the
singing and musical instruments of the Shaytaan; and musical instruments which are of
no spiritual or worldly benefit. (Tafseer al-Sa’di, 6/150)
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The interpretation of the Sahaabah
and Taabi’in, that ‘idle talk’ refers to singing, is sufficient. This was reported with saheeh
isnaads from Ibn ‘Abbaas and Ibn Mas’ood. Abu’l-Sahbaa’ said: I asked Ibn Mas’ood
about the ayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘“And of mankind is he who purchases
idle talks’ [Luqmaan 31:6]. He said: By Allah, besides Whom there is no other god, this
means singing – and he repeated it three times.
It was also reported with a saheeh isnaad from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with
them both) that this means singing. There is no contradiction between the interpretation
of “idle talk” as meaning singing.

 

[hana*]

here is more evidence:

Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace
and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “In this ummah there will be punishments of
earthquakes, showers of stones and deformity (transformation into animals); that will be
when the people drink khamr, listen to female singers and play musical instruments.”
(See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 2203; attributed to Ibn Abi’l-Dunyaa, Dhamm al-Malaahi;
the hadeeth was narrated by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2212).

in regards to women wearing tight clothes:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that
these kinds of clothes would appear among the women of the last times, as was reported
in the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him): "There are two types of the people of Hell that I have not seen: people who have whips like the tails of cattle, with which they strike the people; and women who are dressed but naked,
walking with an enticing gait, with their hair looking like the humps of camels, leaning sideways. They will not enter Paradise or even smell its fragrance, although its fragrance can be detected from such-and-such a distance." (Reported by Muslim, 3/1680). Also included in this type of clothes are the garments worn by some women which have long
slits from the hem, or pieces cut out here and there; when the wearer sits down, her 'awrah (i.e., everything except the face and hands) becomes visible, apart from the fact that by wearing such clothes a woman is resembling the kuffaar and following their
fashions and trends of revealing clothes. We ask Allaah to keep us safe from all that.

 

[DanyalSAC]

The first one is in reference to tight clothing. The rest are in reference to pants ("imitating men").


“The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) gave me a thick Egyptian garment that was one of the gifts given to him by Duhyat al-Kalbi, and I gave it to my wife to wear. He said, ‘Why do I not see you wearing that Egyptian garment?’ I said, ‘I gave it to my wife to wear.’ He said, ‘Tell her to wear a gown underneath it, for I am afraid that it may describe the size of her bones.’” (Narrated by al-Diyaa’ al-Maqdisi in al-Ahaadeeth al-Mukhtaarah, 1/442, and by Ahmad and al-Bayhaqi, with a hasan isnaad).



Abu Dawood said, in Masaa’il al-Imaam Ahmad (p. 261): “I heard Ahmad being asked about a man who dresses his slave woman in a tunic. He said, ‘Do not clothe her in men’s garments, do not make her look like a man.” Abu Dawood said: “I said to Ahmad, Can he give her bachelor sandals to wear? He said, No, unless she wears them to do wudoo’. I said, What about for beauty? He said, No. I said, Can he cut her hair short? He said, No.”



Ibn Abi Maleekah – whose name was ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Ubayd-Allaah – said: “It was said to ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), ‘What if a woman wears (men’s) sandals?’ She said: ‘The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed women who act like men.’”



Abu Hurayrah said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the man who wears women’s clothes, and the woman who wears men’s clothes.”



‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘They are not part of us, the women who imitate men and the men who imitate women.’”



Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed effeminate men and masculine women. He said, ‘Throw them out of your houses.’” He said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) expelled So and so, and ‘Umar expelled So and so.” According to another version: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed men who imitate women and women who imitate men.”

Allahu Alim.

 

[hana*]

i do not agree with youre post ayman, these are mufasireen of the quran, who know more than us have you studies tafseer?

 

[hana*]

sorry i had a typo in the last post, i meant to type have you studied tafseer?

i think the original post refers to modern mainstream music and not music such as nasheeds etc

i wanted to ask, how is tirmidhi not authentic, as you said in you're post?

 

[DanyalSAC]

And this, brothers and sisters, is to me (personally) a fitnah and therefore I choose the side of caution.

Allahu alim.

 

[Mabsoot]

Assalamu alaykum

I am closing this thread, For time being.